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Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 16 April 2024, in the House of Commons, led by Victoria Atkins. The answering members were Andrea Leadsom, Wes Streeting and Preet Kaur Gill.
Second reading. Agreed to on division (383 to 67). Programme motion on committal, proceedings in a Public Bill Committee, consideration and third reading. Agreed to on question. King's recommendation signified. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
748 cc185-275 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Prevention in health and social care: alcohol, drugs, smoking and gambling
Monday, 5 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Prevention in Health and Social Care: Alcohol, drugs, smoking and gambling
Tuesday, 6 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Tobacco and Vapes Bill 2023-24
Wednesday, 20 March 2024
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Victoria Atkins | 748 c185 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Before I start, I should declare an...

Luke Evans | 748 c185 (Link to this contribution)

I urge everyone who has come to the debate to go to a respiratory ward—I served on one for a year...


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Victoria Atkins | 748 c185 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for bringing to the Chamber his professional experience and the real-life ...

Edward Leigh | 748 c185 (Link to this contribution)

How does the Secretary of State counter the Conservative argument that if we ban something, we ma...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my right hon. Friend. I will genuinely come to that, because I know th...

Lilian Greenwood | 748 c186 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is right that we should protect the next generation. Labour proposed the s...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c186 (Link to this contribution)

That is a brave submission from the hon. Lady, given the debate in the Chamber yesterday. I certa...

John Hayes | 748 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I commend my right hon. Friend for her approach to young people smoking, her determination to dea...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my right hon. Friend and close Lincolnshire neighbour. He knows that o...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c187 (Link to this contribution)

I will just finish this point. We are bringing forward this legislation so that we stop the start...

Lyn Brown | 748 c187 (Link to this contribution)

Let me say from the outset that I completely support this Bill. In Newham, 22% of sales last year...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c187 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I can assure the hon. Lady, because the illicit trade is often the greatest in the most depr...

Jake Berry | 748 c187 (Link to this contribution)

Has my right hon. Friend seen the latest statistics that say twice as many schoolchildren smoke c...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c187 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, is my right hon. Friend suggesting that we repeal the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, unde...

Jim Shannon | 748 cc187-8 (Link to this contribution)

First of all, I commend the Secretary of State and the Government for bringing forward this legis...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c188 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s support. We understand the level of lobbying tha...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c188 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make a little progress, if I may, because I want to come to the age of sale.

...

Vicky Ford | 748 c188 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that, largely, the Bill will not affect people in this House but ...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c189 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend. Yet again, she reminds us what a brilliant local constituency MP sh...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 748 c189 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way. She knows that I take a particular interest in the...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c189 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises a very fair point. Interestingly, the latest survey of retailers shows—...

Giles Watling | 748 c189 (Link to this contribution)

I smoked until 30usb years ago and it was a very hard business to stop the evil weed. I come from...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c189 (Link to this contribution)

First of all, I completely reject my hon. Friend’s suggestion that he is a dinosaur. He brings a ...

Alexander Stafford | 748 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening very carefully to what my right hon. Friend is saying. She outlined how the consum...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c190 (Link to this contribution)

Sadly—I say this genuinely—there is nothing inevitable about a decrease in smoking rates. Indeed,...

Nickie Aiken | 748 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way. She is making a very important point about young peo...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for bringing the City of Westminster right into the Chamber. There are, in...

Victoria Atkins | 748 cc190-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress and then I will give way.

As I have said, the tobacco indu...

Alex Cunningham | 748 c191 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the tax burden is the highest it has been for some considerable time. I welcome the Bi...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c191 (Link to this contribution)

No, because, as I have said, the modelling suggests that among the younger generation smoking lev...

Anthony Mangnall | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I am somewhat perplexed by this debate, and indeed by the Bill. I do not consider it to be enforc...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I am, of course, responsible for healthcare in England, so I will not trespass on the health need...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

I have already taken an intervention from the hon. Member for North Antrim (Ian Paisley). I will ...

Rachael Maskell | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has talked about addiction to nicotine. If, as she has suggested, vaping i...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

The House has already legislated to ensure that vapes cannot be sold to people under 18. However,...

Vicky Foxcroft | 748 c192 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Victoria Atkins | 748 c193 (Link to this contribution)

No; I want to make some progress. I want to say something about the measures on vaping because, a...

Gareth Johnson | 748 c193 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way; she is being very generous. The Bill gives her wid...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c193 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for highlighting that. I give a commitment here at the Dispatch Box that w...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 748 c193 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Victoria Atkins | 748 c193 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman wants to dive in before I conclude, I will let him do so.

