Parliamentary search - Local Audit and Accountability Bill [HL]

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Local Audit and Accountability Bill (HL) 2013-14. As amended in Grand Committee.
Wednesday, 26 June 2013
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c549 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

1*: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert “in part...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc549-550 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving the amendment, I will speak to the other amendments in this group as well. As...

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Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 cc550-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee, my noble friend said that the Government would commit to amend the legisl...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc551-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, for introducing the amendments so succinctly and...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply and the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, for his contributio...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make it clear that it is the Government’s intention to see that the proposed ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I thank the Minister for that. Indeed, I was tempted to press this amendment but...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c553 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

2*: Clause 1, page 2, line 4, at end insert—

“(...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc553-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 3. The more we delve into this Bill, the clearer it beco...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 cc554-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of Amendments 2 and 6 is clearly to try to improve the transitional arrange...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc555-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Palmer for bringing some rationality into this particular ...

Lord Christopher | 747 c558 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, will she kindly explain a point on which I am very...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c558 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the current contracts are due to last until 2017, and there will then be an interim arr...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc558-9 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I am grateful to the Minister for her response and to the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, for his...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c559 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I may need to write to the noble Lord on the detail of this. However, our understanding...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c559 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that but perhaps it is time we stretched our legs. I beg leave ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c559 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

4: Clause 2, page 2, line 26, at end insert—

“(...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c559 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a rerun of the amendment we moved in Committee concerning hybridity. It was pro...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 c559 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches we also look forward to the Minister giving that information. Althou...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c563 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord said, I was sympathetic about his amendment in Committee. It would en...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c563 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that commitment which is very clear. I would still prefer to se...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c563 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

5: Clause 4, page 3, line 26, leave out “by that auth...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc563-4 (Link to this contribution)

This is a return, briefly I expect, to a drafting point. Under Clause 4 there is a requirement th...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 c564 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would also welcome the Minister clarifying some issues, particularly if there is, ind...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc564-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I confirm that it is possible to introduce different parts of the Bill at differ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c565 (Link to this contribution)

I missed the Minister’s first point. Would she mind repeating the beginning of that sentence?

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Baroness Hanham | 747 c565 (Link to this contribution)

It is our intention to make arrangements to enable us to do this under the powers in the Bill. Ou...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c565 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply and the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, for his contribution. I say t...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 c565 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, sits down, I will just comment on the point about the appoi...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c565 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord makes an interesting point but my understanding is that the contracts fo...

Lord Geddes | 747 c566 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before calling Amendment 6, I should point out that there is a mistake on the Marshalle...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c566 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hanham

7: Clause 7, page 6, line 7, after “jointly” insert “in rela...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c566 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 7, I will also speak to Amendment 8, which between them make small ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c566 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, obviously we are content with these amendments, and I thank the noble Baroness for taki...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c567 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hanham

8: Clause 7, page 6, line 8, leave out “accounts, or” and in...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c567 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

10: Schedule 4, page 41, line 3, at end insert—

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc567-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of the amendment is to test the scope of the term “independence”, although ...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 c568 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment of the noble Lords, Lord McKenzie and Lord Beecham, says that an individu...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c569 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend and the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, raised several issues, seeking clari...

Baroness Eaton | 747 c569 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister give a bit more information about the process of selection for independence? Tha...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc569-570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, local authorities have due process already, as the noble Baroness knows, on how to appo...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc570-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. The noble Lord, Lord Palmer, criticised the drafting of the a...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c571 (Link to this contribution)

Although I do not think that I mentioned sub-committees, I think that I made it clear that where ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c571 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for that and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Hanham | 747 c571 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hanham

11: Schedule 5, page 50, line 8, leave out “and” and insert—...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c571 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 11 is necessary following a recent amendment to the Companies Act 2006 made b...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c572 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are perfectly happy with this amendment.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 c572 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Saltaire

12: Clause 19, page 13, line 9, after “accounts,” i...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 cc572-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments deals with amending the scope of the auditors’ work. Amendment...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc573-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for introducing these amendments. We are happy wi...

Archbishop of York | 747 c574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on Amendment 12, if the statement is true, are not the words “fair view” fatuous? Could...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 cc574-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unfortunately in accountancy there is a certain jargon. “True and fair view” is jargon ...

Archbishop of York | 747 c575 (Link to this contribution)

Does not the noble Lord think that a legislature is entitled not purely to accept jargon, however...

Lord James of Blackheath | 747 c575 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my attempts to help in this House usually end up in worse confusion, but let me try. I ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 cc575-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been sitting reflecting on the Psalms which are read to us in that wonderful tra...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 c576 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Wallace of Saltaire

13: Clause 20, page 13, line 37, leave out “health ...

