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Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 3 December 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bichard.
Clauses 1 to 6 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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741 cc125-172GC 
Session
2012-13
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill 2012-13. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 October 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

14: Clause 6, page 3, line 35, leave out subsect...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc167-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the main aim of this amendment is to firm up how and in what form the Secretary of Stat...


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Lord Marland | 741 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, probes again—quite reasonably, if I may say so. I just want to ma...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his comments. It is nice to see that my rating has risen from being inte...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

15: Clause 6, page 4, line 9, at end insert—

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Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc169-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 15 brings to the attention of the Committee the suggestion that if the report...

Lord Marland | 741 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an A+ amendment, without any doubt at all, something that I have never achieved...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

It is embarrassing to be praised so quickly, and so young. Of course, to be the very best of our ...

Lord Marland | 741 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord is not satisfied, I can big it up even more.

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall play my cards slowly and see how we get on. The simple point that I was going to make was...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

16: After Clause 6, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

This is my last appearance in the Committee on this occasion. I have risked the Minister’s wrath ...

Lord Marland | 741 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have trodden this ground quite a lot so far. I think that the FOI is a very signific...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I simply note that perhaps in 10 years’ time, when we are on the other side and are deb...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 741 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm...

Lord Marland | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

Pounds, dollars, whatever you like. [Laughter]

Lord Teverson | 741 cc158-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for going through this. Can I just say what I am not saying? I ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

10: Clause 4, page 3, line 21, at end insert—

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc159-161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have just heard an interesting discussion about what the overall financing arrangeme...

Lord Marland | 741 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that landscape of the new bank and the large elements of agreement from the nob...

Baroness Ford | 741 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

There are two concepts here and it is important to get clarity. Track record is important for co-...

Lord Marland | 741 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

I could not have put it better myself. In fact, I could not have attempted to put it as well as t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his comments and I share the support shown for the success of the bank. ...

Lord Teverson | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness about one matter. One of the things that I understand invest...

Baroness Ford | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

There are ways of doing it. I do not wish to detain the Committee and perhaps I should have a cup...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

I encourage the Minister to try to turn not a duckling, but a cygnet, into a swan. A cygnet, in b...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may respond. Since I joined your Lordships’ House, I have always been impressed with th...

Lord Bates | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, would agree with me that given that this is one of the la...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord makes a very good point and, in an early start-up arrangement, the last ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c163GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

12: Clause 5, page 3, line 27, at end insert—

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc163-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of the amendment is quite straightforward. I spoke under the last amendment...

Lord Marland | 741 c164GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an interesting amendment, but of course it goes way beyond the Freedom of Infor...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c164GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do understand that and thank the Minister for pointing out how the Government are app...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c165GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

13A: Clause 5, page 3, line 27, at end insert—

“(...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc165-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is designed to try to elicit a few more comments from the Government on ...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 741 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

I assume that the noble Baroness’s proposal is born of previous literature. Could she tell the Gr...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not have a number in mind. This is a newly created facility, which we have to explore. As th...

Lord Marland | 741 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Baroness would agree that 20% would be a reasonable part of the bank’s i...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his comments, which were reassuring. I think that 20% sounds about right...

Lord Teverson | 741 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend the Minister for his response. I fully accept that the EU ETS money route...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

It struck me that the revenues from the EU ETS auctions would be considerable, even at this depre...

Lord Teverson | 741 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

I read an estimate somewhere of about £1.3 billion a year. But it all depends on the carbon price...

Lord Marland | 741 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help. It depends on the market, which is not there at the moment to buy it. We inve...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

I have done some back of the envelope calculations, and at about 100 million tonnes it will be in...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her comments. It is certainly an area that I would like to come ba...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

7: Clause 4, page 3, line 10, at end insert—

“(3A...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc148-9GC (Link to this contribution)

This, as noble Lords can see, is a probing amendment but continues on the theme. We are trying to...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 741 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment proposed:

“Page 3, line 10, at end insert”,

the words as printed—but not qu...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc149-150GC (Link to this contribution)

I had not noted that. Perhaps I should change my whole speech because of it.

The whole area...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 741 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a small technical question. The official Opposition indicated, in the noble Baro...

Lord Marland | 741 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for this probing amendment, which goes back to the creative thinking on how we...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc150-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. A consultation would certainly help to flesh out some of t...

Lord Teverson | 741 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

8: Clause 4, page 3, line 21, at end insert—

“(7) It is ...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc151-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, now we get on to one of the core issues around the Green Investment Bank, which is its ...

Lord Skidelsky | 741 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson. I would have put my name down ...

