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Future of the NHS

Backbench debate on Thursday, 23 February 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Kate Osborne. The answering member was Neil O'Brien.
Motion that this House has considered the future of the NHS, its staffing and funding. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
728 cc347-402 
Session
2022-23
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
General Debate on the future of the NHS, its funding and staffing
Tuesday, 21 February 2023
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Kate Osborne | 728 c347 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the future of the NHS, its staffing and fundi...

John McDonnell | 728 c347 (Link to this contribution)

The crisis in dental and mental health is affecting our children at the moment. In some of our co...


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Kate Osborne | 728 cc347-9 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my right hon. Friend. The problems for our children further down the line...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c348 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate. This will come as a surprise to her, but I ...

Kate Osborne | 728 cc348-350 (Link to this contribution)

I will address my hon. Friend’s point in my remarks. This Government’s ideological commitment to ...

Florence Eshalomi | 728 c350 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making such a powerful speech on a really important issue. A fantastic...

Kate Osborne | 728 c350 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. We have all seen for ourselves and heard from our constituents how difficult it is to get an...

Richard Burgon | 728 c350 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this important debate and making such a powerful case. ...

Kate Osborne | 728 c350 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that if things do not change, that is exactly the route we are going down.

Rachael Maskell | 728 c350 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate. Does she acknowledge that this has already ...

Kate Osborne | 728 cc350-1 (Link to this contribution)

We are seeing this across the whole NHS, including dentistry, as my hon. Friend rightly says.

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Matt Hancock | 728 cc351-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to set out in this debate on the future of the NHS, with the experience of three years as ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 728 c352 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree that there is a moral case for healthcare free at the point of need in our cou...

Matt Hancock | 728 c352 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the right hon. Member for that intervention. I am not surprised that he agr...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 728 c352 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is being generous with his time. Is there not a fourth argument for a univer...

Matt Hancock | 728 c353 (Link to this contribution)

Two of my arguments for what the NHS needs to do better in the future are responses to precisely ...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c353 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the right hon. Member will acknowledge that a lot of the doctors who are now working in...

Matt Hancock | 728 c353 (Link to this contribution)

No, that is not right. There are record numbers in training, and the opening of the new medical s...

Florence Eshalomi | 728 c353 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Member give way?

Matt Hancock | 728 cc353-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will in a moment.

That inefficiency means that different parts of the NHS cannot talk to ...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Matt Hancock | 728 c354 (Link to this contribution)

I will make one final point before I give way to the two hon. Members who are seeking to interven...

Florence Eshalomi | 728 c354 (Link to this contribution)

To bring the right hon. Member back to the point he made about digital data and making sure that ...

Matt Hancock | 728 cc354-5 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, it is critical that people do not have to use a computer to access a universal service...

Margaret Greenwood | 728 c355 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member is being very generous with his time. We all believe that technology is use...

Matt Hancock | 728 c355 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, if somebody cannot use eConsult, they should be able to phone up or turn up in person,...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c355 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Member for giving way for a second time. It seems to be a common ...

Matt Hancock | 728 c356 (Link to this contribution)

I wish that I had been able to drive forward the use of technology even more than I did. I pushed...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 728 c356 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way again. I had to have a procedure the other d...

Matt Hancock | 728 cc356-7 (Link to this contribution)

I hear such stories all the time. We should separate out free at the point of use from not abusin...

Margaret Greenwood | 728 c357 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Member give way?

Matt Hancock | 728 c357 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way for the final time.

Margaret Greenwood | 728 c357 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member is being generous. I completely disagree with him about charging people for...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 728 c357 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The right hon. Gentleman has been generous in taking interventions, but I am conscious tha...

Matt Hancock | 728 cc357-8 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise; I have tried to be generous in taking interventions. It has been a positive and good...

Liz Twist | 728 c358 (Link to this contribution)

First, I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne), my constituency neighb...

