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Energy Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 9 May 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Grant Shapps. The answering members were Alan Whitehead, Ed Miliband and Andrew Bowie.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Public Bill Committee, consideration, third reading and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution and King's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
732 cc241-311 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Energy Bill (HL) 2022-23. Brought from the Lords
Tuesday, 25 April 2023
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Grant Shapps | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

For much of the past 50 years since...

Desmond Swayne | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I know it is early, but will my right hon. Friend allow me to intervene?


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Grant Shapps | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

If my right hon. Friend will give me a moment, I will make a little progress first, and he can be...

John Redwood | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Secretary of State that we need more energy independence and more domestic energ...

Grant Shapps | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an excellent comment, as ever, on interconnectors, but I would point o...

Desmond Swayne | 732 c241 (Link to this contribution)

On clean energy, I am very enthusiastic to see the hydroelectric generator that we used to have o...

Grant Shapps | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right about the importance of hydroelectricity in the overall ...

Grant Shapps | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a few moments; let me just make a few lines of progress.

All of this is ...

Alex Cunningham | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

We all celebrated the Government’s decision to move the Teesside carbon capture, usage and storag...

Grant Shapps | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman will know, Ministers must be quite careful when commenting on the quasi-jud...

Stephen Doughty | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State talks about powering up Britain, but perhaps he could take some lessons fr...

Grant Shapps | 732 c242 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to report that on what is, I think, a largely uncontroversial Bill, we are working v...

Lord Sharma | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the Secretary of State for the Bill, and I welcome its key objectives, as I think every...

Grant Shapps | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for his intervention. We will be looking very closely at the propose...

Alan Brown | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

It is fair to say that the amendment about putting a statutory net zero duty on Ofgem does not ne...

Grant Shapps | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about energy security, and about a tyrant costing all our constituents a fortune, ...

Caroline Lucas | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Grant Shapps | 732 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little progress, and then I will give way again. I just want to say a big thank you...

Caroline Lucas | 732 c244 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State say a little about hydrogen? As he will know, there is real concern a...

Grant Shapps | 732 c244 (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly the case that hydrogen comes with complications when it comes to home heating, wh...

Grant Shapps | 732 c244 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little progress before I give way again.

Turning to the contents of the Bill,...

Alistair Carmichael | 732 c244 (Link to this contribution)

CCUS is very important to me and to my constituency. EnQuest, the operator at the Sullom Voe term...

Grant Shapps | 732 c245 (Link to this contribution)

The reality is that the Government have committed to those targets, as has the whole House, becau...

Andrea Leadsom | 732 c245 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will recognise that, to keep costs down, to get electricity to the places wh...

Grant Shapps | 732 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I met my right hon. Friend to discuss some of the ideas in the report and I am grateful for all o...

Dan Poulter | 732 c245 (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot in the Bill that is commendable for improving energy security and decarbonising en...

Grant Shapps | 732 c246 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right that it is always easier not to expend the energy in the first...

Justin Madders | 732 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Secretary of State will be able to stay on to have the benefit of my constituents’ exp...

Grant Shapps | 732 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I have been following the discussions in Whitby in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency and I want t...

Alan Brown | 732 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Secretary of State giving way on this matter. Just on the point of hydrogen tria...

Grant Shapps | 732 cc246-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is a misreading of what the Bill does. I absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman: I refer t...

Andrew Selous | 732 c247 (Link to this contribution)

May I bring up the question of clean energy for aviation? In terms of sustainable aviation fuels,...

Grant Shapps | 732 c247 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend may know that I helped to establish the Jet Zero Council, which has been working f...

Grant Shapps | 732 c247 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to colleagues, but I will make a bit of progress first. We will also enable a co...

Stephen Crabb | 732 c247 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is being incredibly generous with his time. On this point about vital fuel...

Grant Shapps | 732 c247 (Link to this contribution)

To answer my right hon. Friend directly, I do not have concerns about the provisions, but I hear ...

Grant Shapps | 732 cc247-8 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I will make a little progress before I take the next set of interventions.

Offshore ...

Alec Shelbrooke | 732 c248 (Link to this contribution)

I want to bring my right hon. Friend back to his comments about energy security. The Bill outline...

Grant Shapps | 732 c248 (Link to this contribution)

I very much share my right hon. Friend’s concerns. I was recently at the G7 in Japan, where we si...

