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Domestic Gas and Electricity (Tariff Cap) Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 6 March 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Greg Clark. The answering member was Rebecca Long Bailey.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on Committal to a Public Bill Committee, proceedings in Committee, on Report and up to and including Third reading, and other proceedings. Agreed to on question.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
637 cc205-277 
Session
2017-19
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Greg Clark | 637 c205 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Virtually every household in the co...

Gareth Thomas | 637 c205 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the problem with the Bill the fact that it locks the stable door after the horse has bolte...


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Greg Clark | 637 cc205-6 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the hon. Gentleman. As I will go on to explain, part of the problem that we are a...

Stephen Crabb | 637 c206 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a very important point about regulation, but is not part of the co...

Greg Clark | 637 c206 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my right hon. Friend, and I was making the point that we have long been a pioneer in...

Albert Owen | 637 c206 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself in agreement with the Secretary of State and shall support the Bill. Indeed, I am i...

Greg Clark | 637 c206 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and I was saying in response to my right hon. Friend the Member ...

Rebecca Pow | 637 c206 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is making a valid case for the Bill, which, after all, is all about fairne...

Greg Clark | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I quite agree with my hon. Friend. In fact, the Competition and Markets Authority found that, in ...

Desmond Swayne | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who has benefited significantly from changing my supplier a number of occasions, my co...

Greg Clark | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend personifies engagement and activity, so it does not surprise me that he has ...

Greg Clark | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a bit of progress, but I will give way to the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Fr...

Lord Field of Birkenhead | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

On protecting the vulnerable, we know that the most vulnerable do not move around, despite having...

Greg Clark | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes an important point. That is not within the scope of the Bill, whic...

Lord Field of Birkenhead | 637 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I am pushing the Secretary of State on this, but even if we cannot get an amendment because the l...

Greg Clark | 637 c208 (Link to this contribution)

There already is a cap for those on prepayment meters, and that is being extended to some of thos...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c208 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way and I welcome the Bill, which will do a great deal ...

Greg Clark | 637 c208 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a very important point. The statutory instrument that will allow that data sh...

James Heappey | 637 c208 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the report that the march of technology was not correcting the market quickly enough...

Greg Clark | 637 c209 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has captured the position very succinctly. That is exactly the point. These remedi...

Yvonne Fovargue | 637 c209 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Bill, but does the Secretary of State not agree that, while it may tackle the so-ca...

Greg Clark | 637 c209 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill focuses narrowly on a problem that the independent inquiry has exposed as being very sig...

Stephen Kerr | 637 c209 (Link to this contribution)

I fully support the Bill, but I have a question about Ofgem. The Secretary of State has mentioned...

Greg Clark | 637 c209 (Link to this contribution)

I too would like to see greater agility on the part of the regulator. It seems to me that its pow...

Caroline Flint | 637 c210 (Link to this contribution)

Do the Government not already have powers, under section 26 of the Energy Act 2010, to introduce ...

Greg Clark | 637 c210 (Link to this contribution)

It is true that Ofgem has said that it might be challenged in the courts. I do not think we shoul...

John Redwood | 637 c210 (Link to this contribution)

I fully support the effort to lower energy prices, and competitive markets should be able to do t...

Greg Clark | 637 c210 (Link to this contribution)

The capacity auction arrangements that have been pursued over the last few years have been very s...

James Heappey | 637 c210 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend the Member for Wokingham (John Redwood) made a good point, but does the Secr...

Greg Clark | 637 cc210-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have already had the pleasure of debating that issue. The ...

Mark Pawsey | 637 c211 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State talks about the setting of the cap, and setting it at the right level in t...

Greg Clark | 637 c211 (Link to this contribution)

I am. There has been recognition from Ofgem that this role is perhaps more important than was sug...

Mark Menzies | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

Can my right hon. Friend assure me that any changes to the price cap will also take into account ...

Greg Clark | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

The arrangements for prepayment meters will continue separately from these provisions, not least ...

