Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill
Thursday, 7 December 2023
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I remind Members that in Committee they should not address the Chair as Deputy Speaker. Please us...
I beg to move amendment 11, page 3, line 21, after “Act” insert
“, and of the Illegal Migra...
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With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment 12, page 3, line 22, af...
I know that the Minister for Countering Illegal Migration, my hon. and learned Friend the Member ...
I am happy to support my right hon. Friend tonight on this amendment, as I did last night. I am o...
I will come on to the exact points that my right hon. Friend is making; they are fair and importa...
At least the right hon. Gentleman has the strength to be vocal about what he actually believes, w...
It is a pity, but I cannot say I am surprised, that the hon. Gentleman sinks to those depths and ...
Is this British exceptionalism? Is the right hon. Gentleman making the case that the ECHR should ...
It seems as if we are having a dialogue of the deaf, because that is not what I said at all. I sa...
My right hon. Friend is, of course, right that it contradicts the long-established custom and pra...
I entirely agree with my right hon. Friend.
As somebody who has served on the Council of Europe and was proud to do so because of the United ...
That is not the point I am making. Once again, the hon. Lady is not listening. The point I am mak...
I want to address the point of law in respect of the Strasbourg Court. The difficulty with the ri...
No. There may be a good-faith disagreement between the hon. and learned Lady and me, but I do not...
I call the shadow Minister.
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship again, Dame Rosie.
Here we go again: it is d...
We have heard that before, but let us address the narrow legal point. Does the hon. Gentleman thi...
What we are seeing is complete shambolic incompetence in the asylum system, and if cases are not ...
On the point the shadow Minister made about political choices, he is valiantly opposing the Bill ...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments, but we have made it absolutely clear that the Bill i...
My hon. Friend is right about the purpose of the Bill, which is one of the most flagrant attempts...
I thank my hon. Friend for his powerful intervention. It is difficult to determine the true purpo...
The shadow Minister knows that our view on the Government Benches is that the problem cannot be c...
It is clear that in order to stop the Tory small boats chaos, we have to smash the criminal smugg...
The shadow Minister makes a good point about co-operation. He is right that the only way to tackl...
As I said yesterday, there are pragmatic, sensible things the Government have been doing that we ...
The mantra has been clear for many months from the Opposition Benches, including from the shadow ...
On safe and legal routes, as a priority I would look at things like the Afghan schemes, which are...
To draw the shadow Minister back to the amendments and the interim measures of the Strasbourg cou...
When we enter Government, as I hope we will, everything we do will be based on a test: is it affo...
If the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I will make a little more progress and then come back to him...
Order. It is the convention that any Member wishing to intervene should have been in the Chamber ...
Thank you, Dame Rosie. It is against the backdrop of chaos, confusion and “party before country” ...
Those who are worried about social media may also find it useful to use their phones in the Chamb...
My hon. Friend makes a very good point. As we have also seen in the letter that Nathalie Loiseau ...
It may be helpful if I clarify a few things. First, if colleagues wish to intervene, it is import...
Thank you, Dame Rosie. In fact I have two amendments—amendments 54 and 55—on which I wish to focu...
I work closely with my right hon. and learned Friend in a number of ways, as he knows, and I am w...
My right hon. Friend knows that the Attorney General is consulted on a variety of different legal...
I am pleased to hear what the right hon. and learned Gentleman has to say on the question of inte...
I suspect that what the hon. Lady is referring to is the statement of incompatibility with the co...
Does my right hon. and learned Friend, who has great experience as a former Attorney General, agr...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention. I know, Dame Rosie, you would not want me t...
It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Kenilworth and Southam (Sir Jere...
Without prejudice to the content of what the hon. and learned Lady is saying otherwise, may I sim...
I certainly will not be supporting the other notwithstanding clauses in the Bill, but I felt that...
The hon. and learned Lady is making a good point about the checks and balances that prevent arbit...
The Bill seeks to carve out a group of people coming to our country, or who are in our country, f...
I call the Chair of the Select Committee on Justice.
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh South West (Joanna Cherry) a...
I have great respect for the argument that my hon. Friend is making, and I defer to his experienc...
I think my hon. Friend needs to bear in mind that the application that was made to Strasbourg was...
In fact, further than that, there are already proposed reforms to the interim procedure, which wi...
My right hon. and learned Friend is entirely correct, and he and I would probably have very happi...
I am loth to interrupt my hon. Friend as he is describing not so much the separation of powers as...
I would make two points about that. In fact, I supported the noble Lord Cameron in that regard be...
Would my hon. Friend reflect on this fact about prisoner voting? I discussed the matter with the ...
That is why, as it happens, I will not vote against this Bill, because although I have some misgi...
I do not want to prolong the discussion about prisoner voting, but like my hon. Friend the Member...
I think that is right. As I recall, the UK Government put a motion before this House, which the H...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Sir Robert Neill), Chair ...
