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Justice and Security Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 26 March 2013, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Taylor of Holbeach.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
744 cc1008-1072 
Session
2012-13
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Commons amendments
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Justice and Security Bill (HL) 2012-13. Commons amendments.
Monday, 11 March 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-0759
Tuesday, 26 March 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 744 cc1008-1013 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that your Lordships do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 1. I sha...


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Lord Butler of Brockwell | 744 cc1013-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in general, the amendments which the Minister has described are very welcome to the Int...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 744 cc1015-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his very detailed explanation of the amendments before us. In ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 744 cc1016-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Butler, and the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Basildon, fo...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc1017-1024 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 4 and in doi...

Lord Beecham | 744 cc1023-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 6A as an amendment to Amendment 6.

During the Second...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 744 cc1028-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 6B in my name. Everyone accepts that CMPs represent a significant ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 744 cc1029-1030 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall confine what I have to say to Amendment 6B, now that it has been spoken to by t...

Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 744 cc1030-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will address Amendments 6A and 6B and the consequential Amendments 16A, 16B and 16C. ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 744 cc1031-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in rising to support this Bill I confess to a particular interest in the legislation. M...

Lord Goldsmith | 744 cc1034-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is too late in this process to take the view that closed material procedures can nev...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 744 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble and learned Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask a layman’s question. It may be an ...

Lord Goldsmith | 744 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

The principal test should be whether the only fair way of determining the matter is through a CMP...

Baroness Berridge | 744 cc1035-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly to Amendments 6A and 6B in this group and I am privileged to se...

Lord Owen | 744 cc1037-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a former Minister with responsibility for MI6 I realise that although it has a need ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 744 cc1038-1040 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 6A and 6B. I think that there is agreement in the House that CMP s...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 744 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suppose that I can claim to have had some experience in dealing with this area of the...

Lord Goldsmith | 744 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, has made that point twice. Does h...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 744 cc1041-2 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, that is the procedure with excluded material. Of course, excluding the material can s...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 744 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, much of what I intended to say has already been said, but I shall give an illustration ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 744 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

How does my noble friend know what the judge would have decided, assuming that he had had a chanc...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 744 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

I am not saying what decision he would have made—how could I possibly know? I am saying that the ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 744 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may say, as a court judge, that nobody would ever visit a judge up the back stairs when...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 744 cc1042-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have certainly been up the front stairs to see many a judge in chambers. The noble and learned ...

Lord Woolf | 744 cc1043-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose to say only very little because to some extent I anticipated what I might say...

Baroness Hamwee | 744 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

I ask my noble and learned friend two short questions. The first is a very simple one, possibly e...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 744 cc1045-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to stand after the really important contributions by so many Members of this...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 744 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness know of a single case in which sensitive security material such as she ta...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 744 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

No, but I am saying that if the amendment balances national security versus open justice, however...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 744 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fear that I have to disagree with two eminent judges—the noble and learned Lords, Lor...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 744 cc1048-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ought to declare that my daughter is chairman of Liberty, but I fear that she will be...

Lord Gilbert | 744 c1049 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to take part in this debate but I have been moved to do so. We have ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc1049-1051 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House will agree that this has been a very good and well informed debate and rightl...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 744 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

Is my noble and learned friend saying that the judges will apply a balancing test when they exerc...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc1051-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very clear that open justice is part of our justice system. It is implied by the ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 744 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I point out to the Minister that I, too, am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Ri...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully accept that the Joint Committee on Human Rights and your Lordships’ Constitutio...

Lord Beecham | 744 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

6A: Line 2, at beginning insert “If the court considers that a ...

Lord Beecham | 744 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships will be at one with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc1060-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the convenience of the House, I will speak also to the other amendments in this gro...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 744 cc1062-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 19A to 19D in my name as amendments to Amendment 19, conc...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 744 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to reinforce what the Minister has said about the prejudice which a sunset claus...

Lord Beecham | 744 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments moved by the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and I am prepared to say ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc1065-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a relatively short debate, but nevertheless important points have been ma...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 744 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

19B: Line 6, leave out “five” and insert “fou...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 744 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

I have not moved Amendment 19A, but Amendments 19B to 19D, as a suite, on the principle of renewa...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 25. This is ...

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