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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 11 June 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Ben Wallace and Sajid Javid. The answering members were Diane Abbott and Nick Thomas-Symonds.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion agreed to. Queen's recommendation signified. Money resolution motion agreed to. Ways and means motion agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
642 cc629-695 
Session
2017-19
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Counter-terrorism and Border Security Bill 2017-19
Wednesday, 6 June 2018
Bills
House of Commons
Deposited Paper DEP2018-0764
Wednesday, 4 July 2018
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Sajid Javid | 642 c630 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

This country faces significant thre...

Simon Hoare | 642 c630 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend used the term “wide-ranging”. Is not that the key thing? The legislation sho...


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Sajid Javid | 642 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He and other hon. Members will see that much of this Bill is ...

William Cash | 642 c631 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend may be aware that, on the previous Bill dealing with the same subject matter...

Sajid Javid | 642 c631 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend has taken a great interest in these matters for many years. I will lis...

Simon Hoare | 642 c631 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend mentioned my constituent Nick Bailey, the police officer at Salisbury. Wilts...

Sajid Javid | 642 c631 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to give my hon. Friend that assurance. I think that the whole House has commended Dete...

Stephen Doughty | 642 c631 (Link to this contribution)

Given what the Home Secretary is saying about Russia’s attempts to undermine our society and enga...

Sajid Javid | 642 c632 (Link to this contribution)

The Cabinet Office is the Department responsible for overseeing elections and looking at allegati...

John Howell | 642 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend confirm that this is also about reducing the risk to the UK’s interests...

Sajid Javid | 642 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I can confirm that. The powers in the Bill are designed to better protect us against all typ...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 642 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Home Secretary moves on, I just want to take him back to the issue of hostile states a...

Sajid Javid | 642 cc632-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have not had a discussion directly with the PSNI on this, but the Department has had discussion...

Yvette Cooper | 642 c633 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary will know that I share his strong belief in taking strong action against the t...

Sajid Javid | 642 c633 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important question from the Chair of the Home Affairs Committee, and I want to be clea...

Lord Beamish | 642 c633 (Link to this contribution)

Like my right hon. Friend the Member for Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford (Yvette Cooper), I ...

Sajid Javid | 642 c633 (Link to this contribution)

The objective is to allow for the fact that it is quite possible for someone to accidentally come...

Lord Beamish | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

I am just intrigued why it is three times and whether this always has to be done in context. Clea...

Sajid Javid | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is right to make that point. Some people have already made similar comme...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

I can tell my right hon. Friend that he has my wholehearted support for the Bill. It is one thing...

Sajid Javid | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

I will give my hon. Friend two responses. First, he may know that the Secretary of State for Digi...

Yvette Cooper | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary is being generous in giving way. The Bill will make it illegal to watch the st...

Sajid Javid | 642 c634 (Link to this contribution)

It is not an offence for internet companies to stream such material under UK law—currently—and th...

Neil Coyle | 642 c635 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary is being very generous in giving way. He mentioned that social media providers...

Sajid Javid | 642 c635 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned YouTube, and I think—if I remember the number correctly—that it has ...

Stephen Doughty | 642 c635 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Bermondsey and Old Southwark (Neil Coy...

Sajid Javid | 642 c635 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes another good point in this debate. He is right to say that many leading ...

Ed Davey | 642 c635 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly confused about the Government’s direction of travel. I think that there is quite wi...

Sajid Javid | 642 c636 (Link to this contribution)

To be absolutely clear, what the right hon. Gentleman referred to as the three clicks approach—le...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 c636 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sorry to labour this point with my right hon. Friend, but one of the most critical aspe...

Sajid Javid | 642 cc636-7 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend knows, because I have already said it, I met the companies he has mentioned and...

Lord Walney | 642 c637 (Link to this contribution)

Why has the Home Secretary decided not to include the Australian scheme using the declared area o...

Sajid Javid | 642 c637 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentions the Australian extraterritorial offence that has been created, and I ...

Kevin Foster | 642 c637 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary has my support on the thrust of the Bill. However, on matters such as the one ...

Sajid Javid | 642 cc637-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I absolutely give my hon. Friend that assurance. As with many of these types of measures, th...

Lord Beamish | 642 c638 (Link to this contribution)

I support the measures that the Home Secretary is outlining. In the briefing documents he sent be...

Sajid Javid | 642 c638 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am.

The Bill will update the law relating to terrorism reinsurance. The attack last ...

Diane Abbott | 642 cc638-640 (Link to this contribution)

In 2017, as the House has heard, the UK was subject to five terrorist attacks, which killed 36 pe...

John Hayes | 642 c640 (Link to this contribution)

I did not intend to intervene—I will speak at length later—but is the right hon. Lady aware that ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 642 c640 (Link to this contribution)

Just to advise Members who may want to speak at length later, they will have up to 15 minutes and...

Diane Abbott | 642 c640 (Link to this contribution)

I have visited Prevent programmes and I am aware that good work is being done, but the figure tha...

Lord Coaker | 642 c640 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a fair point. I think we need some sort of Prevent strategy, so I ...

Diane Abbott | 642 c640 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the need for a programme that does what Prevent purports to do, but there is a danger. I...

Simon Hoare | 642 c641 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the right hon. Lady. Just to clarify, is she saying that she would re...

Diane Abbott | 642 c641 (Link to this contribution)

I said quite clearly that we would seek to review it. We could not at this point press the pause ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 c641 (Link to this contribution)

The director general of MI5, Andrew Parker, said in a speech in October last year that the ongoin...

