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National Insurance Contributions (Increase of Thresholds) Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 24 March 2022, in the House of Commons, led by Lucy Frazer and Simon Clarke. The answering members were James Murray and Abena Oppong-Asare.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Committed to a Committee of the Whole House. Money resolution. Queen's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
711 cc461-511 
Session
2021-22
Department
Treasury
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Simon Clarke | 711 c462 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Yesterday, the Chancellor announced...

Andrew Jones | 711 c462 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an important point. One of the most telling stats revealed yesterday w...


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Simon Clarke | 711 c462 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The sum of £83 billion dwarfs most Departments: it is the equ...

Meg Hillier | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that the poorest and most vulnerable lose out, but under the Government’s propo...

Simon Clarke | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

I would say two things. First, there is a raft of measures in place in the package announced yest...

Simon Clarke | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to another predecessor.

Stephen Timms | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

It has been reported overnight that people on universal credit will see only about half of the ga...

Simon Clarke | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

We are determined to help people on universal credit to keep more of what they earn. I have not s...

Ruth Edwards | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm what the Institute for Fiscal Studies has said—that, contrary to claims ...

Simon Clarke | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her question. There is no doubt at all that we have targeted the actio...

Jim Shannon | 711 c463 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for the answers that he is giving. While I absolutely welcome the increase i...

Simon Clarke | 711 c464 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is a fantastic contributor to this place and he takes a keen interest in looki...

Clive Betts | 711 c464 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has talked about one side of the budget. The other side of the budget is spending. L...

Simon Clarke | 711 c464 (Link to this contribution)

As a former local government Minister, I hope the hon. Gentleman knows that I do value the impact...

Ian Mearns | 711 c465 (Link to this contribution)

I am wondering how the Minister would suggest that a local authority such as mine in Gateshead in...

Simon Clarke | 711 c465 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for alluding to his experience in local government. I would s...

Alberto Costa | 711 c465 (Link to this contribution)

We are here to discuss the national insurance contributions increase. The national insurance pers...

Simon Clarke | 711 c465 (Link to this contribution)

I can give my hon. Friend that confirmation. I will expand on that later, because it is a major s...

Ruth Edwards | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm that, as a result of the changes we are making today, 70% of workers wil...

Simon Clarke | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and we cannot emphasise that enough. We are determined to add...

Jacob Young | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend recognise the calculation by the Institute for Fiscal Studies that it i...

Simon Clarke | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I absolutely do recognise what my hon. Friend says. The IFS has described raising the NIC...

Stephen Timms | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Mike Brewer, who used to be with the Institute for Fiscal Studies, has said this morning about th...

Simon Clarke | 711 c466 (Link to this contribution)

As I said in response to the right hon. Gentleman’s earlier remark, I will of course look at what...

David Evennett | 711 c467 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a powerful and informative speech. I welcome this Bill, as will my...

Simon Clarke | 711 c467 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right in saying that we want a simpler tax system, and we want...

Sally-Ann Hart | 711 c467 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will know that my beautiful constituency of Hastings and Rye has residents w...

Simon Clarke | 711 c467 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her question. She is a fantastic champion for Hastings and Rye, which ...

Stephen Timms | 711 c467 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Simon Clarke | 711 cc467-8 (Link to this contribution)

I should make some further progress, I think.

The Government recognise that implementing th...

Shaun Bailey | 711 c468 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend; he is being incredibly generous with his time. May I just ...

Simon Clarke | 711 c468 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right to raise this issue. The Financial Secretary to the Treasury w...

Stephen Timms | 711 c468 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Chief Secretary to the Treasury give way?

Stephen Timms | 711 c468 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman and I apologise for intervening once again. He has made...

Simon Clarke | 711 cc468-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that point. My right hon. and learned Friend the Financial S...

Matt Rodda | 711 c469 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Chief Secretary to the Treasury for giving way and for his reassurance to people cont...

Simon Clarke | 711 c469 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question and I recognise the sincere spirit in which he asks i...

James Sunderland | 711 c470 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will know that Bracknell is blessed with one of the lowest rates of unemployment in ...

Simon Clarke | 711 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his question. It is a fantastic success that Bracknell enjoys very low...

James Murray | 711 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

As we debate the Bill, I cannot help but notice it is becoming a bad habit of this Chancellor to ...

Gareth Davies | 711 c471 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that 14% of the highest earners in this country will pay 50% ...

James Murray | 711 c471 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, we have debated the increase in national insurance at length, and to...

Alberto Costa | 711 c471 (Link to this contribution)

At the outset of his speech, the hon. Gentleman criticised the Chancellor for being a tax cutter,...

James Murray | 711 c471 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, we are critical of the Chancellor for his desperate attempts to appe...

Matt Rodda | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the work that my hon. Friend is carrying out on this important matter, because ...

James Murray | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend is a champion for his constituents, and in challenging the Government ...

Jacob Young | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution)

Let me take the hon. Gentleman back a few moments. He said that he was not debating the national ...

James Murray | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution)

I do not recall whether the hon. Gentleman was present in the debate on the health and social car...