Debbie Abrahams | 732 c248 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way. This goes back—I was standing up a few mi...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 c248 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just a little reminder that, if colleagues intervene on the Secretary of State, it is cust...

Grant Shapps | 732 cc248-9 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. This does go back a little way, so it is worth reminding the Hou...

John Penrose | 732 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I compliment the Secretary of State on bringing forward this huge, much-needed and excellent Bill...

Grant Shapps | 732 c249 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Yes, I provide that commitment—the Bill attempts to do exactl...

Grant Shapps | 732 c249 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I will just make a bit of progress. I am concerned that others want to speak in the debate...

Christine Jardine | 732 c249 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State mentioned jobs, and research by Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has s...

Grant Shapps | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right about skills, and the skills gap is very important. I recently ...

Lord Grayling | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Grant Shapps | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I will just make a small bit of progress, and then I will give way again.

Secondly, we will...

Grant Shapps | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in just a moment. Let me make a little bit more progress.

Thirdly, we will ...

Lord Grayling | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend knows my views on sustainable aviation fuel, and I will come back to that sh...

Grant Shapps | 732 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will know that the world’s very first civil nuclear reactor was Calder Hall ...

Wera Hobhouse | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State rightly addresses the need to decarbonise and support industries that have...

Grant Shapps | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

Conservative Members believe in getting on and doing things, which is how we have ended up going ...

Grant Shapps | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

I want to finish my speech so that other Members can speak, which is only fair. As you will know,...

Grant Shapps | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, I will give way to the hon. Lady.

Anna McMorrin | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State. The Bill is sending mixed messages across the world, issuing 100 ...

Grant Shapps | 732 c251 (Link to this contribution)

As I mentioned before, we are working constructively across the whole UK on energy security. I am...

Bim Afolami | 732 cc251-2 (Link to this contribution)

Let me bring the Secretary of State back to the independent system operator and planner. We in th...

Grant Shapps | 732 c252 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to raise that concern, but he will be pleased to hear that that is exactl...

Grant Shapps | 732 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little more progress, as I am coming to a conclusion.

I started by describing...

Apsana Begum | 732 c252 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Grant Shapps | 732 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I will conclude, if the hon. Lady does not mind.

I hope Members across the House will recog...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 cc252-3 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The Secretary of State was generous with his time in taking interventions, not least from ...

Ed Miliband | 732 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I will begin by welcoming the arrival of the Bill to the House. I...

Katherine Fletcher | 732 c254 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman was engaging in palaeontological analysis. If I can bring him to the sli...

Ed Miliband | 732 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Actually, I was talking about onshore wind farms that had not just planning permission and consen...

Lord Grayling | 732 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Given the importance of nuclear and what the right hon. Member has just said, why did the last La...

Ed Miliband | 732 c255 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member wants to re-litigate the last Labour Government. Let us talk about the futu...

Alan Brown | 732 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Secretary of State give way?

Ed Miliband | 732 cc255-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not.

Let us talk about how we can get an energy system that is fit for purpose. ...

Bim Afolami | 732 c258 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way in an unexpectedly amusing speech from the Opposi...

Ed Miliband | 732 cc258-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have great respect for the hon. Gentleman. Let me try to explain the position. Nobody is talkin...

Nigel Evans | 732 c260 (Link to this contribution)

About 28 people want to speak in the debate, which is quite a lot. I will start with a time limit...

Philip Dunne | 732 cc260-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Southfork—excuse me, the right hon. Member f...

Alan Brown | 732 cc261-4 (Link to this contribution)

For once, I find myself in the unusual position of debating legislation that I do not intend to r...

Deidre Brock | 732 c264 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned energy efficiency. Is he as concerned as I am that there was no mention ...

Alan Brown | 732 cc264-6 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly share my hon. Friend’s concerns. It looks as if that is another Brexit dividend in re...

Nigel Evans | 732 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I call Chris Skidmore to speak for six minutes.

7.17 pm

Chris Skidmore | 732 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

I...

Hilary Benn | 732 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore). I agree wi...

Jim Shannon | 732 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I support what the right hon. Gentleman is saying. The Government should also consider hydrotreat...

Hilary Benn | 732 cc268-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, because I think we will need all the current technologies an...

Bim Afolami | 732 cc269-270 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn). I agree with a ...

Nia Griffith | 732 cc270-2 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Bill, but I must say that I am extremely disappointed by the Government’s paltry ef...

