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Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill

Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 under consdieration. (Part 2 of 2).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
746 cc95-130 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 21 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1112
Tuesday, 2 July 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Martin of Springburn | 746 c95 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Martin of Springburn

6: Clause 1, page 2, line 3, at end insert—

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Lord Martin of Springburn | 746 cc96-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note that the noble Lord, Lord Morrow, is not here but I understand that the amendmen...


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Lord Alli | 746 c97 (Link to this contribution)

By adding a new layer to the process the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Morrow, ha...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 746 c98 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate that this is a probing amendment, but it has thrown up some interesting qu...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Martin of Springburn, for giving us an opportunit...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 746 c100 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord. That clarifies the matter. So once again the papers have got ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 c100 (Link to this contribution)

The position is as I understand the noble Lord to have described it: to my knowledge and that of ...

Lord Dear | 746 c100 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dear

10: Clause 2, page 2, line 13, at end insert “or

( ) to expr...

Lord Dear | 746 cc100-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to deal with Amendments 10, 12 and 14. I said when I spoke to Amendments...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c101 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments are very similar to those we debated before the dinner break and, in a...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc101-2 (Link to this contribution)

The amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Dear, provide an opportunity for me again to make clear wh...

Lord Dear | 746 c102 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister think that the law is so adequate that these words are irrelevant or does she t...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 c102 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is both. They are not necessary and by being specific in this way, as I tried to expla...

Lord Dear | 746 c103 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am partly confused and certainly not in agreement with what I think I heard the Minis...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord but I strongly object to what he has just said. There is n...

Lord Dear | 746 c103 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, I defer to the noble Lord’s view on this but nevertheless we have heard of a number of...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c103 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

11: Clause 2, page 3, leave out lines 21 and 22

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 cc103-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendment 16. The Bill as drafted does not allow registrars to ref...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c104 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness keeps referring to the case of Miss Ladele but has failed to inform the House ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c106 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my point was that it never needed to have come to court.

Our new clause would pro...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c106 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Baroness inform the House whether a proposed new clause would open the door to reg...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c106 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate is about same-sex marriages. That is what I am addressing. Surely we should...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

It is a legitimate question. If the amendment were agreed, would the noble Baroness be opening th...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill is not about mixed-race marriages but about same-sex marriages. That is what ...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness know of any religious faith that would object to a mixed-race marriage?

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords, I do not know of any. I have just had little more to say before I finish. Our propo...

Lord Alli | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

I have a question for the noble Baroness. If I understand her proposed new clause correctly, at t...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Alli, got it absolutely right. I will draw my remarks to a conclusion.

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 746 c107 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening at this late stage of my noble friend’s speech, but I would like to b...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c108 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords, I am not going into divorce. I am trying to keep my proposed amendment quite narrow...

Baroness D'Souza | 746 c108 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if this amendment is agreed to I cannot call Amendment 11A by reason of pre-emption.

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 746 cc108-110 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 16 of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, and I do so very much as...

Bishop of Hereford | 746 cc109-112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege. As sh...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 746 c112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some hesitation in following the three very able speakers, with all of whom I ha...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 cc112-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Government will listen to the points that have been made and recognise ...

Lord Alli | 746 cc115-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that it might seem unfair to the right reverend Prelate, or to the noble B...

Bishop of Hereford | 746 c116 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that the initiative for the quadruple lock came first from the Churches. Rather, i...

Lord Alli | 746 c116 (Link to this contribution)

I will repeat my offer. I am really happy to work with the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of H...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 746 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, confess to having some sympathy with the amendment, particularly as diluted by ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 c117 (Link to this contribution)

Am I correct in saying that it is not a question of a judge declining to sit on a particular case...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 746 c117 (Link to this contribution)

I am not so sure about that. Those who arranged the judicial calendar did have some regard to que...

Baroness Barker | 746 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened to this debate with great care. It is one of the most important we have had....

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

Surely there is not likely to be any situation in which a couple go to a registrar who is seated ...

Lord Dear | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

If I may respond, that situation is really an exercise of emotion rather than fact. The likelihoo...

Baroness Barker | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

But you are left with the possibility. What happens in a rural area where there are not that many...

Lord Dear | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect, we are trying to get to the facts in all these debates. If I may say s...

Baroness Barker | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

But which is none the less possible.

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

I live in a rural area and I looked into this. In rural areas particularly, registrars work in te...

Baroness Barker | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

None the less, I return to the point: the noble Baroness wishes to put in legislation the potenti...

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c118 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the noble Baroness explain what in this amendment makes her think that the scenario...

Baroness Barker | 746 c119 (Link to this contribution)

Because the potential exists for that to happen. To go back to some recent examples, what if, pri...

Baroness Berridge | 746 c119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is clear from all these debates and amendments that the feelings on either side are ...

Lord Browne of Belmont | 746 cc119-121 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to support Amendment 16, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberleg...

Baroness Noakes | 746 c120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief because I am sure that we want to hear from the Front Benches fairly s...

Bishop of Hereford | 746 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness and take up more time but I do not think that any of u...

Baroness Noakes | 746 cc120-2 (Link to this contribution)

I completely understand that but the examples given are relatively few. One of them is abortion a...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 746 c122 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to this debate with some concern because we have heard references to co...

Lord Elton | 746 c122 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is trespassing very close on bedtime too, so I will not take much of your Lordships’...

Lord Elton | 746 c123 (Link to this contribution)

Heads are being shaken all around. I would like to hear.

Baroness Brinton | 746 c123 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening. It is quite possible not be married by the registrar who you see in ...

Lord Elton | 746 c123 (Link to this contribution)

The registrar they meet will be able to distinguish their gender and he will put that into the ma...

Lord Elton | 746 c123 (Link to this contribution)

That is what the amendment would provide, which is what we are talking about. Let us not spend to...

Baroness Thornton | 746 cc123-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Elton, is of course right. It is time we moved on and went home.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc125-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking my noble friend Lady Cumberlege for introducing this amendment, whi...

Lord Elton | 746 c126 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the protection extends to conducting the marriage, not preparing for it.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc126-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following that logic, surely a conscientious objection must be as much to facilitating ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 cc127-130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to start by thanking all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I...

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