Ian Jnr Paisley | 748 cc193-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is kind of the Secretary of State. I appreciate her taking these interventions.

Given ...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for raising a really important point. May I, through him, thank the ne...

Rehman Chishti | 748 c194 (Link to this contribution)

On the Secretary of State’s point about tackling illicit tobacco, I raised that question with the...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c194 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend gives me the ideal opportunity to talk about my favourite criminal offence: cheati...

Vicky Foxcroft | 748 c194 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Victoria Atkins | 748 cc194-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to conclude. In fairness, I have been generous with my time.

We want to build a ...

Nigel Evans | 748 c195 (Link to this contribution)

I will try not to impose a strict time limit. If I were wishing to speak, I would start to think ...

Wes Streeting | 748 cc195-6 (Link to this contribution)

Until the early 2000s, every pub you walked into was filled with smoke. One in every four people ...

Jake Berry | 748 c196 (Link to this contribution)

On the issue of unity, does the hon. Gentleman agree with the comment made by his colleague the h...

Wes Streeting | 748 c196 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for York Central made the really good point—a point that needs to be we...

Wes Streeting | 748 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I will happily give way. Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman would like to take the opportunity to a...

Jake Berry | 748 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I will resist the hon. Gentleman’s offer. He has just said that vaping should only ever be used t...

Wes Streeting | 748 cc197-8 (Link to this contribution)

The record will show that I answered the right hon. Gentleman’s question. I talked about banning ...

Sara Britcliffe | 748 c198 (Link to this contribution)

Going back to the subject of what we are trying to debate rather than playing a political game, I...

Wes Streeting | 748 cc198-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her intervention. It falls to me to defend the Government agai...

Wes Streeting | 748 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Member will tell us.

Sara Britcliffe | 748 c199 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is putting me on the wrong side of this argument as a former smoker, so I would a...

Wes Streeting | 748 c199 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether there is a problem with the speaker system in here, because this is the sec...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, we will consult on this. It is a simple question that requires a simple answer:...

Wes Streeting | 748 c199 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Deputy Speaker, we are now in this parallel universe where the Secretary of State is asking me...

Victoria Atkins | 748 c200 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is not listening. He has been asked repeatedly whether he supports the concept...

Wes Streeting | 748 c200 (Link to this contribution)

Honestly, Mr Deputy Speaker, you just can’t help some people. I am trying to help the Secretary o...

Vicky Ford | 748 cc200-1 (Link to this contribution)

I want to go back to the point about consultation. I think that the hon. Gentleman has agreed tha...

Wes Streeting | 748 c201 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for her intervention. I think she makes a perfectly sensible...

Alexander Stafford | 748 c201 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to follow the hon. Gentleman’s argument to its logical conclusion. He talks about sub...

Wes Streeting | 748 c202 (Link to this contribution)

I think that is extraordinary. I do not think that smoking is slightly harmful; I think it is the...

Simon Clarke | 748 c202 (Link to this contribution)

I proudly call myself a libertarian, because I believe in the fundamental value of freedom of dec...

Wes Streeting | 748 cc202-3 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the right hon. Gentleman for sticking to his convictions as a libertarian in making that...

Lyn Brown | 748 c203 (Link to this contribution)

A couple of years back, Newham did a survey and discovered that 4% of year 6 children—that is 10 ...

Wes Streeting | 748 cc203-4 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly agree with my hon. Friend, and I am very familiar with Community Links, which does bri...

Nigel Evans | 748 cc204-5 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind everyone that there is a lot of interest in this debate, particularly among Gover...

Elizabeth Truss | 748 c205 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

I am not speaking in this debate because I love smoking, alth...

Kirsten Oswald | 748 c205 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Elizabeth Truss | 748 c205 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way to the hon. Lady—[Hon. Members: “Oh.”] I will not give way. I will give exact...

Elizabeth Truss | 748 cc205-6 (Link to this contribution)

They are the health police, and people are concerned about this. They want to be able to make the...

Wes Streeting | 748 c206 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Elizabeth Truss | 748 c206 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not giving way to the party that filibustered on my Bill and stopped us taking action to...

Christopher Chope | 748 c206 (Link to this contribution)

Did my right hon. Friend hear the comments of Sir Chris Whitty on the radio this morning? He refu...

Elizabeth Truss | 748 c206 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes absolutely the right point. There are double standards in this debate. My vi...

