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Water Quality: Sewage Discharge

Opposition day on Tuesday, 25 April 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Jim McMahon. The answering members were Therese Coffey, Rebecca Pow and Alex Sobel.
Fourteenth opposition day debate (part one). Motion that this House calls on the Government to set a target for the reduction of sewage discharges, to provide for financial penalties in relation to sewage discharges and breaches of monitoring requirements, and to carry out an impact assessment of sewage discharges; and makes provision as set out in this Order: timetable for the Water Quality (Sewage Discharge) Bill on Tuesday 2 May 2023 and subsequent stages. Amendment agreed to on question (290 to 188). Main question as amended, agreed to on division (286 to 0). Resolved, that this House calls on the Government to set a target for the reduction of sewage discharges, to provide for financial penalties in relation to sewage discharges and breaches of monitoring requirements, and to carry out an impact assessment of sewage discharges.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
731 cc593-652 
Session
2022-23
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c593 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.

I ...

Jim McMahon | 731 cc593-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House calls on the Government to set a target for the reduction of...


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Jim McMahon | 731 c596 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress and take some interventions later—[Interruption.] Hang on; your moment ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c596 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I say to the hon. Lady and the right hon. Gentleman that, yes, the hon. Member has to ...

Jim McMahon | 731 c596 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker—we’ve 12 months yet. I will take interventions once I have made progress on...

Kelly Tolhurst | 731 c596 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, but I would like him to outline when he or the Labour ...

Jim McMahon | 731 c596 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome that intervention. I would also welcome an explanation to the hon. Lady’s constituents ...

Jim McMahon | 731 c597 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress.

This is an environmental hazard, a health hazard and an economic...

Sally-Ann Hart | 731 c597 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. The hon. Member said that he came to visit Hastings and spoke to...

Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c597 (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order, but I would say to the hon. Lady that, if somebody has been to her ...

Jim McMahon | 731 cc597-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to look into that point. As a matter of course, we always ensure when visiting th...

Jim McMahon | 731 c598 (Link to this contribution)

I will take an intervention shortly from the Opposition Benches.

Mr Speaker, do you know th...

Mike Amesbury | 731 c598 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. My constituency is named after the River Weaver, which is ...

Jim McMahon | 731 c598 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what this debate is about: MPs who care about the places they represent standing ...

Robert Goodwill | 731 c598 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think anyone would argue that we do not need to invest more in better water quality. Mor...

Jim McMahon | 731 c599 (Link to this contribution)

Honestly, I am staggered. I say that with respect to the Chair of the EFRA Committee. Our figures...

Kelly Tolhurst | 731 c599 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Jim McMahon | 731 c599 (Link to this contribution)

I have already given way once. Let me make some progress.

Last week, Labour published analy...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 731 c599 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Will he acknowledge that the only reason he is able to...

Jim McMahon | 731 c600 (Link to this contribution)

I am not one to offer advice to those on the Government Benches, but I will just say this to eage...

Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Seely, you are trying to catch my eye, but you will not do it by chuntering from that position...

Jim McMahon | 731 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. The hon. Lady will know that her own constituency has had nearly 2,000 sew...

Jim McMahon | 731 c600 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

The Government will blame everybody: the Victorians, devo...

Conor McGinn | 731 c600 (Link to this contribution)

One hundred years ago in St Helens we had chemical factories, coalmines, glassworks and no enviro...

Jim McMahon | 731 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is a really good point. Many people think that this must be an issue that affects our seas a...

Alun Cairns | 731 c601 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek your guidance. The shadow Secretary of State may have ina...

Alun Cairns | 731 c601 (Link to this contribution)

He is seeking to obfuscate responsibility—

Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c601 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have told you before, Mr Cairns, that when I stand up, I expect you to sit down. When I ...

Jim McMahon | 731 c601 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether Parliament can do some sort of induction for Conservative Members on how Pa...

Jim McMahon | 731 cc601-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress.

Conservative MPs should see this as a second chance, which every...

Paul Holmes | 731 c602 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Secretary of State give way?

Jim McMahon | 731 c602 (Link to this contribution)

Let me make this point, because it ties in with following the money and tracking back to the impa...

Jim McMahon | 731 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, as he has been persistent.

