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Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 11 May 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Kevin Hollinrake. The answering member was Lord Harrington of Watford.
Motion that the House sit in private. Negatived on question. Report stage. Amendment 1, discussed with other amendments, debated and withdrawn. Third reading. Queen's consent signified. Agreed to on question. Bill read the third time and passed.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
640 cc1013-1079 
Session
2017-19
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill 2017-19
Wednesday, 2 May 2018
Research briefings
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill 2017-19. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Thursday, 8 February 2018
Bills
House of Commons
Deposited Paper DEP2018-0501
Thursday, 24 May 2018
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Kevin Foster | 640 c1013 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 1, page 2, line 11, in the schedule, leave out ‘parent’ and insert ‘prima...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 640 cc1013-5 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 2, page 2, line 11, aft...


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Kevin Foster | 640 cc1015-6 (Link to this contribution)

It makes a change to be called first in a Friday debate. [Interruption] Yes, or ever. I usually h...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have put my name to this amendment, and I intend to speak to it in a few moments. The way...

Kevin Foster | 640 cc1016-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely; I could not agree with my hon. Friend more. I accept that the Bill has had a good run...

Karen Lee | 640 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

When I lost my daughter, she was grown up—she was not a child—and I want to suggest that people m...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1018 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to hear about the hon. Lady’s experience. It would be interesting to hear the Minister...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

There was a degree of shock among the members of the Bill Committee at the evidence of employers ...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. The vast majority of employers will be considerate and understanding and...

Chris Philp | 640 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

I support my hon. Friend’s case for protecting bereaved employees by ensuring that notice periods...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has clearly read my amendment 9, which talks about a “reasonable” notice period. I...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some strong points. He will be aware that there is already a requirement...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that a reasonable employer will behave differently from the type of perso...

James Cartlidge | 640 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful argument. As for whether employers will act reasonably, this ...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. In a small or micro-business with four or five employees, the relationsh...

Karen Lee | 640 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

It is just as important that an employee is supported when they go back to work. I was working on...

Kevin Foster | 640 cc1020-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is apt to reflect on the NHS, which provides such support to its staff as well as to its patie...

David Linden | 640 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a good point about ensuring the Bill is as flexible as possible, and...

Kevin Foster | 640 cc1021-2 (Link to this contribution)

Bereavement leave should be a day one right, and I am reasonably supportive of the hon. Gentleman...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. Does he agree that amendments 6, 21 and 24 would not w...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

The amendments would widen the scope a bit. An employee aged 61, 62 or 63 might lose a relative i...

Will Quince | 640 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. I do not usually disagree with my hon. Friend the Memb...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, and I take on board what he says. Perhaps my hon. Fr...

Will Quince | 640 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with the points that my hon. Friend is making. The key thing is getting the Bill ...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

I take the points my hon. Friend is making. As I said at the outset, I fully support the Bill—I h...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1023 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some excellent points. The Bill has an impact on the Treasury, with an a...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously my hon. Friend is right to say that a balance needs to be struck. On issues such as how...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

Given that I referred to my hon. Friend, I had best let him intervene.

James Cartlidge | 640 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the key point is the difference between rigidity and clarity. The fact that management and...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1024 (Link to this contribution)

We are introducing the Bill to set out in law more clarity on what Parliament expects. We have to...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

It must be wonderful being one of my hon. Friend’s constituents—we will all be emailing him at 3 ...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I am about to hear it now, so I happily give way.

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to come back on this point. We are clearly dealing with a minimum here. We expect empl...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board my hon. Friend’s point, but legislating is not just about sending a signal—we can...

Will Quince | 640 c1025 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton (Kevin Hollinrake) makes a good point. The Bill e...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making the point that this is about the minimum rather than the maximu...

Chris Philp | 640 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on his extremely detailed and thoughtful speech. Will he confirm my...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my hon. Friend’s interpretation is correct, but perhaps the Minister will cover that...

Michelle Donelan | 640 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

I echo hon. Members’ comments about the Bill setting the minimum, but it is important that we als...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1027 (Link to this contribution)

I recognise that for some employers, particularly microbusinesses in which there might be only tw...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1027 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a strong point. The world of work is certainly changing. He will be aware of...

Kevin Foster | 640 cc1027-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for helping to bring some clarity to the matter. I did not want to get bac...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1028-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Torbay (Kevin Foster).

I thank the hon. Memb...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

May I put on record my thanks to the hon. Lady for her work on this Bill, particularly during Com...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1029-1030 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his kind words. What the Bill has shown, across this House, is the...