Caroline Johnson | 748 c207 (Link to this contribution)

As my right hon. Friend will know, I was in the Chamber on that Friday listening to the filibuste...

Elizabeth Truss | 748 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly do not support the liberalisation of those drugs. We know that people who become addi...

Wes Streeting | 748 c207 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for Members of this House to attack indivi...

Nigel Evans | 748 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I will allow that to rest on the record.

3.1 pm

Kirsten Oswald | 748 cc207-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak here today in favour of the Bill, part 2 of which specifically relates to S...

Caroline Johnson | 748 c209 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Lady knows, as we worked on this subject together, I brought forward a ten-minute rul...

Kirsten Oswald | 748 c209 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the hon. Lady’s intervention. As she knows, it is important for us to look at d...

Alison Thewliss | 748 c210 (Link to this contribution)

The proliferation of vapes has happened almost overnight. Does my hon. Friend share the concerns ...

Kirsten Oswald | 748 cc210-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that important point. I can understand the concerns of...

Nigel Evans | 748 c211 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Let me just remind Members of the seven-minute guidance.

3.13 pm

Steve Brine | 748 cc211-4 (Link to this contribution)

I start with a spoiler alert: I will be voting to give the Tobacco and Vapes Bill a Second Readin...

Virendra Sharma | 748 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Bill in principle, and will vote for its Second Reading later, because it is an ant...

Adam Afriyie | 748 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening closely to what the hon. Gentleman says because I share his passion for driving co...

Virendra Sharma | 748 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman jumps to a point that I will cover later in my remarks.

Most of the vape...

Sajid Javid | 748 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

When I was appointed Health Secretary in 2021, we were still in the midst of the pandemic. That c...

Daisy Cooper | 748 c217 (Link to this contribution)

First, I want to put on record my thanks to the public health Minister the right hon. Member for ...

Sammy Wilson | 748 c217 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member accept that that difficulty puts the onus on the retailer, who is meant to d...

Daisy Cooper | 748 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)

Colleagues across the House have genuine concerns about that point. I know from engagements in my...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 748 c219 (Link to this contribution)

I remind colleagues to stick to the guidance of seven minutes, because otherwise I will have to i...

Jake Berry | 748 cc219-220 (Link to this contribution)

I start my speech by saying that there are some good parts of this Bill. The banning of disposabl...

Andrew Rosindell | 748 c220 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making some extremely valid points. Freedom with responsibility and freed...

Jake Berry | 748 c220 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is quite right. That is the legal position under the law in this country if we hav...

Caroline Johnson | 748 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Jake Berry | 748 cc220-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will not. I have given way once and want to stick to my time. I will not support the Bill, beca...

Mary Glindon | 748 cc221-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is right that the Government bring forward this legislation, but I remind the House that Labou...

Mark Eastwood | 748 cc223-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Rossendale and Darwen (Sir Jake Berry) for his speech...

Rachael Maskell | 748 cc224-6 (Link to this contribution)

Let me first put on record that I worked in respiratory medicine for 20 years before coming to th...

Craig Whittaker | 748 cc226-7 (Link to this contribution)

Everyone would like to see a cessation of smoking. People stopping for good, let alone starting a...

Andrew Rosindell | 748 c227 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making some extremely important points. He seems to be saying that, howev...

Craig Whittaker | 748 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what I am saying. The Government’s aim to create a generation of smoke-free peopl...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 748 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I remind colleagues that if they go quite a long way over the guidance, it does mean that others ...

Alex Cunningham | 748 cc228-230 (Link to this contribution)

I draw attention to my role as a vice chair of the all-party parliamentary group on smoking and h...

Gareth Johnson | 748 c230 (Link to this contribution)

How many times has that offence been prosecuted?

Alex Cunningham | 748 c230 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting question. There have been only a handful of prosecutions because the legis...

Adam Afriyie | 748 cc230-2 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to point out three things at the outset. First, I used to be a smoker. I was probabl...

Andrew Rosindell | 748 c231 (Link to this contribution)

I agree wholeheartedly with my hon. Friend. Surely this should be something that should evolve? A...

Adam Afriyie | 748 c231 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more.

To conclude, I cannot vote for a Bill that treats adults unequally ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 748 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have nothing against interventions, but I suggest that if colleagues take interventions,...

Helen Hayes | 748 cc231-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of this important Bill. Smoking is entirely harmful and there are no b...

Helen Hayes | 748 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way at this stage, I am afraid.

