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Leaving the EU: Live Farm Animal Exports

e-petition debate on Monday, 26 February 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Steve Double. The answering members were David Drew and George Eustice.
Motion that this House has considered e-petition 200205 relating to ending the export of live farm animals after the UK leaves the EU. Agreed to on question. Sitting adjourned without Question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
636 cc217-258WH 
Session
2017-19
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Steve Double | 636 cc217-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 200205 relating to ending the expo...

Neil Parish | 636 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that we have to be clear that when animals are ready to be killed, they...


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Steve Double | 636 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend pre-empts a point that I will make later. We need to differentiate between animals...

Bob Stewart | 636 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

We may not be able to legislate before we leave the European Union, but we could certainly sugges...

Steve Double | 636 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, and we should certainly consider that. If, for any reason, our...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman accepts, as I think he does, that transporting live animals for long period...

Steve Double | 636 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

From researching the issue and speaking to many people in the industry about it, I think the real...

Alistair Carmichael | 636 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be aware that the matter is currently regulated by EC Regulation No. 1/20...

Steve Double | 636 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

There are genuine concerns. A lot of documented and anecdotal evidence suggests that the existing...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 636 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

Surely it is not just about the conditions—grim though they may be—in which animals are transport...

Steve Double | 636 cc219-220WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. The petition calls for a ban on the export of live animals, bu...

Colin Clark | 636 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s mention of choppy waters brings me to my feet. The right hon. Member for Orkney ...

Steve Double | 636 c221WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point about the local situation in the UK, which has a very well deve...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 cc221-3WH (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Mr Wilson. I thank the Petitions Committee for a...

Theresa Villiers | 636 c223WH (Link to this contribution)

I believe that in 1992 it was a Conservative Government who sought to impose import restrictions,...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c223WH (Link to this contribution)

I am talking about 2012, which is far more recent than that, and as I said the Government went al...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 636 c223WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a very good speech and I just want to add one more point. I believe that ...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 cc224-5WH (Link to this contribution)

As is often the case—perhaps not on the wider Brexit issue, but on this specific issue— I totally...

Colin Clark | 636 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

I have spoken about livestock moving the significant distances between the islands, from Orkney a...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

I cannot comment on the standard, seeing as I have never looked into it, but I am happy to take t...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

Once we leave the EU, we will completely lose control over the welfare standards of any animals t...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman wants to argue for not having live exports across the border from the north...

Alistair Carmichael | 636 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

The difficulty with the hon. Lady’s argument is that we either ban exports or we do not. A ban is...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c226WH (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman is arguing that we need a hard border with Ireland, which will then p...

David Amess | 636 cc226-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) on his introdu...

Bob Stewart | 636 c227WH (Link to this contribution)

I have always understood it that if animals are worried or hugely concerned, it has a direct impa...

David Amess | 636 cc227-8WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, as ever, has hit the nail on the head. He is absolutely right. Government figures...

Alister Jack | 636 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with my hon. Friend that it is preferable to move all meat on the hook rather ...

David Amess | 636 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

I understand what my hon. Friend is saying. There are a number of Scottish Members here. I am not...

David Amess | 636 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes. The RSPCA is lobbying for a maximum journey time of eight hours for all animals travelling f...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c229WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right about leaving the EU, but he is not right about our standards....

David Amess | 636 cc229-230WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to fall out with my hon. Friend on this issue, particularly as he is a tropical fi...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Southend West (Sir David Amess), who I think...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has just said that I said there were not any rules, but I said nothing of the ...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

I thought the hon. Lady said that we tried to object to the eight-hour limit in the European Unio...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

I have given the matter a great deal of thought and it occurs to me that we should not ban live e...

Roger Gale | 636 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

I think my hon. Friend has missed the entire point of the debate. The point is not that animals s...

Bill Wiggin | 636 cc231-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I hate to disagree with my hon. Friend, but if he reads the petition, he will see that it states:...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think it is possible to transport in a civilised manner very young calves fro...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

At the moment we have got the worst possible case where the roll-on/roll-off ferries will not tak...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again. Surely if one were even to come close to applying th...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

It is far better to achieve a ban by making it economically difficult because the standards are s...

