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Legislative Definition of Sex

e-petition debate on Monday, 12 June 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Tonia Antoniazzi. The answering member was Maria Caulfield.
Motion, That this House has considered e-petitions 623243 and 627984, relating to the definition of sex in the Equality Act 2010. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
734 cc1-46WH 
Session
2022-23
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Debate on e-petitions 623243 and 627984, relating to the definition of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010
Friday, 9 June 2023
Research briefings
Equality Act 2010: Sex
Tuesday, 24 October 2023
Written questions
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Judith Cummins | 734 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the hon. Member for Gower (Tonia Antoniazzi) to open the debate, I wish to make a s...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petitions 623243 and 627984, relating to th...


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Layla Moran | 734 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Member for giving way so early on. On her point about people being scar...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 cc1-3WH (Link to this contribution)

When the hon. Member listens to my speech, I think she will understand the compassion with which ...

Judith Cummins | 734 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Order.

4.40 pm

Sitting suspended for Divisions in the House.

5.5 pm

On re...

Judith Cummins | 734 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

The debate can now continue up to 7.55 pm.

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 cc2-4WH (Link to this contribution)

Some of those arguing that there should be no change to the Equality Act 2010 believe that trans ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 734 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a good and balanced speech so far. Does she recognise that when the Equa...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his contribution.

At the moment, there are more gender identitie...

Judith Cummins | 734 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind hon. Members that they should bob if they wish to be called. Also, those who wish...

Ranil Jayawardena | 734 cc5-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs Cummins. I thank the hon. Member for Gower...

Layla Moran | 734 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that intersex people exist?

Ranil Jayawardena | 734 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Lady will deal with that in her comments and that she will be staying for...

Judith Cummins | 734 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I ask Members to limit their speeches to around five minutes so that everybody can get in....

Joanna Cherry | 734 cc7-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is pleasure to serve under your chairpersonship, Mrs Cummins. I am supporting the prayer of th...

Judith Cummins | 734 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call Miriam Cates, I have to tell Members that will we have a time limit of five ...

Miriam Cates | 734 cc9-10WH (Link to this contribution)

When the Equality Act was passed in 2010, few doubted that Parliament’s intention was that sex sh...

Judith Cummins | 734 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Can I check that this is a concluded case, please?

Miriam Cates | 734 cc10-1WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a concluded case.

The women were discriminating against him because he was male, and ...

Hannah Bardell | 734 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mrs Cummins. I feel it is incumbent on me to make a point of order on the fa...

Judith Cummins | 734 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order because it is not a matter for the Chair.

Miriam Cates | 734 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Mrs Cummins. In response to the hon. Member for Livingston (Hanna...

Judith Cummins | 734 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady, but that is not a matter for the Chair. I call Dame Angela Eagle.

5....

Angela Eagle | 734 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

It is important that we try to detoxify this debate. I do not think the last contribution did so ...

Angela Eagle | 734 cc11-3WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way. I have only four minutes. Some Members are putting together things that ...

Angela Richardson | 734 cc12-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs Cummins. I rise to speak in support of the...

Jess Phillips | 734 cc14-5WH (Link to this contribution)

The status quo is not working. People who are speaking in the debate probably feel anxious about ...

Peter Bottomley | 734 cc15-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I have learned a lot from most of the speeches, especially the last one. Anyone who has missed th...

Rosie Duffield | 734 cc16-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate under your chairship, Mrs Cummins. I rise to speak in fa...

Nick Fletcher | 734 cc18-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Mrs Cummins. As we have heard, the petitioners wa...

Nia Griffith | 734 cc19-20WH (Link to this contribution)

The Equality Act 2010 protects against direct and indirect discrimination, but there has always b...

Hannah Bardell | 734 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

I commend the hon. Lady for making a passionate and common-sense contribution to the debate. I am...

Nia Griffith | 734 cc20-1WH (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. As a fellow lesbian, I absolutely agree with the hon. Lady; they are absolutely not a...

Andrew Lewer | 734 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve with you in the Chair, Sir George.

I want to talk about a specifi...

Kerry McCarthy | 734 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andrew Lewer | 734 cc21-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I will follow the example of the hon. Lady’s colleague, the hon. Member for Wallasey (Dame Angela...

Joanna Cherry | 734 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Joanna Cherry | 734 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member agree that the guidance he is reading out is simply wrong in law, and that t...

Andrew Lewer | 734 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly right, and it is why this clarity is needed. Here is another quote from BMA guida...

George Howarth | 734 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman has exceeded the time limit. Can he give one line by way of a conclusio...

Luke Pollard | 734 cc22-3WH (Link to this contribution)

In the spirit of calm and cool debate, I will say clearly my view on this matter, just as those o...

Luke Pollard | 734 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

I will carry on if I may. Single-sex services can and do exclude trans women at the moment, using...

