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Crime and Courts Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 12 December 2012, in the House of Lords.
Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 70).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
741 cc1079-1134 
Session
2012-13
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Beecham | 741 c1079 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

116DA: Schedule 17, page 262, line 43, at end insert—

“( ...

Lord Beecham | 741 cc1080-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot claim the prophetic prescience of my biblical near-namesake, so it is entirely...


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Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 741 c1082 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the change in position made by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, between Committe...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 741 cc1082-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 116DA and 116DB revisit an issue that we considered in Committee: namely, pa...

Lord Beecham | 741 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find that slightly disappointing. The Minister did not address the issue of incentivi...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

117: Transpose Schedule 17 to before Schedule 14

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1084-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

118: Before Clause 26, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1085-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 124, which is in the group.

The new clause to be ...

Lord Avebury | 741 cc1086-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the Government for considering the matters raised in my Amendment...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 c1087 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may add to what my noble friend has just said. My wife is an immigration and ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1087 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to comment on that because one of my responsibilities within the Home Offi...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc1087-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

118ZA: Clause 26, page 23, line 26, at end insert...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc1088-1090 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps this is a timely amendment in the context of the debate that we have just had a...

Lord Avebury | 741 cc1091-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness. A great many of the refusals of applications for leave...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 cc1092-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, many years ago, in 1967, I did the first case in Strasbourg against the United Kingdom:...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1093-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will address Amendment 118ZA in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Smith. Before I ...

Lord Avebury | 741 c1094 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend deal with the point I made? The exercise of the right of appeal is not only ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1094-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that at all. If someone’s application to visit this country is refused, then I re...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1095 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has always been generous with his time and courteous in his response, but ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1095 (Link to this contribution)

The allegation that we are not taking steps to improve the original decision-making has been refu...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1096 (Link to this contribution)

I do not doubt that that is the Minister’s intention, but when we hear that the success rate of a...

Lord Avebury | 741 c1096 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Avebury

118C: Clause 27, page 24, line 17, at end insert—

“(4) Th...

Lord Avebury | 741 cc1096-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, leaving out this clause would ensure that a person who is outside the country when his ...

Lord Pannick | 741 c1098 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Avebury. As he said, it is very difficult effectively to...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc1098-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, raised this issue in Committee, I raised with the Mi...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 c1099 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness described me as “noble and learned”. I should not be described in th...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1099-1100 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we set out in Committee the reasons for Clause 27. It demonstrates a current anomaly in...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 741 c1100 (Link to this contribution)

The point has already been made in this debate that if such an appeal is made, the appellant is p...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1100 (Link to this contribution)

I tend to disagree with the noble Lord. I cannot see why it should be possible to allow somebody ...

Lord Pannick | 741 c1100 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. Is not the point that however reprehensible the allegations agai...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1100-1 (Link to this contribution)

I think we disagree on that. Noble Lords will understand the premise on which the Government are ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 c1101 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister but I am now genuinely bemused. We know from the Chahal case...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

I am not a lawyer but I am, I hope, filled with common sense. It strikes me as being quite nonsen...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 741 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening to this debate without any particularly strong views either way. However, p...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the process of appeal is open to anybody and the circumstances in which they have found...

Lord Gilbert | 741 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have been listening very closely to this debate, with no expertise whatever. However, I t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

I think that would be counterproductive. If the noble Lord thinks through the circumstances of th...

Lord Woolf | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

Am I right in thinking that this form of appeal from outside the country has been part of the imm...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord is perfectly correct in that regard.

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just before my noble friend sits down, I would like to understand the position. Somebod...

Lord Avebury | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the crux of the matter is that the Minister suggests that credible evidence exists for ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

I realise we are on Report, but I will just say to the noble Lord that it may be that the conduct...

Lord Avebury | 741 c1104 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know. The noble Lord has raised this for the first time. It has often been suggested tha...

Baroness Meacher | 741 c1104 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

118E: Clause 29, page 28, line 24, leave out “controlled” a...

Baroness Meacher | 741 cc1105-7 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak also to Amendment 118GA and shall not speak to Amendment 118G. I also wish to regis...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc1107-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, semaphore signals made across the Chamber are always excessively polite. I do not want ...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 741 cc1108-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak briefly in relation to this group of amendments and Clause 29, largely ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc1109-1112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 118H, 118K and 118L. I say to the Minister at the outset th...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc1112-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise that the amendments relate to concerns about the Government’s approach to d...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1115 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to intervene but I just want the noble Lord to clarify the point about the i...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc1115-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I understand it, the doctor’s instructions will trump the leaflet. If I am wrong on ...

Baroness Meacher | 741 c1117 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I remain completely unconvinced that there is any logic at...

Earl Attlee | 741 c1117 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we asked the expert panel to consider the drugs that we thought were causing a road saf...

Baroness Meacher | 741 c1117 (Link to this contribution)

I know that noble Lords do not want me to take any more time because people need to move on. My o...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c1117 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

118N: Clause 29, page 29, line 23, at end insert—

“( )...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c1118 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope to be very brief on this amendment and on Amendment 118P. These amendments deal ...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc1118-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would point out first that these are very important clauses and it is right that the ...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for speed, I will not comment on that other than to thank the noble Earl. I beg leave t...

Lord Dear | 741 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dear

119: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—

“Publ...

Lord Dear | 741 cc1119-1124 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in introducing Amendment 119 I have in the front of my mind the words attributed to Vol...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 c1122 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. I will not take long because I hope that we will move to a vot...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 741 cc1122-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the third string, it seems to me that freedom of expression is an extremely importan...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 741 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

I rise briefly in support of the masterly way in which the noble Lord, Lord Dear, has introduced ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 741 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like many other people, I received a large number of e-mails and letters all going one ...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c1125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was hoping that my noble friend Lord Macdonald would be in his place as he was a litt...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc1126-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, it is nearly a year since the Government launched their consultation ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 c1127 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask my noble friend whether the word “abusive” would deal with that. The law is the...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1127 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may well be. The answer is that I do not know. There has to be a proper examination ...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 741 c1127 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend wants evidence, would she not take into account the views of the Director of P...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would absolutely take that view on information from the Director of Public Prosecutio...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 741 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend must have regard to the fact that the director is the head of the prosecution ser...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not disputing that. I am disputing that that should be taken in context with the o...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 741 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

We would not sully our ears with the expressions used in the instance that the noble Baroness has...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding of the case concerning Mr Braithewaite and Miss Williams is that the defendant w...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc1128-1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the interest that has been shown in this debate. I thank the noble Barones...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I am not prepared to give way. I want the House to hear the argument that has gon...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

I will urge noble Lords to reject the amendment.

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord like to comment on the fact that the Director of Public Prosecutions has cha...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

The letter is available, no doubt, from the noble Lord, Lord Dear, in full. I suggest that noble ...

Lord Maginnis of Drumglass | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

In so far as I understand the term “abusive”—most noble Lords will understand that term—can the M...

Lord Dear | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall respond to one thing. Lest there should be any doubt that I might have been con...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

120: Clause 30, page 30, line 43, after “30” insert ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

121: Clause 33, page 32, line 41, after “17” insert ...

Lord Pannick | 741 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

122A: Clause 33, page 33, line 1, leave out “Section 21(2) come...

Baroness Deech | 741 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Deech

122AA: Clause 33, page 33, line 16, at end insert—

“( )...

Lord Pannick | 741 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

122B: Clause 33, page 33, line 17, at end insert—

“( ) se...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

122C: Clause 33, page 33, line 33, at end insert—

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