James Daly | 711 c472 (Link to this contribution)

In light of the hon. Gentleman’s commitment to reducing the tax burden on hard-working people, wi...

James Murray | 711 c473 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a number of comments about what is within the scope of this debate, and I suspect tha...

Sally-Ann Hart | 711 c473 (Link to this contribution)

If the Opposition had to plan for a spring statement, would they rule out raising income tax?

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James Murray | 711 c473 (Link to this contribution)

We have made it very clear that we believe in a fair taxation system. The key point for us in the...

Matt Western | 711 c473 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. It is worth putting that last point in context. The c...

James Murray | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right that there is a huge opportunity to levy a one-off windfall ta...

James Murray | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress. The record shows that the Chancellor likes putting up taxes. He...

James Murray | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the hon. Lady; the hon. Gentleman has already made several comments.

Sarah Atherton | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman. I am interested in what the Opposition are saying about not raising t...

James Murray | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I repeat a principle I mentioned earlier to the hon. Member for Bury North (James Daly): the remi...

Alberto Costa | 711 c474 (Link to this contribution)

Would it not have been better for the Labour Administration to have approved new nuclear power st...

James Murray | 711 c475 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, his party has been in power for the past 12 years. We have set out c...

Matt Western | 711 c475 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, the Labour Government were the first to put in place the Climate Change Act 2008—t...

James Murray | 711 c475 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making an important point about the last Labour Government and drawing...

James Murray | 711 c475 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

Perhaps the most desperate part of the Chancellor’s pitch...

Richard Drax | 711 cc475-6 (Link to this contribution)

Madam Deputy Speaker, I am not used to being called first—this must be the first time. I am grate...

Jacob Young | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, my hon. Friend will recognise that the inflation statistics paint a stark economic pic...

Richard Drax | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely concur. Yes, inflation is now spiralling to 7%, I think, and more across the rest of t...

Sally-Ann Hart | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend confirm that every single Labour Government have raised taxes rather than low...

Richard Drax | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I totally concur with that comment. Regrettably, Labour will do it again and again and again —tha...

Matt Western | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

That is not entirely true. As far as I can recall, back in 2010, VAT was 15%. It was increased by...

Richard Drax | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I agree to the extent that I do not like any tax. However, if there is a note saying that “there ...

Wera Hobhouse | 711 c476 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Member does not like any tax, and given that we have heard that VAT has been raised t...

Richard Drax | 711 c477 (Link to this contribution)

In an ideal world, I would like to scrap VAT—[Interruption.] I would love to scrap it altogether....

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 711 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Scottish National party spokesperson, Richard Thomson.

12.44 pm

Richard Thomson | 711 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

May I say what a pleasure it is to follow the hon. Member for South Dorset (Richard Drax), whose ...

Alberto Costa | 711 c479 (Link to this contribution)

The SNP has been in uninterrupted governance of Scotland since 2007. During those 15 very long ye...

Richard Thomson | 711 c479 (Link to this contribution)

I presume that the hon. Member is a supporter of the present constitutional set-up. I know that h...

James Daly | 711 c479 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made some points about the record of the Scottish National party Governmen...

Richard Thomson | 711 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said, 54% of Scots are paying lower rates of tax than they would be paying if they live...

Anthony Browne | 711 c480 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member has described this as a tax increase, and obviously it will raise revenue, but do...

Richard Thomson | 711 cc480-1 (Link to this contribution)

Raising the threshold will certainly take some people out of the scope of the measure that was pr...

Jacob Young | 711 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Gordon (Richard Thomson).

The increasingly u...

Marie Rimmer | 711 cc482-3 (Link to this contribution)

It has been interesting to listen to the speech from the hon. Member for Redcar (Jacob Young), bu...

Anthony Browne | 711 c483 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member makes the case against the rise in national insurance and for a one-off windfall ...

Marie Rimmer | 711 c483 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept what the Member says.

The tax burden is at its highest in 70 years, and it ...

Paul Bristow | 711 c483 (Link to this contribution)

When it comes to challenging rising costs and what measures the Government can put in place to ad...

Paul Bristow | 711 cc483-5 (Link to this contribution)

Like my hon. Friend’s mother-in-law. I went to a “politics and a pint” pub surgery in the Oxcart ...

Gareth Davies | 711 c484 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and constituency neighbour is a great champion of everyone in Peterborough, and I ...

Paul Bristow | 711 c484 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and constituency neighbour makes an important point, and it is another example of ...

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 c484 (Link to this contribution)

No one opposes this Bill, but it gives us an opportunity to reflect on yesterday’s spring stateme...

Jacob Young | 711 c486 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady accept this measure helps not only people who drive but hauliers, who move imp...

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 c486 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the measure helps other people, but the reality is that we have seen an increase, on ave...

Gareth Davies | 711 c486 (Link to this contribution)

I point out to the hon. Lady that 200,000 fewer pensioners are in absolute poverty now than were ...

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for putting that on the record, but we are looking at 1.3 million addi...

Jacob Young | 711 c487 (Link to this contribution)

I am very interested in the hon. Lady’s arguments on a VAT cut, which is something I would consid...

