Virtual Participation in Debate
Thursday, 4 June 2020
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Mr Speaker has selected the amendment in the name of John Baron.
As this matter has been much discussed in this House, I will move it formally.
Motion made,...
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Quite frankly, I am astonished that the Leader of the House has decided to move this motion forma...
Has the right hon. Lady reflected, as I have, on the fact that for so long the Government have sp...
I agree with the hon. Member. He will know how important it is for people with other responsibili...
Does my right hon. Friend agree that this is also incredibly sensitive? Many Members may have a m...
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I have frequently asked from this Dispatch Box, dur...
My right hon. Friend referred to Members not being children, and my view is that it is wholly ina...
I am extremely disturbed, because I had no notice, as shadow Leader of the House, that the Govern...
This is also a discourtesy because some Members of the House had considerable objections to the m...
Order. The right hon. Gentleman is not addressing the matter before us. I am not having filibuste...
Madam Deputy Speaker, that was a question that I am really happy to answer, because the matter ar...
I understand that the right hon. Lady is, as always, behaving honourably and that she is giving a...
Order. No hon. Member will interrupt when I am speaking. It is perfectly reasonable for the right...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is it, however, in order for the Leader of the House t...
That is not a matter for the Chair, because it is in order for the Leader of the House to arrange...
Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.
As I understand it, that means that y...
I had—up until this moment—every intention of calling the hon. Gentleman. I saw when he came into...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I just want to be clear about what time I arrived here...
I will take no further points of that kind; thank you. I call Valerie Vaz.
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am disappointed, saddened and alarmed, because this House has ...
My right hon. Friend is making a really important point about this House being gagged. I sat thro...
I want to address that point. We had a debate last week where a perfectly reasonable person, who ...
My right hon. Friend has just raised a very serious concern about someone being blocked for a job...
Order. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman was not in the Chamber when I made it very clear that the matte...
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.
I am grateful to the shadow Leader of the House for giving way so quickly and for allowing me to ...
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I know how assiduous he is in his work as the Chair of a Sele...
The motion from the Leader of the House refers to Members who are clinically extremely vulnerable...
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. He hits the nail on the head and explains the difficult...
Does my right hon. Friend not agree that it is the invasion of privacy that so many Members take ...
My hon. Friend is right. We have a very difficult job to do anyway. As I said to the right hon. M...
I know that my hon. Friend the Member for Basildon and Billericay (Mr Baron) will not mind my men...
I absolutely agree with the Chair of the Procedure Committee. The hon. Member for Basildon and Bi...
Does my right hon. Friend, like me, wonder a little at the paradox that we have here today? The L...
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. I still do not have an answer to that. I hope that I wi...
I believe I made the Chair’s curfew on speeches, so I will not intervene a lot. To go back to the...
My hon. Friend makes an important point and I absolutely agree with him. We are now moving to a d...
The hon. Gentleman is one of them and I shall give way in a moment. That is why this is so import...
Is the shadow Leader of the House, like me, struck by the perceived hypocrisy on the part of the ...
I do. At the moment, as Members of Parliament we are not treated equally and we are not dealt wit...
I suspect that I did not quite make the curfew, so I may need to intervene again. Further to the ...
It is appalling that, for some of our colleagues, their right to be here has been restricted in s...
Does my right hon. Friend share my bafflement that, as soon as there was a health need, the Prime...
I do not know whether my hon. Friend wants to intervene on me again. Perhaps she would want her q...
I hope that I can now be heard. Does my right hon. Friend share my bafflement that the Prime Mini...
Order. That means that the hon. Lady should sit down. I am making a point of order. Let us make s...
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for clarifying that. I think my hon. Friend was trying to say—an...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is it in order that the Opposition party is clearly tr...
Order. If there were any filibustering taking place in this Chamber, it would not be in order and...
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Let me go back to the guidance that the Deputy Speaker gave earlier about this being all about pa...
Order. I have already made it very clear, and I know the hon. Gentleman is one person who has cer...
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The hon. Gentleman is right to say that that is a bit concerning...
Is it not utterly disrespectful for the Leader of the House and the Cabinet to disregard the Hous...
My right hon. Friend is right. It is concerning that Chairs of Select Committees, who are elected...
On the point about virtual participation being available to everybody, it has been confirmed seve...
I absolutely agree. I will come on to the capacity in a minute, but I want to spend some time on ...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Over the last couple of minutes, I have observed that ...
I have noticed that there are Government Members on the Government Benches. Who they are and what...
It was slightly alarming—
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I apologise, but could you confirm that if a closure m...
There are various stages of a closure motion: the granting of the closure motion, the taking of t...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Could you clarify whether it is 100 Members voting or ...
I will come back to that point.
