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Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 11 December 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Michael Gove and Lee Rowley. The answering members were Matthew Pennycook and Angela Rayner.
Second reading agreed to on question; Programme motion agreed to on question. King's recommendation signified. Money resolution agreed to. Ways and Means resolution agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
742 cc653-714 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill 2023-24
Monday, 27 November 2023
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Michael Gove | 742 cc654-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Before proceeding to the heart of t...

Alexander Stafford | 742 c655 (Link to this contribution)

Many of the leasehold homes in Rother Valley were built by the National Coal Board to provide hom...


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Michael Gove | 742 c655 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The miners’ families and their descendants, whom he represent...

Stephen Doughty | 742 c655 (Link to this contribution)

I have raised concerns on behalf of leaseholders in my constituency on many occasions in this Hou...

Michael Gove | 742 c656 (Link to this contribution)

It is the case that this Bill covers England and Wales. Obviously the hon. Gentleman is aware tha...

Michael Gove | 742 c656 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to make one or two additional points and then I am happy to give way.

Personall...

Lord Beamish | 742 c656 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman says that traditionally it was flats that were leasehold, but increasing...

Michael Gove | 742 c656 (Link to this contribution)

I take the right hon. Gentleman’s point, but he is conflating two things. Help to Buy can be crit...

Julian Lewis | 742 c657 (Link to this contribution)

I particularly look forward to that part of the Secretary of State’s speech when he will tell us ...

Michael Gove | 742 c657 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an important point on permitted development rights. On the whole, I am...

Michael Gove | 742 c657 (Link to this contribution)

An embarrassment of riches! I will give way to all colleagues currently standing, and then I will...

Mark Tami | 742 c657 (Link to this contribution)

I represent an area with a lot of leasehold houses. It is just a cynical money-making scam. Some ...

Stella Creasy | 742 c657 (Link to this contribution)

One of the challenges here is the lack of voice for our constituents in trying to address the pro...

Michael Gove | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I actually agree that commonhold is the ideal form of tenure, but there are certain technical que...

Rachael Maskell | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

When we come to clause 27, will the Secretary of State clarify whether “best value” applies to le...

Michael Gove | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly true and I quite agree.

Munira Wilson | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State was talking about leasehold houses. I was recently visited by a group of r...

Michael Gove | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that it should be, and I encourage the hon. Lady’s constituents—as I am sure she has do...

Clive Betts | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

It is a little disappointing that the Secretary of State did not refer to the Levelling Up, Housi...

Michael Gove | 742 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman and his Committee for all their work—it was discourteous...

Natalie Elphicke | 742 c659 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way, and for the pragmatic approach that the Government h...

Michael Gove | 742 c659 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend. She and my hon. Friend the Member for North East Bedfordshi...

Matt Rodda | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for the way he is addressing this issue. Can I draw his a...

Michael Gove | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: a number of the people who have built, operated and retai...

Edward Leigh | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

I am not against what the Secretary of State is trying to do, but philosophically there is a reas...

Michael Gove | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

I quite agree with my right hon. Friend. There are good landlords, and the Duchy of Cornwall has ...

Rachel Maclean | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

When the Secretary of State is considering the evidence from the consultation he mentioned, will ...

Michael Gove | 742 c660 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is completely right. I will be looking at the responses to the consultation, and I...

Marsha De Cordova | 742 c661 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Michael Gove | 742 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that most of the people in the House are on the right side of justice, especially the h...

Marsha De Cordova | 742 c661 (Link to this contribution)

On ground rents, shared owners who have staircased their way up to 100% and become leaseholders o...

Michael Gove | 742 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I believe it will. I must now make progress because I know a number of people want to contribute,...

Stephen Timms | 742 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Secretary of State about the seriousness of the problem of excessive insurance p...

Michael Gove | 742 c662 (Link to this contribution)

Broadly on the whole question of insurance, I am due to meet the chair, Baroness Morgan of Cotes,...

Rachael Maskell | 742 c662 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Michael Gove | 742 c662 (Link to this contribution)

I won’t at this stage.

I freely admit that this Bill does not go as far as some in the Hous...