Edward Argar | 640 c1030 (Link to this contribution)

It was a pleasure to serve with the hon. Lady on the Bill Committee. She is absolutely right to h...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1030-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point, and I was just about to move on to that. I agree who...

Patrick Grady | 640 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hard work that my hon. Friend has put into this Bill and the passion with wh...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1031-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. We have to bear it in mind that the relationship between...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1032 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making some powerful points. She is right that this is about the impact on the p...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1032-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I listened very carefully to the personal examp...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

I remember speaking at an event on child loss at which a solicitor who had acted in many, many ca...

Patricia Gibson | 640 c1033 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady’s point is very well made, and I could not agree more. The initial input at the ear...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 cc1033-4 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to follow the hon. Member for North Ayrshire and Arran (Patricia Gibson). S...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1034 (Link to this contribution)

If someone adopts a child, they become the parent as far as the law is concerned. There are also ...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 cc1034-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, as he often is. That is why I was so delighted to add my name...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very good point. Does he agree that the bonus of his amendment 17 is t...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1035 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He has the benefit of being a lawyer and will therefore have ...

Bill Esterson | 640 cc1035-7 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important and sensitive issue. I am acutely aware that some Members who have been invo...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1037 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making good points and speaking very movingly. Does he accept that this is ...

Bill Esterson | 640 cc1037-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right and I commend him on promoting this Bill. I would like to pick up on ...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1038 (Link to this contribution)

Does the shadow Minister agree that this is about setting a floor, not a ceiling?

Bill Esterson | 640 cc1038-9 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree. I believe that bereavement pay rightly has the support of the whole House. It is im...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I remember serving on my very first Bill Comm...

Bill Esterson | 640 c1039 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman thinks that by doing so he can waste time and delay the debate on the next ...

Michelle Donelan | 640 cc1039-1040 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak. My heart goes out to everybody who has been affe...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 c1040 (Link to this contribution)

For those who lose a child in childbirth or before birth—for example a stillbirth—there would hav...

Michelle Donelan | 640 c1040 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. The state and the taxpayer have a responsibility to contribute. If someone is...

James Cartlidge | 640 c1040 (Link to this contribution)

I have been looking for information about international comparisons, and the reason why there is ...

Michelle Donelan | 640 cc1040-1 (Link to this contribution)

I completely echo my hon. Friend’s comments. I pay tribute to my hon. Friends the Members for Thi...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some excellent points. As I am sure she is aware, there is a consultatio...

Michelle Donelan | 640 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention and for clarifying that very specific time of 11.45 p...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1041 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the priority is that the provisions do not become a cliff edge, me...

Michelle Donelan | 640 c1042 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his contribution. He made that point earlier and he is right that we n...

Chris Philp | 640 cc1042-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Chippenham (Michelle Donelan) and to speak i...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the comments that my hon. Friend has just made about the amendments. Does he agree t...

Chris Philp | 640 c1043 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has put it extremely well, far better than I did. It is, of course, right for us t...

James Cartlidge | 640 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very good speech. Some powerful arguments have been made on both sides...

Chris Philp | 640 c1044 (Link to this contribution)

I see that my hon. Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton is indicating his agreement with my ho...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

I can confirm that my hon. Friend’s interpretation is correct. I wanted to make clear what the st...

Chris Philp | 640 c1045 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his additional clarification. We are in complete agreement.

Robert Courts | 640 cc1045-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to speak in the debate. I have been greatly moved by what has been said by...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1046 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the firm message that we want to send to the Minister is that the ...

Robert Courts | 640 cc1046-7 (Link to this contribution)

As so often, my hon. Friend makes the point that I was seeking to make, but more succinctly and e...

Anne-Marie Trevelyan | 640 c1047 (Link to this contribution)

I commend those who have brought this Bill forward and those who have suffered personal loss. Amo...

Robert Courts | 640 cc1047-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend powerfully makes the very point I want to make. For any human being, burying a chi...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1048 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that that is the benefit of saying the notice must be reasonable or, as...

Robert Courts | 640 cc1048-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend rightly draws my attention to amendment 17, and the fact that I have not referred ...

Nigel Huddleston | 640 cc1049-1051 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, as always, to follow my always eloquent hon. Friend the Member for Witney (Robe...

David Linden | 640 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

From evidence given to us by CLIC Sargent, we know that the NHS provides cancer treatment for you...