Luke Pollard | 734 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

I will carry on if I may, because I am running out of time. It is important that we defend the Eq...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend give way on that point?

Luke Pollard | 734 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

I will carry on if I may. We need to be very cautious: that is not to say that everyone in the de...

Luke Pollard | 734 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, there are trans and non-binary women and trans and non-binary men and trans and non-binary ...

Tim Loughton | 734 cc24-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I think many people find it extraordinary that we are having a debate on having to redefine sex i...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 734 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

It is always difficult to talk about these sensitive issues. By and large, apart from some except...

Olivia Blake | 734 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. There is a risk in this House of us talking about GCSE biology rather than actually b...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 734 cc25-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that, and coming from a biologist that is important to note. People are complex. Tha...

Jess Phillips | 734 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

I have seen it come about that we now have non-gendered areas, and I have to say that I think the...

George Howarth | 734 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before the hon. Gentleman resumes, there is a Division. We will suspend the sitting for 15...

George Howarth | 734 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

Before Lloyd Russell-Moyle resumes, I should say that, because of the Divisions, the debate will ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 734 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

I want the flexibility for these things to be locally determined—proportional means for legitimat...

Jonathan Gullis | 734 cc27-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Gower (Tonia Antoniazzi) on her balanced approach at the start...

Nia Griffith | 734 c28WH (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Member like to clarify his understanding of the definition in the Equality Act? As...

Jonathan Gullis | 734 c28WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to make it perfectly clear: sex is not assigned at birth. You are born a man or you are bo...

Neale Hanvey | 734 cc28-30WH (Link to this contribution)

I have an observation to make before I turn to my remarks. I have worked in clinical practice for...

Peter Gibson | 734 cc30-1WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George. I congratulate the hon. Member for...

Kirsty Blackman | 734 cc31-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the petitioners who brought the petitions forward and the hon. Member for Gower (Tonia An...

Kirsty Blackman | 734 cc32-3WH (Link to this contribution)

No.

We already have a situation where people are gatekept for going to the toilet. We alrea...

Caroline Ansell | 734 cc33-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George. It is rather ironic speaking so la...

George Howarth | 734 c34WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. It is worth reminding Members that there is some concern about sub judice. When my co-Chai...

Anna Firth | 734 cc34-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George. I rise to support the first petiti...

George Howarth | 734 c35WH (Link to this contribution)

I call the SNP spokesperson.

7.16 pm

Kirsten Oswald | 734 cc35-6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Sir George. I thank the petitioners, the Petition...

Kirsten Oswald | 734 cc36-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way to my hon. and learned Friend or anyone else. I have not intervened on...

Joanna Cherry | 734 c37WH (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend give way on that point?

Kirsten Oswald | 734 cc37-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way.

The heat in this debate has appeared only quite recently. The p...

Kirsten Oswald | 734 c38WH (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to continue speaking despite interruptions from behind me.

We should accept tha...

Anneliese Dodds | 734 c38WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in the debate with you in the Chair, Sir George. I am grateful to every...

Stephen Doughty | 734 cc38-9WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point about the Equality Act. I agree that it has been protec...

Anneliese Dodds | 734 cc39-40WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right to point out that there is huge confusion about the Government...

Maria Caulfield | 734 cc40-1WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir George.

I am especially grateful to ...

Peter Gibson | 734 c41WH (Link to this contribution)

Members will have noticed that my hon. Friend the Member for Bridgend (Dr Wallis) has not returne...

Maria Caulfield | 734 c41WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making that point. I spoke to my hon. Friend the Member for Bridgend (...

Joanna Cherry | 734 c41WH (Link to this contribution)

Can I just be very clear that those of us who support the first petition are not seeking to defin...

Maria Caulfield | 734 cc41-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. For most people, their sex in law is the same as their biological sex. It is differen...

Jess Phillips | 734 c42WH (Link to this contribution)

It is interesting to hear the words from the very top of Government. I wonder if the Minister wil...

Maria Caulfield | 734 c42WH (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Lady campaigns passionately on those issues from her experience of working i...

Stephen Doughty | 734 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if the Minister has had a chance to consider the interim advice given by the United Nati...

Maria Caulfield | 734 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

As we have heard, there are many views on this issue. That is why it is important that we take th...

Joanna Cherry | 734 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being very generous with interventions. Is she aware that the United Nations spec...

Maria Caulfield | 734 cc43-5WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Lady highlights the diversity of views in this space. That is why it is so i...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 734 cc45-6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is our privilege and responsibility to weigh up different groups’ rights, needs, interests and...

George Howarth | 734 c46WH (Link to this contribution)

Before I put the Question, let me say that my co-Chair appealed to people at the start of the deb...

Legislation
Equality Act 2010
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