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House Business during the Pandemic

Emergency debate on Monday, 8 June 2020, in the House of Commons, led by Alistair Carmichael. The answering member was Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Motion that this House has considered the Conduct of House business during the pandemic. Emergency debate following a Standing Order No. 24 application. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
677 cc59-95 
Session
2019-21
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber

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House Business during the Pandemic
Thursday, 4 June 2020
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Alistair Carmichael | 677 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the Conduct of House business during the pand...

Karl McCartney | 677 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with the right hon. Gentleman that the sight of us all walking through here to ...


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Alistair Carmichael | 677 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I cannot answer the hon. Gentleman’s question because I do not really understand ...

Layla Moran | 677 c60 (Link to this contribution)

After the scenes of the Secretary of State sweating at the Dispatch Box were seen on television, ...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree with my hon. Friend in all respects but one, which is that this is just one part of ...

Jonathan Gullis | 677 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c60 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way once more, and then at that point I will want to make some progress.

Jonathan Gullis | 677 c60 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman says that we work beyond this House, which obviously we do, but does he ...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 cc60-1 (Link to this contribution)

I do absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman. That is why I have never made any secret of the fa...

Wera Hobhouse | 677 c61 (Link to this contribution)

To avoid inadvertently spreading the virus, should not the advice be that we should all wear face...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c61 (Link to this contribution)

Long before the coronavirus pandemic, several people told me that my appearance would be improved...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 cc61-2 (Link to this contribution)

Don’t take me there.

The principle—the important constitutional principle that is at stake ...

Steve Brine | 677 c62 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is a jolly fellow and I am enjoying his speech, but some very serious is...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c62 (Link to this contribution)

It was my decision to make an application, but it was Mr Speaker’s decision to grant the applicat...

Toby Perkins | 677 c62 (Link to this contribution)

In response to the point that was just made by the hon. Member for Winchester (Steve Brine) about...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)

Having committed ourselves to virtual or hybrid proceedings, it would have been sensible to make ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the Leader of the House, I should warn Members who are planning to speak, lest they...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

I listened with great interest to the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael), ...

Jonathan Gullis | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend refers to the work that we have done, but it is no different from—in fact, i...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right on that, which is one reason why I argue that we should try to...

Patricia Gibson | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Leader of the House not agree that not allowing MPs who are shielding to participate ful...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c64 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Lady is not looking fully at what shielded MPs will be able to do. They will be ...

Christine Jardine | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Listening to the Leader of the House, I am curious to know whether he could give us an example of...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Even the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland, who applied for and received this debate, has...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my neighbour, the Member for Bath.

Wera Hobhouse | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

On the subject of snail pace, was the voting we were doing last week not much slower than the vir...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Snails do not go anything like as fast as we went in that queue, and I really do not think Member...

Jo Gideon | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

My constituents in Stoke-on-Trent Central are getting back to work, and they are worried about jo...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. There is a great deal going on in the world and, thanks to the...

Toby Perkins | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman’s concern was that virtual debates were preventing the Government from g...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c65 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is an assiduous attender of Parliament and very thoughtf...

Alexander Stafford | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way to an intervention—something that could not be done i...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, because that is a crucial point. Even with the social distancing...

Chris Bryant | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I think Disraeli also said that a Conservative Government were an “organised hypocrisy”, as I am ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

If we are batting back and forth Disraelian quotations, he also said:

“A sophistical rhetor...

Stuart Anderson | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about swiftness and queuing. The people of Wolverhampton have been queuing for the...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I have a great deal of sympathy with that view, but the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland...

Liz Saville Roberts | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that most of us appreciate that we are not here to talk about Parliament. We are here t...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

I am a bit puzzled as to why the right hon. Lady is contributing to the debate if she does not wa...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

That is very gracious, but customarily, if Members sit on the Benches chuntering, they might give...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just because the hon. Member for Brighton, Kemptown was doing something wrong does not mea...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

Thank heavens, Madam Deputy Speaker, that we have you as Chairman of Ways and Means, to keep us i...

Jonathan Gullis | 677 c67 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend talked about the Zoom Parliament being inadequate. In education—I am former ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree, and my hon. Friend makes the right comparison all ways round. I have noticed wi...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely accept that it is not a system I would want to use indefinitely, but it is right for...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I thought the right hon. Gentleman was in error when made that point in his introduct...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman says that he wants a level playing field, but he has agreed to have virt...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that that point was worth waiting for. [Laughter.] I do not wish to be unkind—it is...

Chris Bryant | 677 c68 (Link to this contribution)

One of the problems with the two motions that the Leader of the House tabled last week is that th...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point, and I can assure him that it is under consideration. ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman wishes me to.

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I remember the debates only a few years ago when the right hon. Gentleman and others were very sc...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point. The Chief Whip is not in his normal seat, so ...

Patricia Gibson | 677 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Leader of the House for once again giving way. He is very generous with his time. I h...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)

I believe it is fair to say that the Scottish Parliament has not got remote voting. The voting st...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c70 (Link to this contribution)

If scrutiny of the Government is as important to the Leader of the House as he tells us, does he ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c70 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister has made many announcements to Parliament, and the ministerial code is absolut...

