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Justice and Security Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 21 November 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Dubs.
Part 2. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 56).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
740 cc1885-1928 
Session
2012-13
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Justice and Security Bill [HL] 2012-13
Monday, 28 May 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Dubs | 740 c1885 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

45: Clause 6, leave out Clause 6

Lord Dubs | 740 cc1885-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the earlier debates this evening, we discussed the CMPs at great length. As I said i...


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Lord Strasburger | 740 cc1887-1890 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I spoke to your Lordship’s House on Second Reading, I highlighted how the injectio...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 cc1890-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should say immediately that I am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, and...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 740 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness gave the example of drones. Could she explain how anything in the Bill would i...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

There is a case going through the courts. A British resident called Noor Khan is seeking a judici...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 740 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to press the noble Baroness, but I still do not understand what she is saying. It must...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 c1892 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested to hear the noble Lord, Lord Lester, the great human rights lawyer, defending sec...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 cc1893-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness. I am sorry to start by correcting...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 740 c1894 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the noble Lord is not suggesting that those of us who oppose these clauses are in favou...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c1894 (Link to this contribution)

There are three points there. First, of course I was not suggesting that there was any intent on ...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 cc1894-5 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish with the questions that I have been asked and then I will happily come back to the ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is presenting a parody of the argument that I have made, and I refute it. I unders...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may respond and then I will give way to the noble Baroness, Lady Manningham-Buller. I w...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 740 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Strasburger, should speak first.

Lord Strasburger | 740 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Lord tell the House about a single occasion when a British court has released into ...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c1895 (Link to this contribution)

That is rather a Catch-22 question, is it not? The reason they have not is that they have settled...

Lord Strasburger | 740 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

Then the answer to my question is no.

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

The explanation for a no is always more substantial than a straight no.

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 740 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel I have to rise to speak because of the presumption of guilt suggested by some pe...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

I must ask the noble Baroness if she was listening when I made my speech. I made it very clear th...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 740 c1896 (Link to this contribution)

Because it relates to the Libyan thing, I cannot answer the question. It is the subject of crimin...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 740 c1897 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may remind the House that the Companion sets out that, at Report stage, a spe...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c1897 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way but I was not quite finished. I have heard of being overtaken by events but I thi...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 740 cc1897-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the fact that, with Roy Jenkins, I helped produce the first anti-terrorism Bill, which bec...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 740 c1898 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to be fairly brief. I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Reid, will accept that I have an ...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 740 c1898 (Link to this contribution)

I am not insulted, I just feel that when the suggestion is that we have committed serious crime, ...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 740 cc1898-1900 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that.

What I want to do is to return, I am afraid, to the legal context. I wil...

Lord Judd | 740 cc1899-1901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord has spoken very powerfully about the importance of public trust and how ...

Lord Faulks | 740 c1901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Justice and Security Bill demands justice and security. We have been quite rightly ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 740 cc1901-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have had experience of a torture case, the Baha Mousa case, which involved the death ...

Lord Beecham | 740 cc1904-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by paying tribute to my noble friend Lord Dubs, who has spent a lifetime in the...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1905 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has clearly been an important debate with passions expressed on both sides of the ...

Lord Dubs | 740 c1905 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying that the amendments we passed this afternoon will not be reversed in the C...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 cc1905-7 (Link to this contribution)

This is the Bill as the House has now passed it. The House has accepted that CMPs are needed. The...

Lord Dubs | 740 c1907 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have been over these issues a number of times this evening, so I shall confine mysel...

Lord Pannick | 740 c1907 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

47: Clause 7, page 5, line 33, at end insert “and that damage o...

Lord Pannick | 740 c1907 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we debated the amendment much earlier this evening. It relates to Clause 7 and is the e...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1907 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

59: Clause 11, page 8, line 1, leave out subsecti...

Lord Beecham | 740 c1907 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

62: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—

“Ex...

Lord Beecham | 740 cc1907-1912 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, sunset clauses are never popular with governments and I suspect not too popular with Me...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1912 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for moving the amendment, which I say at the outset we are ...

Lord Beecham | 740 c1912 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister should recognise that the amendment relates only to Clauses 6 to 11.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1913 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. Other amendments are grouped with it which I suspect have not been spoken to. None t...

Lord Beecham | 740 c1913 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. I welcome the noble and learned Lord’s indication that som...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 740 cc1913-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

63: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 740 cc1914-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a speaking note for this amendment and I will not take the risk of moving it for...

Lord Dubs | 740 cc1915-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not dissent from the Minister’s reasoning, and indeed am grateful to him for expla...

Baroness Hamwee | 740 c1916 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will follow that by asking whether the Government are satisfied that the objections t...

Lord Beecham | 740 c1916 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endorse my noble friend’s remarks. I touched on a similar point during Second Reading...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 740 c1916 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for extending the scope of our debate somewhat, outside the frame of...

Lord Dubs | 740 cc1916-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

64: Clause 13, page 9, line 40, at end insert—

“( ) Section ...

Lord Dubs | 740 c1917 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very brief. We now come to the Norwich Pharmacal issues: applications for public intere...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 740 c1917 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, feel strongly that this is an issue of some importance and I thank my noble friend Lord D...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 740 cc1917-8 (Link to this contribution)

I also support this important amendment. We know that some countries that are considered to be re...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 cc1918-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, for moving this amendment. We now move on to the Nor...

Lord Dubs | 740 c1919 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the hour is late. We could debate this for a long time, but I beg leave to withdraw the...

Lord Pannick | 740 c1919 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

66: Clause 13, page 10, line 7, after “is” insert “certified”

Lord Pannick | 740 c1920 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the main concerns with Norwich Pharmacal provisions is the breadth of the defini...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 740 cc1920-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to our amendments on this clause, Amendments 69, 70, 71, 72 and 76. I do ...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 740 c1921 (Link to this contribution)

I just say that I understand the concerns about the scale of the paragraph on sensitive intellige...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 cc1921-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, for moving his amendment and the noble Barone...

Lord Pannick | 740 c1924 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble and learned Lord. I recognise the difficulty of defining with pre...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1924 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

87: Schedule 3, page 19, line 33, at end insert—<...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 740 c1926 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

88: Schedule 3, page 20, line 25, at end insert—

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 740 cc1926-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords will know by now that Clause 12 of the Justice and Security Bill amends the...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 cc1927-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

89: Clause 16, page 12, line 4, leave out from be...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1928 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

90: Clause 16, page 12, line 7, at beginning inse...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 740 c1928 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

93: In the Title, line 3, leave out “provide for”...

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