Kevin Hollinrake | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

The whole House wants to help those in vulnerable circumstances in particular. My right hon. Frie...

Greg Clark | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point, and my Department will work closely with Ofgem to ensure...

Albert Owen | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

The regulator will need time to consult before the Bill’s provisions are enacted. Is the right ho...

Greg Clark | 637 c212 (Link to this contribution)

I am indeed confident of that, and it is one of the reasons why I am so grateful for the swift at...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc212-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the Bill is before the House today, but I must express my exasperation that it ...

James Heappey | 637 c213 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady underlines the fact that the harshness of the recent weather will have increased en...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 c213 (Link to this contribution)

The emergency payments were certainly welcome—I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comment—but the ...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c213 (Link to this contribution)

Given that electricity prices rose by 44% between 2003 and 2007, will the hon. Lady outline what ...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc213-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes an interesting point. I think that both sides of the House have reached somet...

Simon Clarke | 637 c214 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I dispute the hon. Lady’s claim that we are in accord on energy policy. The Opposit...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I refer the hon. Gentleman to the Labour party’s manifesto, which clearly states that we wish to ...

Gareth Thomas | 637 c214 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland (Mr Clarke) deliberately misinterprets...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc214-5 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly support my hon. Friend’s fantastic point. I think that our manifesto commitments...

Mark Pawsey | 637 c215 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady support the sunset clause, which means that this legislation will not apply in...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point, and I will refer to this later in my submission. The...

James Heappey | 637 c216 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Secretary of State is kind to give way to me a second time. Does she agree that anothe...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that very helpful comment. I have not opposed the Bill in any of m...

Gareth Thomas | 637 c217 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way a second time. Is it not a problem—and deeply iron...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 cc217-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a fantastic point. Many people across Britain find the situation absurd.

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Mark Menzies | 637 c218 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making suggestions to improve the Bill, so what role does she see for the Compet...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 c218 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. We would expect all stakeholders to be engaged in ...

Jim Cunningham | 637 c218 (Link to this contribution)

In answer to the question asked by the hon. Member for Fylde (Mark Menzies), the regulator is sup...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 637 c218 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a fantastic point about the need for a fundamental root-and-branch look into...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 637 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As Members can see, many colleagues are trying to get in on this debate. If Members could ...

John Penrose | 637 c219 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker; I will try to edit as I go.

Today is a great day. To those...

Stephen Crabb | 637 c219 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for his hard work in ensuring that the Bill was brought forward. ...

John Penrose | 637 cc219-220 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is a co-signatory to the letter, for which I thank him, and he makes an impo...

Caroline Flint | 637 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Some 5 million people are already benefiting from the price cap for those on pre-payment meters o...

John Penrose | 637 c220 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is one of the co-organisers of the letter, and I thank her again for her help...

Bim Afolami | 637 c220 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend knows a great deal about this issue. Is not the point that this is not a price fre...

John Penrose | 637 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that there is a difference between a freeze and a cap, but there are a couple of things t...

Oliver Letwin | 637 c220 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend knows, I have some sympathy with his arguments. Does he recognise that, as draf...

John Penrose | 637 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I wish I shared my right hon. Friend’s confidence in Ofgem. All the discussion of the Bill so far...

Oliver Letwin | 637 c221 (Link to this contribution)

Looking at clause 2(1)(b), as drafted, it seems perfectly clear to me that Ofgem will have to set...

John Penrose | 637 c221 (Link to this contribution)

But as my right hon. Friend will know, it is also stated elsewhere, particularly in the guidance ...

John Penrose | 637 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one more time and then I will have to make some progress, because Madam Deputy Sp...

Oliver Letwin | 637 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will not press the point beyond this. Does my hon. Friend not need to distinguish bet...

John Penrose | 637 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

We will need to come back to this matter, but it would be tremendously helpful if Ofgem came up w...

Alan Brown | 637 cc222-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Weston-super-Mare (John Penrose). He has clearly d...

Robert Halfon | 637 cc223-6 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for having to leave soon after I have spoken, but I am hosting another event elsewher...