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way and giving me a chance to put him right. I off...
If the Minister is prepared to say that the only refugees who can come to the United Kingdom from...
I apologise if I did not fully understand the hon. Gentleman’s point in his question to me when I...
I am glad to accept that intervention, and the shadow Minister has made his point and I have made...
I will not take an intervention at this stage, because there are a few elements that I want to ge...
I appreciate the case the hon. Gentleman is making. My concern is that the Angesom judgment—I loo...
The hon. Lady is entirely right in the quote that she shares. It is fair to say that the Governme...
I spoke yesterday to the amendments that stand in my name and are potentially subject to Division...
I understand the argument that my right hon. and learned Friend is making, and I will not be dogm...
My right hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right. I think I have said outside the Chamber tha...
First, does my right hon. and learned Friend understand that there are those who argue that the r...
I have sources that I was looking at to research this speech. I will send my hon. Friend the link...
I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Member for his contribution. He would accept that the...
The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point. I hope that is taken up in the other place as well. As...
It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for South Swindon (Sir Robert Buckla...
Will the hon. Lady give way?
Oh, go on, then.
The hon. Lady is constantly and sarcastically evoking Winston Churchill. Obviously he did sign up...
I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman was not here earlier to be part of the conversation. I am sure...
I rise to speak in support of amendment 11, tabled by my right hon. Friend the Member for Newark ...
I am not sure why we have to be frightened of foreign courts. What exactly is wrong with a foreig...
I will tell the hon. Gentleman where we have a problem with a foreign court. In that scenario, wh...
Surely on that basis almost any deportation could be blocked, for few countries in the world can ...
I am afraid that my right hon. Friend is absolutely right to highlight that point. Article 3, and...
I will not give way.
Is it a forum that does not share our values, that has made decisions ...
I know the right hon. and learned Lady feels this passionately, but will she clarify her concern ...
NATO is not a court. I am slightly embarrassed that I have to make that clear to the hon. Lady, a...
Order. I now have to announce the results of today’s deferred Divisions.
On the draft Immig...
What a privilege it is to follow the former Home Secretary. The debate has really lit up. There w...
I will now announce the results of the Ballot held today for the election of the Chair of the Def...
I will be slightly unfashionable and talk to the amendment, rather than regurgitating some of the...
I have heard the hon. Gentleman make that point before about people who come and cannot be sent b...
I know it happens already. That is what I have been saying, and the hon. Lady at least credits me...
It is a pleasure to serve under your guidance this afternoon, Sir Roger, and to take part in a de...
I mentioned this question of global leadership in my speech yesterday for a very good reason. It ...
Of course it is a given that the law changes, and laws change via a variety of different means, i...
On the point about declaring a country safe, France, Germany and other EU countries have decided ...
I think on balance we would say that Albania probably is safe, and the bulk of returns we have ha...
The hon. Gentleman has just made a discretionary judgment on the safeness of Albania, having said...
I have never been an apologist for other European countries: they make their own decisions, but t...
Order. Before I call Sir John Hayes, may I remind the House that this is not Second Reading debat...
The debate on the Government side of the Chamber, as my hon. Friend the Member for East Worthing ...
I do not know whether the hon. Lady is the first or the second, but I happily give way to her.
Perhaps the right hon. Member would like to correct the record. Most people who come on small boa...
What we certainly know about them all is that before they got here they have travelled through sa...
I did not mean to intervene, but the right hon. Gentleman has tempted me. This is not a liberal t...
My opinion of the hon. Gentleman has soared to an even greater height. I knew he was the best of ...
Perhaps I could just elaborate on the point my right hon. Friend is making. What is most likely t...
My right hon. Friend explains exactly the point I was making. The intentions of the Bill are put ...
All the British people expect is real fairness and hearings with real judges. We have been speaki...
In that pithy intervention, my hon. Friend has described much of the fundamental problem of allow...
Will my right hon. Friend give way, on that point?
My hon. Friend the Member for Derbyshire Dales (Miss Dines) advanced so many compelling arguments...
People talk about the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg as if it were rather like our ...
It is that to which I was alluding. The separation that exists in this country between the judici...
There is a bourgeois liberal incarnate!
I exclude the hon. Member for Westmorland and Lonsdale. He is liberal but he is not bourgeois—at ...
He definitely is not.
The amendments that disapply the Human Rights Act are fundamental to ...
This has been a very interesting Committee, ranging from the metaphysical to MPs feeding each oth...
May I start by drawing the Committee’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financia...
I am so pleased that we are hearing this very clear explanation of the court and the judges; afte...
I am grateful to the right hon. Lady. I am not a lawyer, but I served as a magistrate in this cou...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner (David Simmonds). It...
It has been a very long debate. I have listened with intent to everybody who has spoken, and I ad...
It is a pleasure to contribute to this incredibly important debate. I was very happy to sign the ...
Will my hon. Friend give way?
I will not be giving way.
I will be supporting amendment 11 in relation to the Human Rights...