Richard Fuller | 742 c662 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, my hon. Friend the Member for Redditch (Rachel Maclean) an...

Michael Gove | 742 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I was going to say there are two other areas in particular tha...

Michael Gove | 742 c663 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly: the Minister is, like me, a great fan of the Marquess.

In that debate the opening ...

Angela Rayner | 742 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to open this debate on behalf of the Opposition. Let me say at the outset that w...

Lord Beamish | 742 c664 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree with what I said to the Secretary of State? The Government could ...

Angela Rayner | 742 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my right hon. Friend. The Government have been in government for 13 years...

Michael Gove | 742 c665 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady has made it clear from the Dispatch Box that she opposes excessive ground ren...

Angela Rayner | 742 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State, but he has just used the word “excessive”. If he wants to let me ...

Stephen Doughty | 742 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a strong speech, and she accurately describes the mental and finan...

Angela Rayner | 742 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. As I said before, and as I think the Secretary of State acknowledged, there i...

Alistair Strathern | 742 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that my right hon. Friend will welcome the strengthening of the regulation of managemen...

Angela Rayner | 742 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. I am so pleased about the work he has been doing since he...

Clive Betts | 742 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Following on from that point, when the Select Committee looked at this issue—it is a real problem...

Angela Rayner | 742 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree, and I congratulate my hon. Friend on his fabulous work in this area. Transpar...

Rachael Maskell | 742 c667 (Link to this contribution)

This is a point that I wanted to make to the Secretary of State as well. There is a long-standing...

Angela Rayner | 742 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that. Just as the Secretary of State earlier brought enthusiasm to the...

Peter Bottomley | 742 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

The House will be grateful to know that the official Opposition support what the Government are t...

Bob Blackman | 742 c669 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for what he is saying. Does he agree that, at some stage or other, these u...

Peter Bottomley | 742 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend and pay tribute to him for his work in this field. It is worth noting...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 742 c670 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Levelling Up, Housing and Communities Committee.

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Clive Betts | 742 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

Generally, I welcome what is in the Bill, as does the Select Committee, based on our 2019 inquiry...

Lord Beamish | 742 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill does not address issues associated with the growth in lea...

Clive Betts | 742 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

There are real issues with that, which I was going to address later, but I will do so now. It is ...

Barry Gardiner | 742 c672 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will remember that when the Labour Government overturned the case of Custins v. He...

Clive Betts | 742 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

I do remember that far back. Many will not remember the Labour Government’s ’67 reforms, but they...

Peter Bottomley | 742 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I should have included the hon. Gentleman and the Select Committee in my thanks, and I do so bela...

Clive Betts | 742 cc673-4 (Link to this contribution)

The Father of the House makes a very reasonable point. My point is simply that forfeiture is curr...

Stella Creasy | 742 c674 (Link to this contribution)

One thing I think so many leaseholders find frustrating with our current court system and the fir...

Clive Betts | 742 c674 (Link to this contribution)

That is an extremely good point. I do not think the Select Committee actually made that point, bu...

Rachel Maclean | 742 cc674-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to speak on this flagship piece of legislation, which will restore true home owner...

Peter Bottomley | 742 c675 (Link to this contribution)

On the case that Liam Spender has so rightly been pursuing for his fellow leaseholders, does my h...

Rachel Maclean | 742 c675 (Link to this contribution)

That is an excellent suggestion from my hon. Friend the Father of the House, with which I strongl...

Barry Gardiner | 742 c675 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady may not remember—but I do—that before the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act 2002 ...

Rachel Maclean | 742 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for the history lesson but, regardless, we are determined to fix this now...

Rachel Maclean | 742 cc675-6 (Link to this contribution)

No, because I need to make progress. Perhaps I will allow the right hon. Gentleman to intervene a...

Ruth Cadbury | 742 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for the work that she has been doing on this issue. However, she implies ...

Rachel Maclean | 742 cc676-8 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I am aware of that. When I was privileged to hold the position of Housing Minister, I s...

Stephen Timms | 742 cc677-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Redditch (Rachel Maclean), the former Housing Minister...