As I was saying, I think Members were slightly alarmed by a group of people walking with a purpos...
The right hon. Lady makes an important point about the fact that the motion would force hon. Memb...
That is absolutely right. We all know as hon. Members that we are only as good as our last electi...
I thank the shadow Leader of the House and appreciate that she is rising to the opportunity of la...
I agree. This is just one small further step that we are asking the Leader of the House to make, ...
On the point about the clinically extremely vulnerable, does the right hon. Lady not agree that t...
If someone wanted to help to us to decide what the definition is, that would be very useful.
I have much respect for the right hon. Lady, my constituency neighbour, but when people at work a...
I do not know whether—
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am a bit perplexed about the voting rights of Member...
Yes, that is correct. Where were we? Valerie Vaz.
I am still here. We are Members of Parliament. We are elected to do a job—we are elected to pass ...
Does the shadow Leader of the House agree that it is not just the arriving in this place that mak...
I agree. We do not know where we can catch it. What we are doing is exposing families, friends, e...
In answer to the point made by the hon. Member for West Bromwich West (Shaun Bailey), I have hear...
That is absolutely right. The Prime Minister did say that—
“work from home wherever possibl...
The shadow Leader of the House has been generous to both sides in taking interventions. Having be...
Order. What the right hon. Lady is doing, not what “you” are doing.
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I know that the hon. Member for Arundel and South Down...
Yes, I am very happy to clarify that. As ever, the hon. Gentleman has made his point very well.
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Could you not confirm that, as the hon. Gentleman just...
That was not a point of order.
That was a point of clarification. Perhaps we can include those in the procedure in future.
I think it is important to recognise that we do not just have to go back to the situation that pe...
My hon. Friend is right and that is the point that I was just about to come on to. As I started t...
I am grateful, once again, to my right hon. Friend for giving way. She is being very generous. Sh...
I agree. We did have the good and we did have the perfect, and for some reason we cannot have tha...
Is my right hon. Friend as surprised as I am that, given the huge success of our excellent techni...
It is world beating, but we do not use the term in the same way as they use it, because all their...
I thank the right hon. Lady for giving way; she is being generous. Given that we have this techno...
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. Obviously, I have not put the policy through, so I cannot ...
I thank my right hon. Friend for her contribution. She is doing a brilliant job, taking on board ...
They do, but we do not necessarily like them—especially when they break down and we are not linki...
The right hon. Lady is being generous with her time. Does she share my concerns about when I have...
I would say: do not look them too closely in the face. We have to be 2 metres apart because that ...
We have heard key public sector workers invoked: “How will we look them in the face?” They will u...
I think that is a really important intervention. Perhaps the hon. Members would go to their publi...
Can I interrupt the right hon. Member at this point? Sorry, I wanted to raise it on a point of or...
I really do not know what the hon. Gentleman is talking about. All I heard was people sniggering ...
Order. Whatever we are debating, we will have a good-tempered and polite debate.
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I just say this? When I was talking about the difficulties t...
You made the joke.
Joke? I was talking about broadcasting. We were talking about the public sector workers who are n...
On the point of equal treatment, the right hon. Member is right, because one of the first things ...
The hon. Member is absolutely right. When the Government want EVEL, they have it; when they do no...
I am grateful for the opportunity to mention discrimination. Does my right hon. Friend agree that...
It is doubly hard for everyone not being able to take part in what we do in this House, which is ...
I have very much enjoyed the first hour of the right hon. Lady’s remarks and look forward to the ...
Yes. Hon. Members will also know the emails that we all get about particular pieces of legislatio...
I am extremely grateful to the right hon. Lady for giving way again. She referred to the idea tha...
Yes, with the greatest of respect, I think that the hon. Gentleman has misunderstood. He will kno...
Has not my right hon. Friend exposed another flaw in this, which is the argument made by some Con...
I think it has gone out of the window with this motion; my right hon. Friend is absolutely right....
It has been suggested by Government Members that people in other workplaces have to get sick note...
My hon. Friend is right, and that is why we have these debates. He is absolutely right—I am sure ...
The right hon. Lady is being incredibly generous with her time, and this is most certainly a full...
That is extremely contradictory. As a result of the Prime Minister being exposed to sniffles and ...
He has been here.
I know, but not now.
May I apologise to the right hon. Lady? I did not mean to barrack her before. It was very discour...
No, I was not suggesting that at all, but as hon. Members know, no matter what happens, things ge...
Order. While the right hon. Lady is on the subject of treating people equally, I appreciate that ...
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was about to finish. I ask hon. Members to read the amendment ...
My right hon. Friend talks about public health. GPs are quite busy at the moment because we are i...
Order. The hon. Gentleman has not been here for the whole debate. We are not having any more long...