Just to take my hon. Friend’s point, with which I completely agree, even further, does he agree t...
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. There are intolerable pressures being placed on this country ...
That view is held not just by my hon. Friend, by many in the House and by many in the country, bu...
We have heard lots of arguments about the ECHR and about Winston Churchill forming it. That has b...
I am sorry to have got to the debate a bit late. I will talk in general about some of the amendme...
Does my hon. Friend recognise that we should be focusing on the practicalities of what is achieva...
Absolutely. If the Rwandans turn round and say, “We’ve changed our minds,” we will be in a world ...
My hon. Friend is making a series of important points. Does he agree that one of the reasons why ...
My hon. Friend makes a good point. Other parts of the country would do well to step up to the pla...
Turn around and face the Committee!
I am so sorry, I thank the hon. Lady.
Option 2 is that some of the legal appeals work and s...
What will make the liberal elite the happiest will be to see the Bill strangled in the courts bec...
My hon. Friend makes a point about the happiness of the liberal elites, but he is giving a subjec...
Is it not important to note that if the Bill is killed off on Third Reading, there is no opportun...
I thank my hon. Friend for that important point. In the WhatsApp group in which we were chatting ...
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. I am listening to his points with interest. As one who cou...
I agree and I thank my hon. Friend for his comments. If there was a chance of it moving further, ...
On precisely that point, is there not a further practical addition to my hon. Friend’s argument, ...
I thank my right hon. Friend for that intervention. It is good to see him.
On rule 39, the ...
My hon. Friend is making an extremely important point. Before he moves on to the last part of his...
I quite agree. I think that we are in danger of reverse-engineering a load of opinions on the Eur...
My hon. Friend is, once again, making some powerful points. Does he recognise that the number of ...
My hon. Friend has made a valuable point, and one that I was about to come on to. Why do some peo...
I have been agreeing with the basic thrust that it is the Bill or nothing, but may I gently say s...
My hon. Friend has made an excellent point. He is, of course, an eminent lawyer, and I, frankly a...
I am glad that my hon. Friend is making this point. I do not blame him because it is easy to elid...
I am delighted that my right hon. and learned Friend has intervened, because those are exactly th...
Order. Just before we proceed and I call Jerome Mayhew, can I gently say that it has not escaped ...
Thank you, Sir Roger. I should start my speech with a personal apology for not having been here f...
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that the massive amount of money wasted on the Rwanda plan woul...
I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, which allows me to highlight the Government’...
My hon. Friend is making an extremely important point, particularly on the costs. Is he aware tha...
I was not aware of that, but it adds grist to the mill and strength to the Government’s argument ...
My hon. Friend took an intervention from the hon. Member for Ealing, Southall (Mr Sharma), who ta...
The phrase “safe and legal routes” feels right, doesn’t it? It feels like we should be in favour ...
My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. This Bill is dealing with a lot of the pull factors...
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for those excellent points. They highlight one reason why t...
I find it frustrating when people, especially Opposition Members, talk about the need for safe an...
I am pretty settled with that last sentence. We have been a place of safety for about 80,000 from...
It is exactly that: the British people decided. Does my hon. Friend believe that the right approa...
My hon. Friend makes another good point. We must not forget that our asylum policy depends on the...
As the author of the safe and legal routes amendment to the Illegal Migration Bill, I will shed a...
I am in accord with every point my hon. Friend made. There is real anger on the doorsteps. I am l...
Will my hon. Friend join me in paying tribute to the East of England Local Government Association...
My hon. Friend is exactly right. My constituents are generous minded and welcoming, but they do n...
With your permission Sir Roger, may I on behalf of His Majesty’s Government pass on my sincere co...
Order. I am sorry to have to interrupt on such a sensitive issue, but Mr Speaker intends to make ...
I am very grateful for that guidance.
May I start by turning to those who have contributed ...
My hon. and learned Friend makes an important point about the extent to which the courts should a...
I hear what my right hon. and learned Friend says about section 3 and I agree with him wholeheart...
The Minister just said that there will be circumstances in which we will ignore pyjama injunction...
I could not have been clearer. There is the confirmation that we have the power, we would use the...
Will the Minister give way?
I will not give way.
We are unequivocal that that is simply not the case, and article 2 of ...
Will my hon. and learned Friend give way?
I will give way, but my hon. Friend must be conscious that we are up against a very tight deadlin...
On the statements he made with regard to rule 39 and so forth, can my hon. and learned Friend exp...
My hon. Friend has heard what I said on that point. I respect and admire him; he knows the esteem...
Will the Minister give way?
May I finish my point in response to the hon. Member for Belfast East? I hope I can reassure him ...
Amendment 11 has been proposed. Mr Jenrick, do you wish to press it to a vote, or do you wish to ...
With your permission, Sir Roger, I would like to withdraw it. However, if you are agreeable, I wi...
We will come to that in due course.
I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
6.54 pm...