Paul Holmes | 731 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I note that the shadow Secretary of State’s paragraph on the Labour record was very short—perhaps...

Jim McMahon | 731 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that was worth waiting for. The hon. Gentleman was so persistent that I thought a g...

Jim McMahon | 731 c603 (Link to this contribution)

One minute. That will mean that where a discharge station is not in place or is not working, the ...

Anthony Mangnall | 731 c603 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made the fatal error of thinking that we are supporting the water companie...

Jim McMahon | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is definitely currying favour with the Conservative Whips Office, and I give h...

Lindsay Hoyle | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member wish to respond to that point?

Jim McMahon | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

I will come straight to the point: had the Conservative Government, in their 13 years in office, ...

Anthony Mangnall | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman answer my question now?

Jim McMahon | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman can answer this question for his constituents: over the last 13 years, why has...

Jim McMahon | 731 c604 (Link to this contribution)

A lot of Members have put in to speak in the debate and they have a right to be heard, so I will ...

Therese Coffey | 731 cc604-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from

“an impact assessment of sewage discharges;”<...

Stephen Crabb | 731 c605 (Link to this contribution)

Is my right hon. Friend slightly surprised by the tone that has been struck by the Opposition? Do...

Therese Coffey | 731 c606 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. The shadow Secretary of State is ambitious to take my j...

Caroline Lucas | 731 c606 (Link to this contribution)

The complacency that the Secretary of State is displaying is frankly shocking. Not one English ri...

Therese Coffey | 731 c606 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady should be aware that during the last decade we put in place legislation that made i...

Oliver Heald | 731 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that since the privatisation that has just been criticised, inves...

Therese Coffey | 731 c606 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right. We are talking about sources of financing. ...

James Sunderland | 731 c607 (Link to this contribution)

I listened to what the hon. Member for Oldham West and Royton (Jim McMahon) had to say, but under...

Therese Coffey | 731 c607 (Link to this contribution)

I think that is a polite way of describing what we heard.

Sewage overflows are not new. The...

Selaine Saxby | 731 c607 (Link to this contribution)

Would my right hon. Friend be kind enough to clarify to the House that in most cases, and certain...

Therese Coffey | 731 cc607-8 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. Facts are our friends in these matters, and it is important that we continue to ensure t...

Margaret Greenwood | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State will know, having grown up in Liverpool, how beautiful the coastal constit...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Lady is meant to be making an intervention, not a speech. It has to be brief.

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Therese Coffey | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

I share with the hon. Lady a love for that part of the north-west. I grew up there, and I used to...

Paul Holmes | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

The constituency that I have the privilege of representing has the River Itchen and the River Ham...

Therese Coffey | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Quite clearly, the answer is no. There would not have been the scrutiny that there is today, nor ...

Matt Western | 731 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Therese Coffey | 731 cc608-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will try to make a bit of progress.

After the many press releases, it is good finally...

Simon Baynes | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree with Law Wales, which states that

“Senedd Cymru generally...

Therese Coffey | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, as is the person he quoted. This is a matter that is dealt wi...

Alun Cairns | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

When my right hon. Friend introduced legislation, it was clearly aimed at England, but did she gi...

Therese Coffey | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

Understandably, the Environment Act principally addresses England. It is important that we respec...

Robert Goodwill | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the intervention from my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd South (Simon Baynes), does t...

Simon Jupp | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

East Devon residents are rightly disgusted by sewage in our waters, and so am I; I am glad that t...

Therese Coffey | 731 c609 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. We exercised the necessary foresight in drawing up the legislation that becam...

Matt Western | 731 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening intently to what the Secretary of State has had to say, and I admire her co...

Therese Coffey | 731 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I think I will be in Stratford-on-Avon in a few weeks, and I may well be able to find time to vis...

Katherine Fletcher | 731 c610 (Link to this contribution)

My father is a civil and structural engineer and I have engaged with him regularly on the subject...

Therese Coffey | 731 c610 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is wise in her years, and she is absolutely right. It is a case of trying to ensur...

Bob Seely | 731 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I listened closely to the speech from the shadow Secretary of State, which I have to say was pret...

Therese Coffey | 731 cc610-1 (Link to this contribution)

What can I say? When the right hon. and learned Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Keir Starmer) ...

Anthony Mangnall | 731 c611 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has just mentioned the important issue of water companies producing plans....