Peter Kyle | 637 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Robert Halfon | 637 cc226-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would normally be pleased to take interventions but, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I wil...

Rachel Reeves | 637 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the right hon. Member for Harlow (Robert Halfon).

I welcome the B...

John Penrose | 637 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for giving way; I will try to keep this brief. Does she accept that that cr...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c228 (Link to this contribution)

When we took evidence from the big six companies and probed them on where their profits came from...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the fellow member of my Committee.

Mark Pawsey | 637 c229 (Link to this contribution)

We heard a lot of evidence from the challenger companies. There are 60 suppliers in the energy ma...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that does not happen. Ofgem and the Competition and Markets Authority are putting the cap ...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, I am not going to give way again, otherwise I am going to get into trouble with Madam Depu...

Rachel Reeves | 637 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed.

There are two areas where the Government need to take action to ensure that, once t...

Oliver Letwin | 637 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

In the interests of brevity, I want to make one point about the rationale for the cap that I do n...

John Penrose | 637 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I seek a little further reassurance from my right hon. Friend. He seems to be coming up with an e...

Oliver Letwin | 637 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

Who knows? The point I was just about to make is that the Bill will hand the whole thing over to ...

Gareth Thomas | 637 cc231-2 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the right hon. Member for West Dorset (Sir Oliver Letwin) that we collectively owe p...

Albert Owen | 637 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the author of the Bill would agree with me that one model is the not-for-profit Welsh W...

Gareth Thomas | 637 cc232-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point. If I may, I commend to him and the whole House the Co-ope...

Mark Menzies | 637 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial ...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Judicial review provides a remedy when Ofgem is acting unreasonably. If it is acting reasonably, ...

Mark Menzies | 637 cc234-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid point. We would not want a situation in which energy companies, espe...

Greg Clark | 637 c235 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises reasonable questions about whether the approach that is taken will be fair....

Mark Menzies | 637 c235 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for his intervention. Steps like that seek to reassure me. As the ...

Geraint Davies | 637 c235 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Mark Menzies | 637 c236 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, as I want to make a bit more progress.

I would struggle to support a Bill that ...

Caroline Flint | 637 cc236-7 (Link to this contribution)

Today is a political lesson in never giving up. Despite all the lobbying noise of vested interest...

Geraint Davies | 637 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening fascinated to my right hon. Friend’s speech. She is aware that there has been a hi...

Caroline Flint | 637 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and I am going to come on to renewables. Ministers should beware of any proposal to e...

Oliver Letwin | 637 c238 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening with increasing admiration to the right hon. Lady’s speech, which reminds me of wh...

Caroline Flint | 637 c238 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the cross-party support that continues to blossom on this issue.

I urge Ministers...

James Heappey | 637 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important Bill that comes from a very good manifesto commitment. Our energy market is ...

Bim Afolami | 637 c239 (Link to this contribution)

Does not the Bill show the Government’s general approach to intervention in markets, which we hav...

James Heappey | 637 c239 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is indeed right. To resort to my former career as a soldier, I hope that the Gover...

Rebecca Pow | 637 c239 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has great knowledge of this subject. Will he comment on the fact that we need to c...

James Heappey | 637 c240 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree. Let us be clear that energy efficiency measures are no longer simply barrier t...

Alex Sobel | 637 cc240-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have lived my whole adult life under the liberal energy market —an oligopoly—that was created b...

Mark Pawsey | 637 c242 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Leeds North West (Alex Sobel). Unlike him, I do re...

Caroline Flint | 637 c242 (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Gentleman be surprised to learn that it was only in 1998 that people were first ab...

Mark Pawsey | 637 cc242-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is a concern, but let us not forget who owned these businesses at the time. In many instance...

Patricia Gibson | 637 cc244-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have long expressed concern and alarm at the way the energy market simply does not seem to work...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c246 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North Ayrshire and Arran (Patricia Gibson). I agre...