Barry Gardiner | 742 c679 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate everything that my right hon. Friend is saying. He will be aware, though, that many ...

Stephen Timms | 742 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point and I welcome his work in this area over a long period.

Gareth Johnson | 742 cc680-1 (Link to this contribution)

My speech will be brief, as I want to concentrate on one aspect of the Bill. Estate management co...

Peter Bottomley | 742 c681 (Link to this contribution)

The whole House will accept that my hon. Friend is rightly arguing for total transparency. There ...

Gareth Johnson | 742 c681 (Link to this contribution)

The Father of the House makes a very good point. I would like to see co-operation between compani...

Lord Beamish | 742 c681 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that management fees slowly go up in some retirement villages and ret...

Gareth Johnson | 742 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point, and it highlights how management fees undermin...

Barry Gardiner | 742 c682 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some excellent points. Is he aware that some companies managing resi...

Gareth Johnson | 742 c682 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard of those kinds of things. The same happens with park homes, and we are also trying t...

Marsha De Cordova | 742 cc682-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Dartford (Gareth Johnson). He is absolutely right ...

Bob Blackman | 742 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Battersea (Marsha De Cordova). Let me start by pay...

Barry Gardiner | 742 c685 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my constituency neighbour for giving way; if he is fortunate at the next election, he may...

Bob Blackman | 742 cc685-7 (Link to this contribution)

Longevity may run in my family, but not to the extent of 1,000 years. The hon. Gentleman makes a ...

Helen Morgan | 742 cc687-690 (Link to this contribution)

I have mentioned before that Liberals have been campaigning to end leasehold since the days of Ll...

Wendy Morton | 742 cc690-2 (Link to this contribution)

There is much to welcome in the Bill. It is all too easy to believe that leasehold affects only L...

Ruth Cadbury | 742 cc692-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak on the Second Reading of the Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill and to ...

Nickie Aiken | 742 cc695-7 (Link to this contribution)

Leaseholders at 8 Artillery Row pay on average £2,000 in service charges each month. The managing...

Samantha Dixon | 742 cc697-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to take part in this debate—it has been fascinating to hear from Members from ar...

Duncan Baker | 742 cc698-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be speaking on the Second Reading of this Bill, which sees long-term changes ...

Jim Shannon | 742 c699 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the hon. Gentleman for what he is saying. I know the Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill...

Duncan Baker | 742 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, and I think he is right. There are many good th...

Stella Creasy | 742 cc700-2 (Link to this contribution)

May I begin by echoing the comments of those on both Front Benches in supporting all those who, f...

Stella Creasy | 742 cc702-3 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister is nodding, he will know the amount of casework that small set of properties, onl...

Richard Foord | 742 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I have some casework that sounds similar to that which the hon. Lady is describing. It is at Pebb...

Stella Creasy | 742 cc703-5 (Link to this contribution)

I think even Del Boy had limits compared with some of the people we are talking about.

The ...

Ian Byrne | 742 cc705-6 (Link to this contribution)

It has been a privilege to sit here for five hours and listen to all the passionate contributions...

Matthew Pennycook | 742 cc706-9 (Link to this contribution)

I start by declaring an interest: my wife is the joint chief executive of the Law Commission, who...

Lee Rowley | 742 cc709-710 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to wind up the debate after so many useful, thoughtful and detailed contribution...

Clive Betts | 742 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for responding to that point. Will he look at strengthening the Bill to stop...

Lee Rowley | 742 cc710-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to look at specific issues in Committee. As the Secretary of State highlighted in...

Matthew Pennycook | 742 c712 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister touched on building safety. In the briefing notes on the Bill that accompanied the K...

Lee Rowley | 742 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

We are looking at what may be possible. We recognise that, while the Secretary of State for Level...

Bob Blackman | 742 c713 (Link to this contribution)

I asked the Minister to answer this question in summing up the debate. Will he undertake to inclu...

Lee Rowley | 742 c713 (Link to this contribution)

That is our intention, yes.

We have had a good debate today, which I hope—indeed, I know—wi...

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