Therese Coffey | 731 cc611-2 (Link to this contribution)

I can indeed give my hon. Friend that assurance. We will continue to ensure that the licence fees...

Andrew Gwynne | 731 c612 (Link to this contribution)

This is not just the responsibility of the water companies, because it is not just water assets t...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c612 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We cannot have these long interventions, because too many Members want to speak. It is sim...

Therese Coffey | 731 cc612-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has raised a very specific constituency matter. I am sure that if he were to w...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c613 (Link to this contribution)

It is obvious that an awful lot of people want to speak this afternoon, so we will start with a t...

Sally-Ann Hart | 731 c613 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to apologise to the hon. Member for Oldha...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c613 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for setting the record straight with that point of order, and I se...

Chris Evans | 731 c614 (Link to this contribution)

In September 2021, I stood in this place and called for an investigation into the activities of D...

Hywel Williams | 731 c614 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman explain to the House why the recourse that we are expecting from the Labou...

Chris Evans | 731 cc614-5 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman will have to refer that question to the Welsh Government, but I thank ...

Alun Cairns | 731 c615 (Link to this contribution)

I understand and share many of the concerns the hon. Gentleman has highlighted, but does he recog...

Chris Evans | 731 cc615-6 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is probably enjoying my speech because he thinks that this is the respon...

Philip Dunne | 731 c616 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Islwyn (Chris Evans). I welcome what he said about...

Anthony Mangnall | 731 c616 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an extraordinarily important point about finding a balance between...

Philip Dunne | 731 cc616-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that in a moment, but my hon. Friend makes the valid point that there is not en...

Dan Jarvis | 731 cc617-8 (Link to this contribution)

Parliament debated sewerage in the summer of 1858, during the great stink. In every respect, it b...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c618 (Link to this contribution)

After the next speaker, the time limit will go down to three minutes.

2.8 pm

Oliver Heald | 731 cc618-9 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important issue, and I agree with the hon. Member for Barnsley Central (Dan Jarvis) th...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 731 c619 (Link to this contribution)

The time limit has now reduced to three minutes.

2.12 pm

Mike Kane | 731 cc619-620 (Link to this contribution)

Pope Francis said in 2015 in his encyclical, “Laudato si”:

“The earth, our home, is beginni...

Robbie Moore | 731 cc620-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to be here again with an opportunity to discuss this important issue. Improving wate...

Samantha Dixon | 731 cc621-2 (Link to this contribution)

We all dream of crystal-clear rivers winding their way through the beautiful British countryside,...

Derek Thomas | 731 cc622-3 (Link to this contribution)

We all care about this issue. I am a Cornish MP and know more than anyone how difficult the issue...

Liz Twist | 731 c623 (Link to this contribution)

Having discarded my carefully crafted speech, I will make just a few key points.

I think th...

Duncan Baker | 731 cc623-4 (Link to this contribution)

We are here today thanks to the work of the Environmental Audit Committee—work that was largely l...

Rosie Duffield | 731 cc624-5 (Link to this contribution)

To be frank, for the past three or four years, my team and I have had to discuss excrement on an ...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 731 cc625-6 (Link to this contribution)

Most colleagues on the Government Benches, myself included, have had a fair bit of what I like to...

Cat Smith | 731 cc626-7 (Link to this contribution)

Last year in my constituency there were 685 sewage spills, the total duration of which came to mo...

Tom Randall | 731 c627 (Link to this contribution)

Gedling’s southern border is the River Trent between Colwick and Burton Joyce. It is popular with...

Navendu Mishra | 731 cc627-8 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Secretary of State, my hon. Friend the Member for Oldham West and Royton (Jim McMahon)...

Stephen Crabb | 731 cc628-9 (Link to this contribution)

I support ambitious targets for reducing sewage discharges; I support stronger regulation of the ...

Claudia Webbe | 731 cc629-630 (Link to this contribution)

The water industry is a classic illustration of the harms of privatisation and the contradiction ...

Anthony Mangnall | 731 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. The Opposition have attempted to pretend that the Gover...

Rachel Hopkins | 731 cc631-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have the shameful situation where not one English river is classed as being in a healthy condi...

