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Sentencing Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 6 December 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Alex Chalk. The answering members were Kevin Brennan, Shabana Mahmood and Gareth Bacon.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on committal, proceedings in Public Bill Committee, consideration, third reading and other proceedings. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
742 cc383-453 
Session
2023-24
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Public opinion and understanding of sentencing. Justice Committee tenth report.
Wednesday, 18 October 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Sentencing Bill 2023-24
Tuesday, 14 November 2023
Bills
House of Commons
Correspondence with the Secretary of State relating to the Criminal Justice Bill
Tuesday, 28 November 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Alex Chalk | 742 cc384-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, that the Bill be now read a Second time.

It is a privilege to move Second Re...

Alberto Costa | 742 c385 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for giving way so early in his speech. Will he ...


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Alex Chalk | 742 c385 (Link to this contribution)

Let me take this opportunity to pay tribute to my hon. Friend. He has raised this issue on behalf...

James Wild | 742 c385 (Link to this contribution)

All the offences in clause 2 have a maximum life sentence, so the proposed new power to require o...

Alex Chalk | 742 c386 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for raising that appalling case. It is important to note that in ...

Richard Burgon | 742 c386 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Justice Secretary for giving way and very much welcome the introduction of the presum...

Alex Chalk | 742 c387 (Link to this contribution)

I am at pains to meet directly with the probation service—not just the leaders, important though ...

Philip Davies | 742 c387 (Link to this contribution)

As the Secretary of State knows, I do not accept the argument that the best way to protect the pu...

Alex Chalk | 742 c387 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for engaging with me so closely, carefully and constructively on the Bill....

Iain Duncan Smith | 742 c387 (Link to this contribution)

I have obviously looked carefully at the definitions relating to those who would simply not be in...

Alex Chalk | 742 c387 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend speaks with great authority about this point, and I agree with every syllabl...

Alex Chalk | 742 c388 (Link to this contribution)

Hang on, I haven’t given way yet. [Laughter.] I give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for S...

John Hayes | 742 c388 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is such a tease.

As my right hon. and learned Friend will ...

Alex Chalk | 742 c388 (Link to this contribution)

There are some important points to make about this. As my right hon. Friend will know, there is a...

Greg Knight | 742 c388 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way. He is being very generous. The presumptio...

Alex Chalk | 742 cc388-9 (Link to this contribution)

This is a formulation that is well understood by the courts. It applies, for example, in respect ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 742 c389 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just before the Secretary of State takes an intervention, I wish to remind hon. and right ...

Alex Chalk | 742 c389 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I give way to my hon. Friend.

Neil O'Brien | 742 c389 (Link to this contribution)

Are we really comparing like with like here? The statistics produced by the Ministry of Justice c...

Alex Chalk | 742 c389 (Link to this contribution)

I have looked very carefully at the extremely rigorous analysis that my hon. Friend has provided....

Alex Chalk | 742 c390 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit of progress, but I will give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for North W...

Kit Malthouse | 742 c390 (Link to this contribution)

As my right hon. and learned Friend knows, I support this move, and I said so when he made the pr...

Alex Chalk | 742 c390 (Link to this contribution)

That is a brilliant point, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. I think there is further that we c...

Alex Chalk | 742 cc390-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a bit of progress and then I will take an intervention.

Requirement to receive ...

Neil O'Brien | 742 c391 (Link to this contribution)

My only concern about the reply my right hon. and learned Friend gave me a few moments ago is tha...

Alex Chalk | 742 c391 (Link to this contribution)

I am certainly happy to look at the data, but whichever way we slice it, the central message is u...

James Daly | 742 c391 (Link to this contribution)

During my 17 years representing people before the criminal courts, by far the largest cohort was ...

Alex Chalk | 742 cc391-2 (Link to this contribution)

First, I pay tribute to my hon. Friend, who brings such expertise to the House and uses it in the...

Alex Chalk | 742 c392 (Link to this contribution)

I want to turn to the issue of exclusions, because they matter, but I sense that my right hon. Fr...

Kit Malthouse | 742 c392 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is being so generous—it is kind of him. Given what he has said a...

Alex Chalk | 742 cc393-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend gets right to the point. I would not be making this argument unless I had ph...