Theresa Villiers | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

In my ten-minute rule Bill, I proposed an exemption for north-south exports on the island of Irel...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

It did not stop horsemeat getting into our supermarkets either, and that is the problem. Once we ...

Roger Gale | 636 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend; he is being very generous. He just said that once the animals le...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately for my hon. Friend, that will not be possible, because we are not proposing an expo...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 636 cc233-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Wilson. I would hazard a guess that, unusua...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 636 c235WH (Link to this contribution)

Of course—I am surprised that the hon. Lady has waited so long.

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c235WH (Link to this contribution)

I did get an invite to that event— I think I was actually speaking at something else that afterno...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 636 c235WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry if there was anything in the invitation that put the hon. Lady off, but it was very mu...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c236WH (Link to this contribution)

Economic pressure is a far better way of achieving what my hon. Friend wants than legislative pre...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 636 c236WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend made his points very well during his speech, and I was very pleased to hear them.<...

Colin Clark | 636 cc236-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Wilson.

Animal cruelty always raises p...

Theresa Villiers | 636 cc239-240WH (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Wilson, and to take part in a debate on such ...

David Linden | 636 c240WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Lady accept that that is a matter for the devolved Scottish Government, and n...

Theresa Villiers | 636 cc240-1WH (Link to this contribution)

Actually, the question I am posing to the Minister is about whether it is a reserved matter. Whet...

David Simpson | 636 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to the debate intensely, but I still have not got an answer on the issue of a tra...

Theresa Villiers | 636 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

There are still risks that the rules we put in place will not be enforced, but that is a reason t...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

My concern is that if the price of sheep went up significantly in France, anybody who wanted to c...

Theresa Villiers | 636 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that that would be a consequence. It is possible to put together a legal formulat...

Roger Gale | 636 cc241-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) on introducing...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 636 c242WH (Link to this contribution)

I am a crofter who sells lambs every autumn because I run out of grazing. We have a slaughterhous...

Roger Gale | 636 c243WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has greater expertise in this narrow field than me, particularly since he farm...

Alistair Carmichael | 636 cc243-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to welcome you to the Chair, Mr Hollobone. May I place on the record my gratitud...

Roger Gale | 636 c244WH (Link to this contribution)

If I accept the idea of cruise liner facilities being offered for cattle shipped from the islands...

Alistair Carmichael | 636 c244WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s question prompts another question: what control is there to be within our do...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c244WH (Link to this contribution)

There is one other alternative. In that scenario, if we allowed live exports to continue, any ani...

Alistair Carmichael | 636 cc244-6WH (Link to this contribution)

If the objection is to sea transportation, it strikes me as slightly ironic that one possible con...

Philip Hollobone | 636 c246WH (Link to this contribution)

We come to the Front-Bench speeches, after which Steve Double will have a few minutes to sum up t...

David Linden | 636 cc246-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, as always, to see you in the Chair, Mr Hollobone. I commend the hon. Member for...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 636 c248WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point, and I also want to echo the point made by the right hon. ...

David Linden | 636 c248WH (Link to this contribution)

It may benefit the House to know that my wife is from Na h-Eileanan an Iar—perhaps the second bes...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 636 c248WH (Link to this contribution)

One of the potential consequences of a ban, if Her Majesty’s Scottish Government do not invoke su...

David Linden | 636 cc248-9WH (Link to this contribution)

Without straying into the territory of ram prices, which is not something we routinely discuss in...

David Drew | 636 cc249-252WH (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hollobone, as I was to serve under that of Mr...

George Eustice | 636 cc252-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for St Austell and Newquay (Steve Double) on opening the...

Kerry McCarthy | 636 c254WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful that the Minister has allowed me to intervene, because that point was also made ear...

George Eustice | 636 cc254-6WH (Link to this contribution)

We hear of all sorts of different positions on this issue from the Opposition at the moment. I si...

Bill Wiggin | 636 c256WH (Link to this contribution)

Surely that is one of the low-hanging fruit, and something that we could look into improving in o...

George Eustice | 636 cc256-8WH (Link to this contribution)

Enforcement is an important issue, but I would say that in that case we do have, as I said, 100% ...

Steve Double | 636 c258WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank all right hon. and hon. Members for their contributions to this lively and informative de...

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