The amendment states clearly
“a public health reason”
and no other reason. All Member...
It is lovely to see everybody bobbing up and down—we do not get to see that nowadays—and there is...
I give way to the august right hon. Gentleman and member of the Committee.
Will the right hon. Lady join me in thanking the staff and the Clerks, who from those early days ...
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. I was going to come on to say that, but he gives me...
I give way to another august member of the Committee.
Will the right hon. Lady also acknowledge that during a public evidence session, we had academics...
I thank the hon. Gentleman; I call him my hon. Friend, because he serves as the Committee’s vice-...
I give way to another august member of the Committee.
I know that the right hon. Lady did a session with the Canadian Parliament, but when Committee me...
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. It was slightly embarrassing, I think, for members o...
I give way to another august member of the Committee, the hon. Member for Blaydon (Liz Twist), an...
Speaking of Bill Committees, does the right hon. Lady recall that some of us took part in a trial...
The hon. Lady makes an important point. We did not really test or try that hybridity in Bill Comm...
On Bill Committees, clearly it is a matter of the business managers working to find appropriate s...
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. I would not want to speculate about what goes on bet...
I give way to my hon. Friend.
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, and will return the compliment, as she is an exemplary Cha...
I absolutely agree with that point.
I have been in touch with my right hon. Friend the Member for Chesham and Amersham (Dame Cheryl G...
I, too, want my right hon. Friend the Member for Chesham and Amersham (Dame Cheryl Gillan) and ma...
I thank the Chair of the Procedure Committee, on which I serve, for giving way. She has mentioned...
I thank my hon. Friend, who has just joined the Procedure Committee. I was going to make exactly ...
I see that many Members wish to intervene. I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for East...
Does my right hon. Friend not accept, to back the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for The...
Once again, I say to my hon. Friend that the Government could accept the amendment. However, I do...
The point that the Chair of the Procedure Committee is making about the amendment and about this ...
My hon. Friend the Member for Pudsey (Stuart Andrew) is perhaps the first Deputy Chief Whip to ha...
I just want to make it absolutely clear that I would love the right hon. Member for Chesham and A...
I thank the hon. Gentleman. I urge my right hon. Friend the Leader of the House to listen to what...
As the right hon. Lady highlights, people are working very hard, and I pay tribute to members of ...
The hon. Lady is right. Select Committees, of which we are both Chairs, have conducted their busi...
I am going to try again. This is a really sensitive matter for those who are extremely vulnerable...
I will be sitting down shortly. I wanted to ensure that I took interventions because I know that ...
I simply remind the House that this motion will fall at 7 o’clock. Let us at least have half a lo...
As I say, I will sit down shortly, because I want to make sure that the amendment can be moved an...
There is a simple way to move this on: the Government could accept the amendment tonight. The fac...
The right hon. Gentleman is correct. We asked for this debate during the urgent question last wee...
I beg to move amendment (a) in line 5:
Leave out from “Members” to “to” in line 8 and inser...
It appears to me that the House is now in a wholly unsatisfactory position. We stand to have a Di...
I will come on to that point later, but there is a prior point which is really important. It is v...
I am grateful to the hon. Member, who I also have a lot of respect for. I say to him gently again...
I sympathise with the argument. Indeed, the right hon. Member for Chesham and Amersham has expres...
Will my hon. Friend give way?
If my hon. Friend will allow me, I just want to deal with the specific issue of the Government’s ...
I will give way—as long as the hon. Gentleman promises that he will be a Unionist.
The point is exactly as the hon. Gentleman makes it, because the Government continue to put a roc...
Obviously I do not go quite as far as that, but when we had the firebreak in Wales—the Labour Gov...
An example of that was this weekend. The annual NATO Parliamentary Assembly took place, involving...
The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe and all sorts of organisations have been doin...
On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can you advise the House that, if this debate goes up to 7 o’clo...
I think everybody in here knows exactly what the outcome is of what is going on. I do not think t...
I am grateful for your guidance, Mr Speaker, but let me make the point clear. I am moving the ame...
Name the ugly.
Especially the ugly, yes.
No, name the ugly.
Oh. Anyway, the point is that it is such a historic principle that every MP is treated equally th...
On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Tomorrow’s business will now include a motion to approve a money...
Would the shadow Leader of the House like to respond?
indicated dissent .
Further to that point of order, Mr Speaker.
I do not really want to get into what we have already discussed. I want to suspend the House so
The Leader of the House has made time tomorrow for things he delayed today. He could make time fo...
I think we have—[ Interruption. ] Order. Let us calm down.
In order to allow the safe exit ...
I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way because it gives me an opportunity to speak on behalf...
I agree, and we have seen how effective our hon. Friend the Member for Lewisham, Deptford (Vicky ...