Shabana Mahmood | 742 cc394-9 (Link to this contribution)

We are here to debate the Second Reading of the Sentencing Bill, but it is impossible to consider...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 742 c395 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Justice Committee.

4 pm

Robert Neill | 742 cc395-403 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be supporting the Bill without hesitation tonight, and I hope to do so without indulging ...

Neil O'Brien | 742 c403 (Link to this contribution)

Just to clarify the point, the statistics that my hon. Friend cites show that for those who were ...

Robert Neill | 742 c403 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to have to say that my hon. Friend is just plain wrong on that, because that assumes t...

Robert Neill | 742 c404 (Link to this contribution)

But equally, there is perfectly good evidence to suggest that there is an incapacitation effect o...

Jonathan Edwards | 742 cc404-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to make a brief contribution to this Second Reading debate. I hope to add to poi...

Priti Patel | 742 cc405-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards), wh...

John Hayes | 742 cc408-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a product, I suppose, of living in an age infected with contagious liberalism that people i...

Jerome Mayhew | 742 c409 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a powerful point with which I substantially agree, but does he acc...

John Hayes | 742 cc409-410 (Link to this contribution)

That is a plausible argument, except that having a tag on your ankle is not a deprivation of libe...

Robert Neill | 742 c410 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

John Hayes | 742 c410 (Link to this contribution)

Now we will hear some more about the circumstances of the criminal.

Robert Neill | 742 c410 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my right hon. Friend will gently withdraw the incorrect attribution. What I said was ...

John Hayes | 742 cc410-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend did indeed say that, and it is the argument that I have heard repeatedly over deca...

Michael Ellis | 742 cc412-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Bill. If the House will indulge me, I will quote the great Sir Winston Chur...

Neil O'Brien | 742 cc413-5 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly welcome many aspects of the Bill, particularly the whole-life orders. They would have ...

Lia Nici | 742 cc415-6 (Link to this contribution)

There are parts of this Bill that I am sure my constituents will welcome, including the stronger ...

John Hayes | 742 c416 (Link to this contribution)

What my hon. Friend is talking about is stigma. There must be some stigma. Stigma is very unfashi...

Lia Nici | 742 cc416-7 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is, as always, absolutely spot on.

We need to start having these kinds...

Richard Drax | 742 cc417-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will concentrate in my speech on two issues: first, sentencing; and secondly, suggestions to st...

Rob Butler | 742 cc418-420 (Link to this contribution)

For the public, there are probably two things that matter most when an offence is committed again...

James Daly | 742 cc420-1 (Link to this contribution)

I find the wording of the Bill quite curious. I will limit my remarks to issues relating to suspe...

Lia Nici | 742 c421 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the issue is that non-custodial sentences are, frankly, often path...

James Daly | 742 cc421-2 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. We cannot have a debate about criminal justice simply on the basis that everyone should ...

John Hayes | 742 c422 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend saying that the Bill is inconsequential? If it is inconsequential, why do we ne...

James Daly | 742 c422 (Link to this contribution)

Frankly, it allows our independent judiciary and magistrates, sitting throughout the country, to ...

Neil O'Brien | 742 c422 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it would be wrong to steer our independent judiciary away from thi...

James Daly | 742 cc422-3 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. That is why such sentences exist and have been used for the past 30, 40 or 50 years. Sin...

Jerome Mayhew | 742 c423 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to be brief, and will pass quickly over clause 1 of the Bill, other than to welcome it...

Jerome Mayhew | 742 cc423-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will not. I am so sorry, but I have only a couple of minutes.

The quote gets to the nub o...

Andy Carter | 742 cc424-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will be relatively brief. As a member of the magistracy who spends time sentencing—in fact, I w...

Roger Gale | 742 c425 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Opposition Front Bencher.

5.42 pm

Kevin Brennan | 742 cc425-9 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a good debate on the Bill, started by the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for ...

Gareth Bacon | 742 c429 (Link to this contribution)

As this is the first time I have faced the hon. Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan) across th...

Roger Gale | 742 c429 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are a lot of Members entering the Chamber, for reasons that are apparent, who have n...

Gareth Bacon | 742 cc429-432 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I will respond to Members I do not mention individually either in w...

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