Diane Abbott | 642 c641 (Link to this contribution)

I think I have said three times that we broadly support the Bill in principle, but we are Her Maj...

Alex Chalk | 642 c641 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, does the right hon. Lady agree that we should be concerned by reports that emerged...

Diane Abbott | 642 c642 (Link to this contribution)

I think Members are seeking to have me say what they want me to say and are not listening to my s...

Stephen Doughty | 642 c642 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my right hon. Friend on that point. We are very lucky in Wales that, than...

Diane Abbott | 642 c642 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. That is what we are hearing from police leaders all the time. They w...

Lindsay Hoyle | 642 c643 (Link to this contribution)

Before I bring in the next speaker, just a reminder—I have told speakers that this is a very impo...

John Hayes | 642 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)

Terrorism blights lives and in some cases, of course, it takes lives. We have already heard from ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 c644 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has talked about terrorist methods continually changing. Did not the situati...

John Hayes | 642 c645 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that did happen, but I would go as far as to say—reflecting what Andrew Parker said—that the...

Simon Hoare | 642 c645 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend also agree that one acute difference between Irish terrorism and the th...

John Hayes | 642 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Irish people endured the horror of terrorism for a very long time, and we should not be compl...

Ed Davey | 642 c646 (Link to this contribution)

Did the right hon. Gentleman meet any representatives from Muslim communities who perceived it to...

John Hayes | 642 c646 (Link to this contribution)

There is an argument about how Prevent is perceived and how communities in which the co-ordinator...

Gavin Newlands | 642 cc646-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr Hayes), w...

Ben Wallace | 642 c647 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify the point about the Investigatory Powers Act. It is important for the Hous...

Gavin Newlands | 642 cc647-650 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Minister’s intervention. As I outlined, my hon. and learned Friend made these po...

Lord Walney | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s description of the “distinct Scottish approach” to Prevent sounded exactly l...

Gavin Newlands | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

I think that it is a resource issue. In Scotland, resources are invested to ensure that the neces...

Lord Walney | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman saying that there is no difference whatsoever between English Prevent and S...

Gavin Newlands | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I am no expert on the delivery of the Prevent strategy in England. I represent...

Lord Walney | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman said that the Scottish approach was distinct.

Gavin Newlands | 642 c648 (Link to this contribution)

It is distinct in terms of its success, in comparison with the success of the strategy as it curr...

Gavin Newlands | 642 cc648-651 (Link to this contribution)

I have already outlined in what way.

The Scottish Government recognise that resilient commu...

Alex Chalk | 642 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Paisley and Renfrewshire North (Gavin Newlands).

Ed Davey | 642 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that we should be debating these issues, but can the hon. Gentleman point to anywhere in ...

Alex Chalk | 642 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is pretty much everywhere, and I will give the right hon. Gentleman an example. How about an...

Lord Beamish | 642 c653 (Link to this contribution)

I am not a liberal on any of these issues, but there is a problem with this. One difficulty the s...

Alex Chalk | 642 c653 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is right to raise that question, but I do not think that is the case. We...

Alex Chalk | 642 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way again on that point.

If I may, I will move on to the issue of in...

Neil Coyle | 642 cc654-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Alex Chalk), and I echo the spirit of ...

John Howell | 642 c657 (Link to this contribution)

Since this is the first time that I have seen you since the weekend, Madam Deputy Speaker, may I ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 c657 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend knows that the Bill contains provisions to lengthen both the period that prisoners...

John Howell | 642 cc657-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend. In fact, in my notes for this debate I have written next to my previous p...

Gavin Robinson | 642 cc659-662 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Henley (John Howell). I have enjoyed listening to ...

Eddie Hughes | 642 cc660-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson), particularly as at ...

Jim Shannon | 642 c663 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share the concern of those of us on this side of the Chamber within our p...

Eddie Hughes | 642 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely do share those concerns, and I sincerely hope that the Bill presents the opportunity...

Lord Walney | 642 cc664-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Walsall North (Eddie Hughes). I have sat here and ...

Ben Wallace | 642 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I may be able to help the hon. Gentleman. Approximately 40 have been prosecuted so far—either bec...

Lord Walney | 642 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for updating the House. I note that 40 is fewer than the 54, the n...

Kevin Foster | 642 cc667-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be called to speak in this debate and particularly to follow the hon. Member ...

Ed Davey | 642 cc669-673 (Link to this contribution)

I come to this debate wanting to be positive about attempts by the Government to give our police ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 642 cc672-5 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for allowing me to catch your eye, Madam Deputy Speaker. As this is the first speech I ...

Lord Beamish | 642 cc675-8 (Link to this contribution)

The first duty of any state is to protect its citizens. Historically, this has meant protecting o...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 642 cc677-681 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a wide-ranging and thoughtful debate.

Two years ago, our late friend and parl...

Stephen Doughty | 642 c680 (Link to this contribution)

We obviously understand the need to detain individuals in certain circumstances, particularly at ...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 642 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with my hon. Friend on that point. How we draw the law precisely in this area i...

Ben Wallace | 642 cc680-6 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a good debate, and Members on both sides of the House have demonstrated a desire to...

John Bercow | 642 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Forgive me. Am I right in thinking that the Minister of State is approaching a peroration ...

Ben Wallace | 642 c687 (Link to this contribution)

The usual channels have taken over. I have lost the first battle.

In summing up, I apologis...

John Bercow | 642 c687 (Link to this contribution)

The Chair was merely making an inquiry, and there was a question mark at the end of it, but I get...

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