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Mineworkers’ Pension Scheme

Backbench debate on Monday, 10 June 2019, in the House of Commons, led by Grahame Morris. The answering members were Alan Whitehead and Andrew Stephenson.
Motion that this House calls on the Government to carry out a review of the existing arrangements for the sharing of the surplus generated by the Mineworkers' Pension Scheme. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
661 cc479-514 
Session
2017-19
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Grahame Morris | 661 c479 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House calls on the Government to carry out a review of the existin...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 661 c479 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend speaks movingly about his family, but he also points to another issue, which is th...


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Grahame Morris | 661 c479 (Link to this contribution)

That is an incredibly important point. When I had to apologise to some of the miners from Wales a...

Chris Elmore | 661 c479 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate and pay particular tribute to my hon. Friend...

Grahame Morris | 661 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely; that is a key point. I hope the Treasury Bench will listen intently to the points mad...

Kevin Barron | 661 c480 (Link to this contribution)

We should recognise that when the increase in the miners’ pension scheme was higher than that in ...

Grahame Morris | 661 c480 (Link to this contribution)

That is an absolutely relevant point. Other colleagues have referred to the relative pension leve...

Ian Lavery | 661 c480 (Link to this contribution)

I refer to my declaration in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests: I am a deferred member...

Grahame Morris | 661 c481 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I could not put it any better myself. It is now time to review the surplus sharing ar...

Chris Stephens | 661 c482 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful speech. He has given some alarming figures. Does he agree...

Grahame Morris | 661 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We owe a debt to the miners, and the Government have an obligation to them— a moral o...

John Grogan | 661 c482 (Link to this contribution)

May I take up my hon. Friend’s point about the moral obligation? Does he remember that when the P...

Grahame Morris | 661 cc482-3 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, which has pre-empted my further remarks....

Helen Goodman | 661 c483 (Link to this contribution)

That is what we expect from Tory Ministers.

Grahame Morris | 661 c483 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely.

The MPS winter newsletter states:

“Whilst the Trustees are and always hav...

William Cash | 661 c483 (Link to this contribution)

May I say to the hon. Gentleman that there are those on this side of the House who not only have ...

Grahame Morris | 661 c483 (Link to this contribution)

God bless you. I am grateful for that intervention,

What I am trying to do—with all due res...

Dennis Skinner | 661 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

There is one point that my hon. Friend has not mentioned at all. I worked in the pit for 20-odd y...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I assume the hon. Gentleman thinks I am not listening to him, and that I have not noticed,...

Dennis Skinner | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

I will turn to address you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

No, I did not mind that, but the hon. Gentleman is making rather a long intervention; I know this...

Dennis Skinner | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

I did happen to work down a coalmine and I am using the bit of expertise that I had regarding the...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure. I must say that we are not creating a precedent here for the Chair allowing a v...

Grahame Morris | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Bolsover ...

Mike Hill | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and neighbour for giving way on that point. As he knows, although Hartlepo...

Grahame Morris | 661 c484 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. This is a poignant time. Just a short while ago it was the anniversary of the disaste...

Mike Amesbury | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

Fred Smith died last week. He was a proud Scotsman and a miner in the Castleford collieries. He d...

Grahame Morris | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. A dear friend of mine, Myrtle McPherson, an absolute stalwart and a legend in Easingt...

Grahame Morris | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

I know lots of Members wish to speak in the debate but I will give way one more time and then con...

Caroline Flint | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. Does he agree that, given that these surpluses are essenti...

Grahame Morris | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

I am rather alarmed that the Treasury uses some of the surpluses from the mineworkers’ pension fu...

Andrew Bridgen | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

As a Member of Parliament whose paternal grandfather was a coalminer and whose major conurbation ...

Grahame Morris | 661 c485 (Link to this contribution)

It is not often that I agree with the hon. Gentleman, but, absolutely, those people are certainly...

Grahame Morris | 661 c486 (Link to this contribution)

I shall now conclude, otherwise I will incur the wrath of Madam Deputy Speaker.

Our minewor...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c486 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We will have to start with a time limit of seven minutes.

8.18 pm

Ben Bradley | 661 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is good to have the opportunity to speak in this debate, and it is a pleasure to follow the ho...

Ian Lavery | 661 c487 (Link to this contribution)

I am curious to understand what the hon. Gentleman has just said. He thinks that now is the time ...

Ben Bradley | 661 cc487-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that, but I think it was a fairly pointless question. I am not in ...

Ed Miliband | 661 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to follow the hon. Member for Mansfield (Ben Bradley); it is good that there is all-par...

Bill Grant | 661 c489 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Doncaster North (Edward Miliband). My consti...

Luke Graham | 661 c490 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point about some of the dangers that coalminers faced at the coalface...

Bill Grant | 661 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid point. Those who were colliers or miners can become victims of silic...

Gloria De Piero | 661 c491 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock (Bill Grant) and to see c...

Luke Graham | 661 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to break the consensus that is building in the Chamber tonight, but the hon. Lady c...

Gloria De Piero | 661 c492 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that and, actually, the negotiations began at the end of the last Labour Government’s te...

Ian Lavery | 661 c492 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about good deals and bad deals, but it is not just about the surplus. Is my hon. F...

Gloria De Piero | 661 c492 (Link to this contribution)

“Bonanza” is right, “cash cow” is right and “injustice” is right when it comes to the mineworkers...

Stephanie Peacock | 661 cc492-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Ashfield (Gloria De Piero), who has been a l...

