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Infrastructure Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 3 July 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1-3 and Schedules 1-2 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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754 cc327-386GC 
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Infrastructure Bill (HL) 2014-15
Thursday, 5 June 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee second report.
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1020
Tuesday, 8 July 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1041
Monday, 21 July 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Bichard | 754 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, welcome to the Grand Committee on the Infrastructure Bill.

Clause 1: Appointment ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out “one or more co...


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Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc327-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we start on quite a fundamental point, on which even the Minister on occasions has not ...

Lord Berkeley | 754 cc328-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment because there are already precedents for having a...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc329-330GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, said, I have emphasised before that we have n...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc330-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot pretend that the second version is any better than the first as regards convin...

Lord Whitty | 754 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, leave out subsections (3) and (4) ...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Minister and the Committee that I was not here for the previous bit;...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

I support my noble friend’s amendment. I am glad that he is here, because I am not sure that any ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I imagine that the Minister will have little difficulty in responding to this amendment...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will indeed enjoy responding to this amendment. It would seem from the speeches I hav...

Lord Whitty | 754 c333GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, my Lords, I am not totally convinced by the Minister and I suspect that casual readers of t...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc333-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at Second Reading the Government failed to provide a convincing case for why the strate...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 754 c335GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret that I was not able to speak at Second Reading, owing to other commitments. I ...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc335-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the proposal that Clause 1 should not stand part of the Bill, as it queries w...

Lord Berkeley | 754 cc336-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would just like to ask the Minister where this figure of a £2.6 billion saving comes ...

Lord Teverson | 754 cc337-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I should declare an interest in that I, too, am a regular user of the A303. Whe...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may just respond to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, let me say that I, too, congratulate the ...

Baroness Maddock | 754 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as in the register, although I do not think that any of them hav...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc338-341GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will start by referring to two roads. First, the A303 is part of a feasibility study,...

Lord Bradshaw | 754 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister made reference to the Swedish experience of financing roads. I have been involved wi...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will provide my noble friend with more detail in writing. We have provided one letter...

Lord Whitty | 754 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

4: Schedule 1, page 31, line 35, at end insert—

“( ) The S...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc340-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Schedule 1 is 26 pages long. It is devoted almost entirely to inserting in the Highways...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend in his Amendment 4, and I shall speak to the other amendments...

Lord Bradshaw | 754 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

The amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, with which I agree, mentions “speed control s...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, my Lords, that is a bumper that whistled past the Minster’s ears. It is an interesting litt...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc344-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships have raised a number of important issues around the powers that are tran...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I was engaged on the Floor of the House for the first part of the Comm...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, manufacturing, so I may have missed this. The trouble as one gets older is that one forgets ...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc346-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, for that addition to the discussion. What was published last...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for that reply. I will read very carefully what she has said in ...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

If your Lordships want to look at the document more immediately, it is attached to the Bill on th...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 cc347-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just retired as president of the Parliamentary and Scientific Committee. At an a...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c348GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me just make a final response to that. There was a WMS when the documents were published, so ...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c348GC (Link to this contribution)

There was a Written Ministerial Statement when the documents were published, so I hope that some ...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc348-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, many of us probably share some of the frustrations of the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, as t...

Lord Whitty | 754 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

9: Clause 2, page 2, line 8, leave out from “must” to end of lin...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc349-350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry, but this is something else that I think should be in the Bill. It does sort...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendments, and shall speak to the two amendments in my nam...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc351-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I begin, I have now had confirmation that the documents that we have been discus...

Lord Whitty | 754 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for missing my cue. The department needs to think a little about how this i...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not give notice of my intention to oppose the question that Clause 2 stand part o...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry if I was out of order. The point has been made that the Bill incorporates, amends and ...

Lord Bates | 754 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

Normally the convention is that when a noble Lord wants to speak to a particular clause stand par...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to attempt to respond to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, on this point. To try to wo...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely accept my noble friend’s explanation on this. It obviously very much depends...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

13: Before Clause 3, insert the following new Clause—

“D...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to some extent Amendment 13 follows on from my noble friend Lord Whitty’s Amendment 4 o...

Lord Bradshaw | 754 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, has said, but will add something. You can argue ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 754 c355GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, about cross-modal being a...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc355-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 40 in this group on precisely the subject of the duty to co-ope...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc356-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to reinforce the points that have already been made in terms of some definitions...