George Eustice | 732 cc272-3 (Link to this contribution)

This is a large and technical Bill that sets in place important frameworks, particularly when it ...

Alec Shelbrooke | 732 c273 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend touches on a point that I was going to raise later. My concern about the ban...

George Eustice | 732 cc273-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an important point. As the right hon. Member for Leeds Central said, w...

Jonathan Edwards | 732 cc274-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak on Second Reading and to follow the right hon. Member for Camborne and ...

Alec Shelbrooke | 732 cc275-7 (Link to this contribution)

In the short time I have, I will focus my comments on vehicle propulsion, but first I draw on the...

Mike Amesbury | 732 cc277-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Elmet and Rothwell (Alec Shelbrooke). Like m...

Lord Grayling | 732 cc278-280 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Weaver Vale (Mike Amesbury), but I have a differen...

Robert Courts | 732 c280 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a powerful speech focusing on exactly the right issue. As a former...

Lord Grayling | 732 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comments. He is an experienced former aviation Minister a...

Caroline Lucas | 732 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that hon. Members want to demonstrate cross-party support for net zero. Yes, by and ...

David Duguid | 732 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening to the hon. Lady’s speech with great interest, and want to pick up on one part of ...

Caroline Lucas | 732 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but I totally disagree. The option before us is ...

Caroline Lucas | 732 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not, I am sorry. Some climate limits mean that we need to change behaviour as well as ...

Maria Miller | 732 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Bill. I was...

Alec Shelbrooke | 732 c284 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that a lot more research needs to be done on where these storage ...

Maria Miller | 732 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right that there are hundreds of applications coming forward in around 35...

Justin Madders | 732 cc285-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to talk a little bit about the hydrogen village trials and the experience of the pro...

Elliot Colburn | 732 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

In the short time available, I want to focus on an aspect of the Bill that has not yet been discu...

David Duguid | 732 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in what my hon. Friend is saying about heat networks and wonder whether he might ...

Elliot Colburn | 732 cc288-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and it relates to a point that a number of colleagues have ma...

Wera Hobhouse | 732 cc289-290 (Link to this contribution)

Our biggest task worldwide is to get to net zero. We must transform our entire energy system. The...

David Duguid | 732 cc290-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is excellent to see you in the Chair tonight, Madam Deputy Speaker. Let me say from the outset...

Ben Lake | 732 c291 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (David Duguid), who was effective...

Anne McLaughlin | 732 c291 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member share my concerns, which I think are widespread, about the plight of people ...

Ben Lake | 732 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making that important point. I think we all agree that customers on pr...

Alexander Stafford | 732 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

As chair of the all-party parliamentary group on hydrogen, most of my comments will focus on the ...

Alex Cunningham | 732 cc295-7 (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by drawing attention to my roles as chair of both the chemical industry all-party pa...

Greg Smith | 732 cc296-9 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome many of measures contained in the Bill, not least the clear step forward in embracing n...

Peter Aldous | 732 cc298-300 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome you to your place, Madam Deputy Speaker.

This Bill is welcome, and it can play a ...

Selaine Saxby | 732 cc300-2 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is a crucial piece of legislation for delivering a cheaper, cleaner energy system and in...

David Johnston | 732 cc302-3 (Link to this contribution)

I wanted to speak in this debate for three reasons. First, like every Member of this House, I am ...

Duncan Baker | 732 cc303-4 (Link to this contribution)

When Russia invaded Ukraine and the energy crisis started, nobody would have thought that a small...

Alan Whitehead | 732 cc304-5 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a good, calm and well-informed Second Reading debate. Indeed, we have heard contribut...

Wera Hobhouse | 732 c305 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman think that it is important that we do something about methane flaring and...

Alan Whitehead | 732 cc305-7 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am happy to acknowledge that that is an important issue in the transition to net zero for ...

Andrew Bowie | 732 cc307-8 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by thanking Members for their considered contributions to the debate. It has been encoura...

Henry Smith | 732 c308 (Link to this contribution)

May I have an assurance that the five sustainable aviation fuel plants that our right hon. Friend...

Andrew Bowie | 732 cc308-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will write to my hon. Friend on that specific issue immediately following the debate, once I ha...

Andrew Bowie | 732 cc309-310 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, due to time. Members expressed concerns about coal. I reassure Members that ...

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