Luke Graham | 661 c493 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is talking about returns. Does she recognise that a 40% return on an investment fun...

Stephanie Peacock | 661 c493 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to talk about what split I think there should be, but I just ask the hon. Gentlema...

Stephanie Peacock | 661 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have taken an intervention and I am going to make some progress.

As I was saying, these s...

Nick Smith | 661 cc494-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Easington (Grahame Morris) for securing this important deba...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c495 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Everyone has been very good at keeping to time, but I will have to reduce the official tim...

Danielle Rowley | 661 cc495-6 (Link to this contribution)

I swear that, for the past few times that I have spoken, the time limit has been reduced just bef...

Hugh Gaffney | 661 c496 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is talking about young people. This year in my constituency of Coatbridge, Chrysto...

Danielle Rowley | 661 c497 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that this has to be an intergenerational debate. We have to show solidari...

Andrew Bridgen | 661 c497 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady talks about coalfield communities. Does she agree that they are gritty, proud, and ...

Danielle Rowley | 661 c497 (Link to this contribution)

It has been really good to see the solidarity shown from both sides of the House on this issue. E...

Ian Lavery | 661 c497 (Link to this contribution)

We should not be pleading for the miners to get justice in this Chamber. These are deferred wages...

Danielle Rowley | 661 cc497-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is bang on. These are absolutely deferred wages. This is money that belongs to ret...

Gerald Jones | 661 c498 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to be able to speak in this debate and I thank the Benchbench Business Committee for...

Carolyn Harris | 661 c498 (Link to this contribution)

It would be very remiss of me not to mention my predecessor, Siân James, whose early life as a mi...

Gerald Jones | 661 c498 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention and agree with her. She talks about the injustice of...

Susan Elan Jones | 661 c498 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned some of the disasters that mining communities have faced. I cannot but m...

Gerald Jones | 661 cc498-500 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend’s comments. The history of our coalfields is littered with examples o...

Jo Platt | 661 c500 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney (Gerald Jones...

Jo Platt | 661 c500 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because I know that a few Members are waiting to speak, and we are short of time.

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Jo Platt | 661 cc500-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I am not going to give way.

If it were not for brave and relentless fighter...

Helen Goodman | 661 c501 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great privilege to speak in this debate. I want to congratulate my hon. Friend the Member...

Andrew Bridgen | 661 c501 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree with me that in this debate, for once, the right hon. and hon. Members t...

Helen Goodman | 661 cc501-2 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I think we will hear whether Treasury Ministers see it in quite that way at the end of the ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 661 c502 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sorry, but we have to reduce the time limit to five minutes.

9.14 pm

Jonathan Edwards | 661 cc502-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for Easington (Grahame Morris) for securing this important debate. I agre...

Douglas Chapman | 661 c503 (Link to this contribution)

The time that the Fife miners spent working in the pits has obviously had a greatly detrimental e...

Jonathan Edwards | 661 cc503-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a vital point. I suppose my question for the British Government this evening...

Wayne David | 661 cc504-5 (Link to this contribution)

I come from a mining family. Both of my grandfathers were coalminers. One worked in the Garw and ...

Alan Brown | 661 cc505-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Caerphilly (Wayne David) and there have been some ...

Alan Whitehead | 661 cc507-8 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a tremendous debate, which has combined passion, eloquence and reasonableness. Most i...

Andrew Bridgen | 661 c509 (Link to this contribution)

I have done a quick calculation: if it is correct that there are currently 158,000 beneficiaries ...

Alan Whitehead | 661 c509 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point—possibly with the aid of his calculator—that I had not ...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 cc509-510 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to start by paying tribute to all hon. and right hon. Members who have contributed t...

Stephanie Peacock | 661 c510 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister refers to his predecessor. In my Adjournment debate back in February, she agreed to ...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 cc510-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am always happy to meet anybody, and I am more than happy to meet people who have asked for mee...

Ian Lavery | 661 c511 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that this has been a fantastic debate, with everyone who participated believing that just...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c511 (Link to this contribution)

They do not. There are six proposals, which I have written to the Treasury about, and the trustee...

Ed Miliband | 661 c511 (Link to this contribution)

The motion states:

“That this House calls on the Government to carry out a review of the ex...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c511 (Link to this contribution)

As I just said, I will be meeting the trustees, and their proposals relate to six points, about w...

Ed Miliband | 661 c511 (Link to this contribution)

But this House is about to pass a motion agreeing to a review, so the Government are going to hav...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

I am setting out my Department’s position. Whether a review is undertaken is a matter for the Tre...

Alan Brown | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister seems to be saying that the proposals being considered are from the trustees and the...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

The trustees have made it clear that protecting bonuses already accrued is their priority, rather...

Stephanie Peacock | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

The trustees’ proposals are important. However, speaking to that is a red herring and does not an...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will. I think I have only two minutes left, and I was going to come on to exactly tha...

Helen Goodman | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Surely the Government cannot ignore a motion passed by the whole...

John Bercow | 661 c512 (Link to this contribution)

The short answer is that that is not a point of order, but it is open to the Government to do tha...

Andrew Stephenson | 661 c513 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. The guarantee gives recipients security because, of course, they know futu...

Grahame Morris | 661 cc513-4 (Link to this contribution)

We were doing so well in this debate, and I am heartened by the many contributions, especially fr...

Ed Miliband | 661 c514 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Thanks to my hon. Friend the Member for Easington (Grahame Morri...

John Bercow | 661 c514 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is a natural optimist, and I say that in no pejorative spirit. I am sad ...

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