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution)

The purpose of the VAT cut is to increase the economy and increase productivity, and therefore se...

Helen Morgan | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the proposed changes to the national insurance thresholds are disa...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Interventions have to be quite short.

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I also thank my hon. Friend for her intervention. We know that t...

Anthony Browne | 711 c488 (Link to this contribution)

I was intrigued by the hon. Lady’s comments that a VAT cut would increase economic activity, lead...

Wendy Chamberlain | 711 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

I find it interesting, given the criticism always given to those on this side in relation to the ...

Alexander Stafford | 711 c489 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for North East Fife (Wendy Chamberlain). Watching today...

Anthony Browne | 711 c489 (Link to this contribution)

I very much welcome the fact that my hon. Friend mentioned the fiscal background, which is that w...

Alexander Stafford | 711 cc489-490 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, we all have to live within our means: we cannot just keep on spending money. It was ri...

Richard Thomson | 711 c490 (Link to this contribution)

According to the IFS, median earners on around £27,500 can expect to be around £400 worse off in ...

Alexander Stafford | 711 c490 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that interesting point, but it is clear that 70% of working people...

Jacob Young | 711 c490 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recognise, as the Chief Secretary to the Treasury did earlier, that the IFS f...

Alexander Stafford | 711 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my hon. Friend’s point. This is a Bill that really helps people because i...

Gareth Davies | 711 c491 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a fantastic and eloquent speech. Is he aware that last year unemployment...

Alexander Stafford | 711 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I was not aware of that exact point, but it does not surprise me because that is generally what h...

Rachel Hopkins | 711 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

The Chancellor’s spring statement left households and businesses across Luton South to fend for t...

Jacob Young | 711 c492 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady mentioned the health and social care levy; does she recognise the point made earlie...

Rachel Hopkins | 711 c492 (Link to this contribution)

There are many ways to cut a cake. The people in my constituency know what fairness is and they k...

Jacob Young | 711 c492 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about the second tranche of the household support fund. The first tranche of £500 ...

Rachel Hopkins | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution)

I am really pleased that the hon. Member is able to remember that figure; I hope he is also able ...

Rachel Hopkins | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

The household support fund is simply a short-term solutio...

James Daly | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Luton South (Rachel Hopkins), who made a passionat...

Richard Thomson | 711 c493 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman is confusing cause and effect with the complicated system for forecast...

James Daly | 711 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely not. The SNP has found a way of raising taxes that penalises their own citizens and ra...

Alexander Stafford | 711 c494 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my hon. Friend’s point about clean air. Does he agree that there will be ...

James Daly | 711 cc494-5 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. We should be looking at ways to support our hauliers and others who are relia...

John McDonnell | 711 cc495-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I remind my hon. Friend the Member for Luton South (Rachel Hopki...

James Daly | 711 c496 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is making a very thoughtful speech. Among his proposals is a cap on prof...

John McDonnell | 711 c496 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think the hon. Gentleman heard me properly. I was referring to the energy companies, spe...

Shaun Bailey | 711 cc496-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is, actually, a pleasure to follow the considered and well thought out speech of the right hon...

Jacob Young | 711 c499 (Link to this contribution)

One of the oil and gas companies whose name is batted around the Chamber is BP. BP is investing m...

Shaun Bailey | 711 cc500-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has been endowed with some form of clairvoyance today; it is almost as if has seen...

Jacob Young | 711 c501 (Link to this contribution)

Yesterday, the Chancellor published his tax plan, which sets a course for the first income tax cu...

Shaun Bailey | 711 c501 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right; it is the certainty in that plan that allows us to move forwa...

James Daly | 711 c501 (Link to this contribution)

One of the measures our right hon. Friend the Chancellor announced yesterday was an increase in t...

Shaun Bailey | 711 cc501-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a strong point. It goes without saying that the funding is vital for my cons...

Matt Western | 711 cc502-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak today, having been unable to get in yesterday.

Clearly, as we hav...

Jacob Young | 711 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I assume that the hon. Gentleman is supporting the Bill; I think his Front Benchers have indicate...

Matt Western | 711 cc503-4 (Link to this contribution)

Of course Chancellors want to do all sorts of things. The prospect of this Chancellor actually be...

Nigel Evans | 711 c504 (Link to this contribution)

That leaves, by my reckoning, just under 12 minutes each for the Front Benchers, starting with Ab...

Abena Oppong-Asare | 711 cc504-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to respond to this Second Reading debate on behalf of the official Opposition. I...

Lucy Frazer | 711 cc506-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to close this debate on behalf of the Government. We have heard many excellent ...

Matt Western | 711 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point, and none of us really wants to see short-term measures, but in difficult ...

Lucy Frazer | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution)

As we know, there is energy price volatility in that the price of oil and gas will be going up an...

Lucy Frazer | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to carry on, because there are a lot of points to which I would like to respond and I ...

Stephen Timms | 711 c508 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned Martin Lewis, and I wonder if she could provide the information that the C...

Lucy Frazer | 711 cc508-510 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to come back to that point, but I am very happy to deal with it now. My right hon. Fr...

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