Florence Eshalomi | 728 c358 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making such a powerful speech, and I declare that I am also a proud me...

Liz Twist | 728 cc358-9 (Link to this contribution)

I most certainly agree that that is a shocking figure. We need to make sure that we are really ad...

Rob Roberts | 728 c359 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to hear that Labour has a plan. Would the hon. Lady please share it with the Healt...

Liz Twist | 728 c359 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I thank the hon. Member for that comment, but I will stick to my constituency in the north-...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c360 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and I were in a meeting earlier this week with the regional care board, and it tol...

Liz Twist | 728 c360 (Link to this contribution)

That certainly concerns me and, yes, my hon. Friend is absolutely right to say that. Actually, I ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 728 c360 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about isolation and mental health, particularly for teena...

Liz Twist | 728 c360 (Link to this contribution)

It is absolutely right that socioeconomic factors have an impact on the number of suicides and le...

Paulette Hamilton | 728 c361 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises a valuable point. I am passionate about mental health, but at the moment we...

Liz Twist | 728 c361 (Link to this contribution)

I most certainly agree that there is a need for a mental health strategy. I have spoken to volunt...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 728 cc361-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to catch your eye in this important debate, Madam Deputy Speaker. I commend the ho...

Yasmin Qureshi | 728 cc362-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) for securing this important discussio...

Rob Roberts | 728 c366 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bolton South East (Yasmin Qureshi), and I congratu...

Yasmin Qureshi | 728 c366 (Link to this contribution)

You have been in power for 13 years!

Rob Roberts | 728 cc366-7 (Link to this contribution)

How right he turned out to be. However, he is watching it, and my phone has not stopped receiving...

Rob Roberts | 728 c367 (Link to this contribution)

They are saying it now—they cannot help themselves. It is endemic in their thinking, but it does ...

Rob Roberts | 728 cc367-8 (Link to this contribution)

I invite them to come to Wales and view the conditions in the north Wales health board, where onl...

Florence Eshalomi | 728 c368 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for making—a speech. He says that this is a political issue. Does he agre...

Rob Roberts | 728 c369 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. How easy would it have been to go out into the media ...

Kate Osborne | 728 c369 (Link to this contribution)

I fail to see how the hon. Member does not understand that these points are political. For 13 yea...

Rob Roberts | 728 c369 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but I am so exasperated by this. We hear from the Opp...

Rob Roberts | 728 c369 (Link to this contribution)

It has—although if Opposition Members want to argue with the King’s Fund, that is fine. But if NH...

Paulette Hamilton | 728 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) on securing this debate....

Rob Roberts | 728 c370 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I apologise to the House for interrupting the debate. ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 728 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his apology. As he said, it is important that we use moderation in...

Christopher Chope | 728 cc370-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Birmingham, Erdington (Mrs Hamilton) and to ...

Rachael Maskell | 728 c372 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the point that the hon. Gentleman is making. The knowledge and skills...

Christopher Chope | 728 c372 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a very good point, and I am glad that I gave way to her to enable her to make...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c372 (Link to this contribution)

The same problem applies to dentists, who have no responsibility whatsoever to work for the NHS w...

Christopher Chope | 728 c373 (Link to this contribution)

That, too, is a good point. I am not saying that the hon. Gentleman has necessarily got the right...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c373 (Link to this contribution)

One of the main problems with dentistry when it comes to resources is the difference between the ...

Christopher Chope | 728 c373 (Link to this contribution)

In fairness to the Government, they say that they are now looking at it—a bit late in the day, I ...

Rob Roberts | 728 c373 (Link to this contribution)

May I take up my hon. Friend’s point about dentists not taking on more work? The same applies to ...

Christopher Chope | 728 cc373-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree with that. I have raised this subject in parliamentary questions, and what have I had ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 728 cc374-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) for initiating a debate that enables us to disc...

Marie Rimmer | 728 c375 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with the sentiments expressed by my right hon. Friend. However, does he accept t...