Angela Eagle | 677 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

It would be a particular pleasure to give way to the hon. Lady.

Angela Eagle | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman really should not caricature people worried about the exclusion of MPs w...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the hon. Lady does not want people to be caricatured, because I have a feeling th...

Chris Stephens | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

Those who are shielding cannot participate in this debate because it is an emergency debate, in w...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

It is a very good point, and a fair point for the hon. Gentleman to make, but you will see, Madam...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c71 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I give way to the hon. Member for Edinburgh West (Christine Jardine), and then I will c...

Christine Jardine | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for giving way, but does he understand the frustration of so many o...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I am not unsympathetic to the concerns that the hon. Lady expresses. That is why the House author...

Andrew Griffith | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend share my frustration and that of my constituents that at a time when th...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an extraordinarily good point. The right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland...

Jonathan Gullis | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I do not pretend to be a historian like my right hon. Friend, but I am sure that during the blitz...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I am entirely in agreement. We must lead by example because we are leaders in our community.

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c72 (Link to this contribution)

The point to which I am yet to hear an answer from the Leader of the House is that he has promote...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a point with which I have a great deal of sympathy. I would remind...

Toby Perkins | 677 c73 (Link to this contribution)

Like Conservative Members, I do not think that Parliament is at its greatest when we spend our ti...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has now made two interventions, so I wonder why he is suddenly so concerned ab...

Chris Stephens | 677 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The Leader of the House talks at great length about responsibilities. As Members of this House, w...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman allows me to pay tribute to Marianne Cwynarski, who is in charge of these affa...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 c74 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady complains that I have been speaking for 30 minutes. I have a very happy memory from...

Karl McCartney | 677 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I hear plenty of chuntering from the Opposition Benches, and I would like to point out that many ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 677 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)

I reiterate the point that a debate is about interventions. It is how we test the argument of the...

Nigel Evans | 677 c75 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call Valerie Vaz, may I say that there are a lot of people who wish to participate in th...

Valerie Vaz | 677 cc75-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael) for applying for the Standi...

Nigel Evans | 677 cc77-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Chairman of Ways and Means announced a five-minute limit on contributions from Back Benchers,...

Karen Bradley | 677 cc78-9 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say, as Chair of the Procedure Committee, I always relish the opportunity to discuss pro...

Andrew Griffith | 677 c79 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the Chair of the Procedure Committee. I think that both sides of the House would...

Karen Bradley | 677 cc79-80 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, who is a member of the Committee, for his kind words and his point about ...

Nigel Evans | 677 c80 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call Patrick Grady.

7.1 pm

Patrick Grady | 677 cc80-2 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael) on securing the deba...

Mark Harper | 677 cc82-3 (Link to this contribution)

I broadly support the return of Parliament in person, but a balance has to be struck between our ...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c83 (Link to this contribution)

There is a practical consideration here. Many of those with an immediate family member who is vul...

Mark Harper | 677 c83 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the right hon. Gentleman makes that point, which I believe is true, because it ...

Karen Bradley | 677 c83 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is correct, but there is another issue to do with childcare. As we are key w...

Mark Harper | 677 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is exactly right and makes that point very well. What is unique to us is tha...

David Davis | 677 c84 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Mark Harper | 677 c84 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because I have only 30 seconds left. The House has not had the opportunity to decide ...

Clive Efford | 677 cc84-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is clear that the return to Parliament last week was chaotic, rushed and ill-thought-through. ...

David Davis | 677 cc85-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will start by saying that I agreed wholeheartedly, and almost entirely, with the right hon. Mem...

Mary Kelly Foy | 677 cc86-7 (Link to this contribution)

That we are here today is frankly ridiculous. A lot of resources went into creating the virtual P...

Jack Brereton | 677 cc87-8 (Link to this contribution)

As a member of the Procedure Committee, I am pleased to speak in this debate. When I put my name ...

Jim Shannon | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Jack Brereton | 677 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because of time.

From the outset, it has been clear that more virtual proceedin...

Angela Eagle | 677 cc88-9 (Link to this contribution)

We have a Leader of the House of Commons who operates by diktat, rather than by agreement or cons...

Chris Elmore | 677 cc89-91 (Link to this contribution)

I want to focus on two points that the Leader of the House and the Prime Minister have spoken abo...

Nadia Whittome | 677 c91 (Link to this contribution)

When the advice to the country was, “Continue working from home if at all possible”, this Governm...

Toby Perkins | 677 cc91-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have some sympathy with the comments of a couple of Conservative Members about the fact that at...

Nigel Evans | 677 c92 (Link to this contribution)

I call Chris Bryant, who must finish by 7.49 pm.

7.45 pm

Chris Bryant | 677 cc92-4 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I want to be able to participate, because there are so many issues ...

Alistair Carmichael | 677 c93 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to all hon. and right hon. Members for their contributions to the debate. In r...

Nigel Evans | 677 c93 (Link to this contribution)

I am suspending the House for five minutes. Please maintain social distancing as you leave the Ch...

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