It is still the case that more than one in ...

Alexander Stafford | 748 cc234-6 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to declare almost an opposite interest: I have never smoked a cigarette or a cigar in my l...

Liz Twist | 748 cc236-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to start with some figures from my local authority area and my constituency. Smoking...

Brendan Clarke-Smith | 748 cc237-8 (Link to this contribution)

I believe it is a noble cause to encourage people to give up smoking or not to take it up in the ...

Simon Clarke | 748 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be called in this debate, although I confess it is one that has depressed me,...

Steve Brine | 748 c239 (Link to this contribution)

On the “what next?” point, when I was Public Health Minister, we brought in the sugar tax with th...

Simon Clarke | 748 cc239-240 (Link to this contribution)

That would arguably be perfectly sensible, but it is different from a ban. The point is about the...

Daniel Kawczynski | 748 c240 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend says that drugs destroy lives, but tobacco does not. What about the people w...

Simon Clarke | 748 c240 (Link to this contribution)

With respect to my hon. Friend, I said that those drugs destroy communities. There is a profound ...

Caroline Johnson | 748 cc240-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise in support of the Government’s Bill. One of the first speakers this afternoon was my hon. ...

Caroline Johnson | 748 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because I have only a minute left.

The hon. Member for York Central (Rachael Ma...

Giles Watling | 748 cc241-3 (Link to this contribution)

Like my hon. Friend the Member for Windsor (Adam Afriyie), I was a smoker for many a year. I gave...

Chloe Smith | 748 cc243-5 (Link to this contribution)

Fifteen years of experience of leading and scrutinising complicated legislation tells me to be ca...

Gareth Johnson | 748 cc245-7 (Link to this contribution)

There is clearly a fair amount of agreement in the House about what we are trying to achieve. No ...

Siobhan Baillie | 748 cc247-8 (Link to this contribution)

This is quite basic for me. I see the Bill as an opportunity to change the life chances and the l...

Matt Warman | 748 cc248-250 (Link to this contribution)

My dad used to smoke 60 John Player Specials a day. When he died in 2009, the last 20 years of hi...

Maggie Throup | 748 cc250-1 (Link to this contribution)

As a former public health Minister, and a current vice-chair of the all-party parliamentary group...

Nick Fletcher | 748 cc251-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have spent four years in this position, and as with most things in life, the more time we spend...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 748 c253 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are more people here than I was expecting, so I hope we can limit our remarks to abo...

Bob Blackman | 748 cc253-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Bill and to make two declarations. First, I chair the all-party parliamenta...

Steve Brine | 748 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Including the Deputy Prime Minister.

Bob Blackman | 748 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Including the Deputy Prime Minister. From that ban through to the 2015 progress on tobacco contro...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 748 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I must impose a time limit of five minutes.

6.7 pm

Vicky Ford | 748 cc254-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill sets two important principles crashing against each other: on the one hand, the principl...

Richard Graham | 748 cc256-8 (Link to this contribution)

What a fascinating afternoon of different speeches. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Chelms...

Anna Firth | 748 cc258-9 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Bill’s aim to create the first smoke-free generation. It is bold and visionary, and...

Steve Double | 748 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

I am not naturally inclined to want to ban things—I lean towards the Government intervening as li...

James Grundy | 748 cc260-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise in an unusual position, because I smoke like a chimney, but I will give the Government the...

Preet Kaur Gill | 748 cc261-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to respond to the debate on behalf of the Opposition. We have heard powerful con...

Andrea Leadsom | 748 cc264-5 (Link to this contribution)

I want to start by thanking the many lung cancer and asthma charities, particularly ASH, for thei...

Dan Poulter | 748 c265 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. I draw the attention of the House to my entry in the Registe...

Andrea Leadsom | 748 cc265-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes such a powerful point and speaks with such authority. ...

Tim Loughton | 748 c266 (Link to this contribution)

If I had known that my right hon. Friend was such a keen smoker, I would not have recruited her t...

Andrea Leadsom | 748 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said ever since I met my hon. Friend at the age of 18, he is always right. I can never ...

Jake Berry | 748 c267 (Link to this contribution)

Before my right hon. Friend gets too furious about vaping, may I ask her to clarify two points on...

Andrea Leadsom | 748 c267 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for raising those really important points. As I will come o...

Kirsten Oswald | 748 c267 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way as she ploughs through all of this. I wonder whether...

Andrea Leadsom | 748 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is aware that there is already very restrictive advertising for smoking and vaping....

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