Baroness Ford | 741 cc153-4GC (Link to this contribution)

This is a really interesting amendment, which also touches on the previous amendment. I am not su...

Lord Teverson | 741 c154GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness very much for that contribution. I should point out that the borrowing...

Baroness Ford | 741 c154GC (Link to this contribution)

KfW is covered by the covered bond regime, which we do not have in the United Kingdom.

Lord Oxburgh | 741 cc154-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I shall not detain the Committee by repeating the points...

Lord Skidelsky | 741 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could reply to the noble Baroness, Lady Ford. Her point is absolutely right, but it is ...

Lord Bates | 741 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I dissent from the amendment? I think that it goes against the whole point of the legislation...

Lord Mitchell | 741 cc155-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had some very good contributions. In fact, my Amendment 9 just leads on from wh...

Lord Marland | 741 cc156-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Mitchell, that handwritten notes such as those that we ol...

Lord Teverson | 741 c157GC (Link to this contribution)

This is covered in European accounting standard 95. I do not see why we should put ourselves at a...

Lord Marland | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that it is a question of being supine. This is a government decision that has been...

Lord Skidelsky | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand it but do not agree with it.

Lord Marland | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. It is good that my noble friend understands it, because then he will not disagree wi...

Lord Mitchell | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister have any thoughts about when this borrowing will come to pass?

Lord Marland | 741 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

We have made it very clear that it will not come to pass before the end of this Parliament. That ...

Lord Cotter | 741 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the thrust of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Mitchell, particular...

Lord Bates | 741 cc129-130GC (Link to this contribution)

I, too, welcome this amendment but I have some questions about it on which I would like to put do...

Lord Marland | 741 c130GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, of course the Government are very committed to SMEs, and I know that the noble Lord, Lo...

Lord Mitchell | 741 cc130-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his statement and, indeed, I thank all noble Lords for their contribut...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c131GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert—

“(3)...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc131-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I am going to continue the theme that I started with the first amendme...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc132-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to Amendment 4, I should say that it is a great pleasure to deal with a ...

Lord Marland | 741 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a sense of deja vu, thinking that I am still in the Department for Energy and Cl...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. We do not doubt that many parts of government ar...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c135GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

5: Clause 2, page 2, line 1, after “State” inser...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 cc135-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 5 stands in the name of my noble friend Lord Adonis who is unable to be prese...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 741 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a short technical question for the Minister and, conceivably, for the noble Lord...

Lord Marland | 741 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords, especially the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson of Balmacara, for their words. The...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I should make it clear that I was agreeing with him, as he has p...

Lord Marland | 741 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

I can deal with that immediately. It is a very good point. We have no current intentions to sell ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for those additional remarks and for saying earlier in his response that h...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 741 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help with this question. Since the 1880s, it has been a matter of interpretation of...

Lord Marland | 741 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding for explaining that. In fact, it coincides...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 741 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding. I was, in fact, previously...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 741 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree that this is now a score draw. With that, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment...

Lord Teverson | 741 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

6: Clause 4, page 3, line 10, at end insert—

“(f) a prop...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc140-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 11. Here, I am trying to be as helpful as I can be to t...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc141-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much indeed. In fact, last month the Government already had their first auction of...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 741 cc142-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some doubt about the proposed new clause of which my noble friend has just spoke...

Lord Wigley | 741 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for coming in rather late, but I am in good time for the amendment that I w...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc143-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, if for no other reaso...

Lord Teverson | 741 cc144-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we are in Committee, perhaps I could come back on my noble friend Lord Jenkin’s impo...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 741 cc145-6GC (Link to this contribution)

As we are in Committee, I hope that I can say a couple of words about this. The nuclear industry ...

Lord Marland | 741 cc146-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I can deal with this quite swiftly. Both the ETS and the NLF, the Nuclear Liabi...

Lord Bichard | 741 c125GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, welcome to the Grand Committee on the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill. If there i...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c125GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out paragraph (b) an...

Baroness Worthington | 741 cc125-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we should remind ourselves why these green purposes are so important. This bank has bee...

Lord Marland | 741 cc126-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, here we go. We have nine days in Committee— I work it out at 36 hours—and what a way to...

Baroness Worthington | 741 c127GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I am slightly perplexed as I do not think that the quote f...

Lord Mitchell | 741 c127GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mitchell

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert—

“(3) In und...

Lord Mitchell | 741 cc127-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I stand here in some trepidation, having heard the comments that the noble Lord, Lord M...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 741 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what my noble friend has just said in relation to Amendment 2. It is often co...

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