Baroness Whitaker | 754 c357GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in supporting Amendment 15, first, I apologise for not being able to speak at Second Re...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again we have a wide range of amendments. It is fair to say that it is vital that the s...

Lord Berkeley | 754 cc359-360GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate and to the Minister for her r...

Lord Whitty | 754 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

14: Clause 3, page 2, line 34, at end insert “and at least every...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc360-2GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come on to the strategy and, by implication, the money. The Government have commendably sa...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 cc362-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is my impression that this road investment strategy, and the commitments made to it ...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c363GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in discussing the strategies and the length of time, my Amendments 23 and 24 go into mo...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc364-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank your Lordships. These amendments are fairly well honed around a question to the Governmen...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc365-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that, and I thank other contributors. It is clear that the wor...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c366GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not want this point to go unchallenged. I say to the noble Lord that I think the industry ha...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 c366GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might add to that before the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, resumes. I have in front of me th...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc366-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is very realistic; nevertheless, the way that it has described the situation is mo...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c367GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

17: Clause 3, page 3, line 2, at end insert—

“( ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c368GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in great danger of running into the same brick wall of a government response as my...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 754 cc368-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to put a question to the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, about his amendment. I b...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc369-370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, through these amendments, the noble Lord, Lord Davies, and others seek to ensure that t...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc370-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will back off from my amendment in relation to local authorities out of deference to ...

Lord Whitty | 754 c371GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

18: Clause 3, page 3, line 6, at end insert—

“( ) The acti...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc371-3GC (Link to this contribution)

All the amendments in this group are mine. This relates to exactly the sort of thing that my nobl...

Lord Berkeley | 754 cc373-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend. He has raised some very interesting challenges. I do not thi...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be very brief. I fully endorse the statements made by my noble friend Lord Whitty...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc375-6GC (Link to this contribution)

This set of amendments seeks to make the road investment strategy cover several specific areas, i...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness mentioned the performance specification. Giving something like the Highways Ag...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

All I can say to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, on this, is that we have certainly moved on from ...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc376-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am exceptionally disappointed by that reply, because it did not address the issue. I ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c377GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

20: Clause 3, page 3, line 8, at end insert—

“( ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc377-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 20 and 21 in my name are designed to encourage proper scrutiny of the road i...

Lord Whitty | 754 c378GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have an amendment in this group. I agree entirely with my noble friend Lord Davies on...

Lord Berkeley | 754 cc378-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two amendments in this group. Amendment 26 is more about who should be consulted...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c379GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we explained in the RIS explanatory document, Setting the Road Investment Strategy—a...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c379GC (Link to this contribution)

The first strategy is put before Parliament but presumably the Secretary of State consults all th...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c380GC (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State and others are very heavily engaged with stakeholders. That is the way in ...

Lord Berkeley | 754 c380GC (Link to this contribution)

I will press the Minister once more. I see nothing in part 1 of Schedule 2 that says that the Sec...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc380-1GC (Link to this contribution)

The point that underpins all this is that Ministers, rather than Parliament, have traditionally m...

Lord Whitty | 754 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

Just for clarification, when I wrote the amendment I meant Part 1, but I am afraid that I spoke a...

Baroness Kramer | 754 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the noble Lord’s comments. We feel that there is a substantial mechanism for engagem...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is my duty to withdraw my amendment. However, the Minister seems to suggest that the...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davies of Oldham

25: Schedule 2, page 57, line 26, after “objectives,” ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 cc381-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there currently appears to be a gap in the Government’s draft licence for the strategic...

Viscount Hanworth | 754 cc382-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in lending my support to my noble friend Lord Davies, I speak to my Amendment 39. It pr...

Lord Bradshaw | 754 cc383-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall add some comments to those just made by the noble Viscount, Lord Hanworth. The Government...

Lord Whitty | 754 cc384-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have slipped an amendment into this group as well. In a sense, it deals with the same...

Lord Bradshaw | 754 c385GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall build on what the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, has just said. Earlier in the week, noble Lord...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 754 c385GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, in what he says. The Treasury has been rigid in ...

Baroness Kramer | 754 cc385-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to be quite quick to be sure that I finish before rising time, so these will be ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 754 c386GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this was a probing amendment and it certainly hit its target. Let us be conscious, cert...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 754 c386GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think this might be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

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