Sally-Ann Hart | 731 cc632-3 (Link to this contribution)

I stand with the people of beautiful Hastings and Rye, who are all quite rightly angry about the ...

Luke Pollard | 731 c633 (Link to this contribution)

Raw sewage is the perfect metaphor for 13 years of Tory Britain. It is hard to find an NHS dentis...

Ben Spencer | 731 cc633-4 (Link to this contribution)

I think we can all agree that sewage flooding is revolting. Few people know this better than my c...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 731 cc634-5 (Link to this contribution)

According to the Rivers Trust, in Salford alone, our waterways have been littered with thousands ...

Gagan Mohindra | 731 cc635-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have previously spoken in this House about my beautiful constituency of South West Hertfordshir...

Paula Barker | 731 cc636-7 (Link to this contribution)

The River Mersey in the great north-west of England meanders through the heart of the region and ...

Selaine Saxby | 731 cc637-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am perplexed as to why we need another Bill on this topic, particularly when it is uncosted and...

Matt Rodda | 731 c638 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. Before I start, I thank the Angling Trust, Surfers Agai...

Simon Baynes | 731 cc638-9 (Link to this contribution)

I serve on the Welsh Affairs Committee, and we have had two evidence sessions discussing the situ...

Andrew Gwynne | 731 cc639-640 (Link to this contribution)

It will come as no surprise to Members in the Chamber that I rise to support the Labour Front-Ben...

James Wild | 731 cc640-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak in this debate to make it clear again that the use of storm overflows is un...

Matt Western | 731 cc641-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North West Norfolk (James Wild). Let me start with...

Lee Anderson | 731 c642 (Link to this contribution)

Another pointless debate from a pointless Opposition—that’s what I am thinking today. The last ti...

Richard Foord | 731 cc642-3 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to tell a tale of two announcements. We are used to reannouncements, where the Gover...

Angela Richardson | 731 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)

Across the country, our beaches and rivers, including the River Wey Navigation, are vital for the...

Bob Seely | 731 c644 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. [Interruption.] Has the hon. Member for Hove (Peter Kyle) finished?...

Sally-Ann Hart | 731 c644 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises the work that Southern Water is doing on the Isle of Wight. We have a Fairl...

Bob Seely | 731 c645 (Link to this contribution)

Community schemes are a small part of this. People write to me and ask, what can a community sche...

Anna Firth | 731 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

Good water quality is something that everyone in Southend West takes extremely seriously. Our 1,0...

Tim Farron | 731 cc646-7 (Link to this contribution)

In Cumbria, it is our privilege to be the stewards not only of the fells and the dales, but of ou...

Alex Sobel | 731 c647 (Link to this contribution)

I will start on a positive note by thanking those who have actively engaged in this public health...

Bob Seely | 731 c647 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Alex Sobel | 731 cc647-8 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately we have limited time, so I will make some progress.

My hon. Friend the Member...

Alex Sobel | 731 c648 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the hon. Gentleman, with whom I co-chair the all-party parliamentary group on Ukrai...

Bob Seely | 731 c648 (Link to this contribution)

Earlier today, the hon. Member for Oldham West and Royton (Jim McMahon) made a truly dire attempt...

Alex Sobel | 731 cc648-9 (Link to this contribution)

When Labour left office in 2010, the Environment Agency said that our rivers were the cleanest at...

Duncan Baker | 731 c649 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Alex Sobel | 731 cc649-650 (Link to this contribution)

I think that time is against us—yes, you are indicating that it is, Madam Deputy Speaker—so unfor...

Nigel Evans | 731 c650 (Link to this contribution)

I now call the Minister, and remind the House that the Front Benchers can speak for equal amounts...

Rebecca Pow | 731 cc650-1 (Link to this contribution)

The debate provides a welcome and much-needed opportunity to set the record straight on sewage an...

Rebecca Pow | 731 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way, because there simply is not time.

I note that the hon. Member f...

Nigel Evans | 731 c652 (Link to this contribution)

We will vote first on the Government’s amendment, because the amendment simply deletes wording. S...

Nigel Evans | 731 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I remind Members that they really should follow their voices; I do not want to see a zero at the ...

David Davis | 731 c652 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. A little while ago, when Peter Tatchell came to visit me,...

Nigel Evans | 731 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for his point of order. I will raise this issue with the Serjeant a...

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