Lord Wills | 747 c576 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wills

18: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—

“Audi...

Lord Wills | 747 cc577-580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, both amendments aim to improve transparency in the new arrangements for local governmen...

Lord Shipley | 747 c579 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House of my vice-presidency of the Local Government Association. I was una...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 747 cc579-581 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very interesting amendment. I just wanted to add one other perspective. Any l...

Earl of Lytton | 747 c581 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some knowledge of procurement issues. I, too, declare my interest as a vice-pres...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c582 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are sympathetic to my noble friend’s amendments and supportive of the intention behi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 cc582-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been quite a wide-ranging debate and I recognise the importance of the issue t...

Lord Wills | 747 cc583-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has contributed to what has been a valuable debate and fr...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 c584 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Wallace of Saltaire

19: Schedule 7, page 60, line 13, leave out “before...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 cc584-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment makes a small change to paragraph 1 of Schedule 7. It slightly changes t...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c585 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendment 20 in this group. Obviously, we support the government amendment beca...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c585 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

22: Schedule 9, page 74, line 1, at end insert—

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc585-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this, too, is a re-run of the amendment moved in Committee, which we consider is unreso...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 cc586-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by informing the House that, following careful consideration of all options, th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c587 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must express some disappointment with the Minister’s response. I am grateful for the ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 c588 (Link to this contribution)

The Cabinet Office is looking at the issue of fraud and error in government as a whole in a wider...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c588 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that further explanation. I take the point that this will not just be left lyin...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 747 c588 (Link to this contribution)

I note the noble Lord’s preference for belt and braces. I have some doubts about how many pieces ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c589 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that. I recognise that the Minister sees this as extremely poor, as, indeed, do...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c589 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hanham

24: Clause 38, page 23, line 37, leave out “a local authorit...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc589-590 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in June, the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee published its report on t...

Lord Beecham | 747 cc590-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are now coming to that part of the Bill that reflects several of the obsessions of t...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc591-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord knows, on the code of conduct, as regards publicity, and in general, ...

Lord Tope | 747 c592 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tope

25: Clause 38, page 23, leave out line 38 and insert “where the Se...

Lord Tope | 747 cc592-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 28, 30, 33, 35, 36 and 37. Before doing so, I must, fo...

Earl of Lytton | 747 c595 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I willingly gave my name to the amendments in this group. Like the noble Lord, Lord Top...

Lord Beecham | 747 cc595-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I listened to the noble Lord, Lord Tope, moving his amendment—which, given an opport...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc596-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am probably in danger of saying the same thing three times as there is no doubt that ...

Lord Tope | 747 cc599-600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, for clearly supporting my amendments and ...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c600 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hanham

26: Clause 38, page 23, line 38, at end insert “or those aut...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hanham

29: Clause 38, page 24, line 11, leave out from “a” to end o...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hanham

31: Clause 38, page 24, line 20, leave out from “it” to end ...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hanham

34: Clause 38, page 24, line 30, leave out from “section” to...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hanham

38: Clause 38, page 24, line 44, at end insert—

“4B Po...

Lord Beecham | 747 c601 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

40: Clause 38, page 24, line 46, at end insert—

“(3) In s...

Lord Beecham | 747 cc601-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment stems from concerns raised at a meeting of the all-party group inquiry i...

Baroness Hanham | 747 c602 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to confirm what I have written to the noble Lord and I will read it out. The publicity...

Lord Beecham | 747 c602 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I am, and I repeat my thanks to the Minister for making the position clear. Now it is on ...

Lord Beecham | 747 c602 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Beecham

41: Clause 38, leave out Clause 38

Lord Beecham | 747 cc602-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the parallel universe occupied by the Secretary of State, Pulitzer prize-style munic...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc604-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the trouble with clause stand part debates is that they tend to come after everything e...

Lord Beecham | 747 cc605-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply, of course, but I simply do not recognise the world she descri...

Lord Beecham | 747 c606 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Beecham

42: Clause 39, page 26, line 14, leave out subsection (15)

Lord Beecham | 747 cc606-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment refers to the Government’s proposal—which, again, was not subjected to s...

Lord Shipley | 747 cc607-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 43, and will be brief. I agree with the noble Lord, Lor...

Earl of Lytton | 747 c608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since my name is to Amendment 43, I would like to voice my support for the point that h...

Baroness Hanham | 747 cc608-610 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 42 and 43 would remove subsections (15) and (16) from Clause 39. Amendment 4...

Lord Beecham | 747 c611 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it comes to this, it seems to me: you have a system which takes no account of levies, y...

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