Nigel Huddleston | 640 c1051 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. We need to factor in other considerations, which is why I...

James Cartlidge | 640 cc1051-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Mid Worcestershire (Nigel Huddleston), w...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1052 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some excellent points. It might not seem that we have best reason for ta...

James Cartlidge | 640 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for clarifying the point. Indeed, I did note that from the consultation do...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1053 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. Underpinning all this are the general principles and our expec...

James Cartlidge | 640 cc1053-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention and do agree with it. If we were to have the single block but...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 c1054 (Link to this contribution)

We heard similar evidence on the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee, and it is a ...

James Cartlidge | 640 cc1054-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real concern. This whole subject of the changing nature of work is fundamental, and it ma...

Edward Argar | 640 cc1055-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak at this stage of the Bill’s progress. I very much enjoyed my time on th...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1056-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank colleagues on both sides of the House for the moving speeches that they have made. As you...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1058-9 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister makes a good sedentary comment, but I detect a note of sarcasm.

The ser...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

I am reassured by some of what I am hearing from the Minister, but can he be clear that the Gover...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, as is typical. He asked me whether I can be clear, and I can b...

David Linden | 640 c1059 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister say when the Government will respond to that consultation? Have they set a times...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1059-1060 (Link to this contribution)

I fully accept the hon. Gentleman’s point, and we cannot allow this to go on and on. I think that...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1060 (Link to this contribution)

May I clarify for my benefit and that of other Members that the idea is for eight weeks to be the...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1060-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what the Government are trying to find out. It may be that that is not appropriat...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is absolutely right: this is a statutory minimum. So many employers do so much bette...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to consider my hon. Friend’s point. Perhaps I can drop him a line next week, or perh...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

May I suggest that a letter with the information could be placed in the Library, given that we ha...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I thank my hon. Friend very much for that suggestion. I would be very happy to do that and t...

Alan Mak | 640 c1062 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned the desire for a culture change among businesses. Will he continue to en...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1062-3 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. As ever, the good citizens of Havant are very well served. I make the point clearly that I m...

Will Quince | 640 c1063 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that very welcome announcement. It sends a very clear message to employe...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 cc1063-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right: we must lead by example. Offering full pay to our own employees who lose...

Chris Philp | 640 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Minister’s response to my earlier comments. I would point out, however, that the...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend has personal experience in that regard, as his twins were born prematu...

Kevin Foster | 640 c1064 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board some of the points that the Minister is making, but does he accept that “reasonab...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that point and in my brief time not as a lawyer but doing a law degree...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 cc1065-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his very clear representation of the Bill and his responses to the amend...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 640 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I hesitate to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but I am listening carefully to what he is say...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 cc1066-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that informative interruption to my remarks. I was going to move on to the...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned the consultation and invited us to withdraw our amendments. Does he agre...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

I was pleased that my hon. Friend explained what otiose means. He is absolutely right that the Bi...

Kevin Foster | 640 cc1068-9 (Link to this contribution)

It has been fascinating to listen to the past few hours of debate, and I am pleased by the discus...

Kevin Hollinrake | 640 cc1069-1070 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

With your leave, Madam Deputy Spea...

Bill Esterson | 640 cc1070-1 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton (Kevin Hollinrake) on the fine way in which ...

Scott Mann | 640 cc1071-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is not often that we get to our feet in this place to ask the question: why was this not done ...

Bob Stewart | 640 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

It strikes me that we should also pay great tribute to the employers who give people as much time...

Scott Mann | 640 cc1072-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is exactly right: we are dealing with only a small proportion of employers. Many g...

Patricia Gibson | 640 cc1073-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will test your patience for a moment, Madam Deputy Speaker, by repeating some of the earlier re...

Will Quince | 640 cc1074-7 (Link to this contribution)

This is indeed a great day. I did not come into politics with the thoughts of being a baby loss c...

David Linden | 640 c1076 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to follow the hon. Member for Colchester (Will Quince), who made such a mov...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 cc1076-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a huge pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Glasgow East (David Linden) and hear his supp...

Michael Tomlinson | 640 c1078 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. She is making such a powerful speech. I well...

Antoinette Sandbach | 640 c1078 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for my hon. Friend’s intervention. We are making history today. I hope that pa...

Mike Wood | 640 cc1078-1080 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to be able to speak in this debate and to follow the moving contributions o...

Lord Harrington of Watford | 640 c1079 (Link to this contribution)

I will not go through the long list of speakers, because other Members have already done so. Let ...

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