Jeremy Corbyn | 728 cc375-7 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that the issue of recruitment is crucial, which means that the issue of training is cruci...

Marie Rimmer | 728 cc377-9 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) on securing this debate and on...

John McDonnell | 728 cc379-381 (Link to this contribution)

I want to get back to some statistics; I am sorry if I am going to bore the House, but I want to ...

Rob Roberts | 728 c381 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the right hon. Gentleman giving way and the tone in which he approaches the debate. ...

John McDonnell | 728 cc381-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is an extremely valid point that must be addressed. When some of us were doing health econom...

Jeremy Corbyn | 728 c382 (Link to this contribution)

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the impact of an inadequacy in healthcare provision falls on A...

John McDonnell | 728 c382 (Link to this contribution)

Anyone who has talked with them will have heard local police officers say that they have become s...

John McDonnell | 728 cc382-3 (Link to this contribution)

That’s right.

The social care figures are startling. Some 1.5 million people aged 65 and ov...

Rob Roberts | 728 c383 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is being very generous with his time. He will know, having been shadow C...

John McDonnell | 728 cc383-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman has made that point before. I looked at the Nuffield Foundation...

Alex Cunningham | 728 cc384-7 (Link to this contribution)

We can all be very proud of our NHS and the people who care for millions of patients every year, ...

Margaret Greenwood | 728 cc385-9 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) on securing this important deb...

Rachael Maskell | 728 cc389-393 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) for securing this really good, much-n...

Liz Kendall | 728 cc393-5 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) on securing this important deb...

Rob Roberts | 728 c395 (Link to this contribution)

If Labour Members have this plan, have they communicated it to the Welsh Health Minister? Why is ...

Rob Roberts | 728 c395 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a political matter! These issues affect the entire United Kingdom. Does the hon. Lady a...

Liz Kendall | 728 c395 (Link to this contribution)

May I gently say to the hon. Gentleman that I know what is best for his constituents and the peop...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 728 c395 (Link to this contribution)

I listened very carefully to what the leader of the hon. Lady’s party said on the “Today” program...

Liz Kendall | 728 cc395-7 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, we have properly costed these proposals, because we—unlike the hon. Gentleman’s party, which...

Neil O'Brien | 728 cc397-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Member for Jarrow (Kate Osborne) for securing this very important debat...

Liz Kendall | 728 c398 (Link to this contribution)

Will that long-term workforce plan include social care staff?

Neil O'Brien | 728 cc398-400 (Link to this contribution)

It will be right across the piece. We have already set out some of our plans for social care, and...

Kate Osborne | 728 c399 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify something for me? He talks about the workforce plan. Can he tell us whet...

Neil O'Brien | 728 c399 (Link to this contribution)

It will be about both what is needed over time—some of the time horizons might be longer—and what...

Kate Osborne | 728 c399 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way again?

Neil O'Brien | 728 c399 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a bit of progress. I am sorry, but I will perhaps come back to the hon. Lady in a ...

Liz Kendall | 728 c399 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has repeatedly used this £7.5 billion extra for social care figure, but will he conf...

Neil O'Brien | 728 cc399-401 (Link to this contribution)

Is that not a revealing comment from the Opposition? The Government do not have any money. All th...

Alex Cunningham | 728 c401 (Link to this contribution)

I got the impression the Minister was winding up; I just ask him to commit to looking at the issu...

Neil O'Brien | 728 c401 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to make that commitment.

Christopher Chope | 728 c401 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has not covered the issue of productivity. He has mentioned, quite rightly, that the...

Neil O'Brien | 728 c401 (Link to this contribution)

I am as keen as my hon. Friend to explore all those different things and I am happy to take them ...

Nigel Evans | 728 c401 (Link to this contribution)

The final word goes to Kate Osborne.

4.22 pm

Kate Osborne | 728 cc401-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank everyone who has contributed today. I also thank all NHS staff who are taking industrial ...

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