Caroline Flint | 637 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that we are talking about decades—I do not think that the market we ended up with was on...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 cc246-7 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that transparency is key, but I do not think that the price rises would have been hidden ...

Caroline Flint | 637 c247 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making an important point. Does she agree that it worth looking at how we could ...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c247 (Link to this contribution)

We are already seeing those kinds of mechanisms with MoneySuperMarket.com and other organisations...

Claire O'Neill | 637 c247 (Link to this contribution)

I am cautious not to make too many interventions because Members are making great speeches, but I...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c247 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen that the cap works for the vulnerable customers who have had their energy prices cap...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c248 (Link to this contribution)

I must sit down soon; I have taken many interventions.

We must make data far more available...

Drew Hendry | 637 c248 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my Select Committee colleague, the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Antoinet...

Lindsay Hoyle | 637 c248 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Can I just help a little bit? We have asked Members if they can do up to eight minutes, an...

Antoinette Sandbach | 637 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I will keep it brief, Mr Deputy Speaker. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that energy efficiency mea...

Drew Hendry | 637 c249 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, absolutely. There needs to be an acceptance that this is just one measure and there are many...

Patricia Gibson | 637 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a very brief intervention if I may, Mr Deputy Speaker. As I said in my speech, we are...

Drew Hendry | 637 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. To assist, Mr Deputy Speaker, I will take no more interventions during the re...

Rebecca Pow | 637 cc250-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow so many eloquent speakers, almost all of whom agree that this is a very se...

Rebecca Pow | 637 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I believe the Minister opened the event. This gadget listens to the amount of gas in one’s meter ...

Albert Owen | 637 cc252-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Taunton Deane (Rebecca Pow) is right to say that we have heard many good spee...

Stephen Crabb | 637 c254 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making an important point about rural consumers who rely on off-grid gas an...

Albert Owen | 637 c254 (Link to this contribution)

No. I think more has to be done. I hope that the energy cap sunset clause will enable us, working...

Lindsay Hoyle | 637 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are 10 speakers left, so I suggest that they speak for six minutes each.

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Bill Grant | 637 cc254-6 (Link to this contribution)

It would be prudent at this time for me to thank the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Com...

Ben Bradley | 637 cc255-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock (Bill Grant). I...

Simon Clarke | 637 cc257-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to make a few brief remarks in a debate that has been, perhaps,...

Jack Brereton | 637 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

As a number of Members have said, the issue of domestic gas and electricity supply is particularl...

Richard Graham | 637 cc260-2 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to contribute to the debate, because there is so much to respect about the ...

Peter Aldous | 637 cc262-3 (Link to this contribution)

Going through the briefings that I have received from various organisations representing both con...

Michelle Donelan | 637 cc263-5 (Link to this contribution)

For too long many of my constituents and people living across the UK have been trying to manage o...

Stephen Crabb | 637 cc264-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to be called to say a few words in support of this useful piece of legislation...

Stephen Kerr | 637 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to make a short contribution to the debate on this important Bill. I pay particular tribut...

John Bercow | 637 c267 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I was rather hoping that the hon. Gentleman was going to furnish us with the page referenc...

Stephen Kerr | 637 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am unable to furnish you with the page number in “The Wealth of Nations”, Mr Speaker, but you a...

Lee Rowley | 637 cc268-270 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity to speak. It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend t...

Alan Whitehead | 637 cc269-273 (Link to this contribution)

This afternoon we have witnessed the House at its best. I think it is fair to say that we have ha...

Claire O'Neill | 637 cc273-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my opposite number, the hon. Member for Southampton, Test (Dr Whitehead), for his charact...

Mark Menzies | 637 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for the way in which she has engaged with me and other colleagues who had co...

Claire O'Neill | 637 cc274-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend. I would also like to put on record my thanks to the hon. Member for North...

Albert Owen | 637 c275 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the Minister and the Secretary of State for honouring their commitment to take t...

Claire O'Neill | 637 cc275-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman anticipates a point I was going to make about many contributions about the cal...

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