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UK Amphibious Capability

Debate on Tuesday, 21 November 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent. The answering members were Wayne David and Harriett Baldwin.
Motion that this House has considered UK amphibious capability. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
631 cc297-323WH 
Session
2017-19
Department
Ministry of Defence
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Work of the Department 2017.
Wednesday, 25 October 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
UK amphibious capability in the 21st century
Friday, 17 November 2017
Research briefings
National Security Capability Review.
Tuesday, 14 November 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 cc297-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered UK amphibious capability.

It is genuine...

Julian Lewis | 631 c298WH (Link to this contribution)

In support of what the hon. Lady just said, may I remind her that when the former Secretary of St...


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Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 c298WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. At this point, we need to agree what capabilities we need, and then what ...

Lord Beamish | 631 c298WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the black hole is of the Government’s own making? In 2013, they in...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 cc298-9WH (Link to this contribution)

We need to be very clear about how big the hole is in the equipment budget. That has not happened...

Lord Beamish | 631 c299WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is not only the cuts to equipment such as Albion and Bulwark th...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 c299WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. Having visited our Royal Marines in the Arctic to observe their training,...

Paul Sweeney | 631 c299WH (Link to this contribution)

This comes after the loss of a landing ship dock auxiliary from the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Largs B...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 c299WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has pre-empted the next paragraph of my speech. Why on earth, having spent £7 bill...

Rebecca Pow | 631 c300WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making an extremely powerful point, which makes me ask why we would cut the serv...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 cc300-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. Our Royal Marines work day in, day out—40 Commando and all the others—to ...

Lord Beamish | 631 c301WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the fleet protection role that 43 Commando plays in securing our n...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 c301WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. I have visited 43 Commando and seen up close the work that it does protec...

James Gray | 631 c302WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. A glance around the room indicates that a large number of hon. Members are trying to catch...

Mark Francois | 631 cc302-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Mr Gray, I am grateful to be called in this important debate, which relates to one of the most im...

Rebecca Pow | 631 c303WH (Link to this contribution)

The Royal Marines are also extremely good value for money. That has to be included. They comprise...

Mark Francois | 631 c303WH (Link to this contribution)

I believe they are extremely good value for money and extremely capable, but this still brings us...

Luke Pollard | 631 cc303-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for...

Kevin Foster | 631 c304WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I congratulate the hon. Member for St...

Kevin Foster | 631 c305WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport (Luke Pollard). He ...

Madeleine Moon | 631 c305WH (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the hon. Gentleman. I think today is about history. If we do not learn our lesson...

Kevin Foster | 631 cc305-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I partly agree with the hon. Lady. If we went back to history, we would still have cavalry, becau...

Phil Wilson | 631 cc306-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I congratulate the hon. Member for St...

James Gray | 631 c307WH (Link to this contribution)

Mr Gray will do. Mr Speaker might object to you calling me that.

Johnny Mercer | 631 c307WH (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry; I am half asleep. It is only a matter of time.

I want to make three really c...

Johnny Mercer | 631 cc307-8WH (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting intervention —in fact, I am just going to ignore it because it was pretty ...

Lord Spellar | 631 c308WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman and fellow member of the Defence Committee for giving way, but may I s...

James Gray | 631 c308WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. In the context of UK amphibious capability, Johnny Mercer.

Johnny Mercer | 631 c308WH (Link to this contribution)

I take the point. All I will say to that is that while I am here, I am determined that we will se...

Madeleine Moon | 631 cc308-310WH (Link to this contribution)

Like everyone else, I want to start by thanking my colleague and friend, my hon. Friend the Membe...

James Gray | 631 c310WH (Link to this contribution)

We have 15 minutes left for five speakers. I call Leo Docherty.

10.15 am

Leo Docherty | 631 cc310-1WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray, and I am grateful to the hon. Member ...

Jim Shannon | 631 c311WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Ruth Smeeth) for bringing this issue to the Hou...

Gregory Campbell | 631 c311WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is vital that the Department, the Minister and the Treasury und...

Jim Shannon | 631 cc311-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that is exactly right. We in this debate are all saying the same thing.

Our Royal Mari...

Andrew Bowie | 631 cc312-3WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a genuine pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I congratulate the hon. Membe...

James Gray | 631 c313WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. This is a little wide of the topic.

Andrew Bowie | 631 c313WH (Link to this contribution)

I found out two weeks ago that of the Army’s current strength of 70,000, almost 18,000 soldiers f...

Sheryll Murray | 631 cc313-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Ruth Smeeth) for bringing this debate to the Ho...

Robert Courts | 631 c314WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I shall be brief; there are jus...

James Gray | 631 c315WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate hon. Members on their self-restraint. We have heard 11 Back Benchers between the o...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c315WH (Link to this contribution)

It is very good to see you in the Chair, Mr Gray. I thank my colleague on the Defence Committee, ...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 631 c315WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, given that the Government designated 2017 as the “Year of the Nav...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 cc315-6WH (Link to this contribution)

Of course I totally agree with my hon. Friend.

Let us turn to our allies. The Kingdom of th...

James Gray | 631 c316WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman’s speech must be on the context of the UK amphibious capability.

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c316WH (Link to this contribution)

It is an important point, Mr Gray, about the accounts—

James Gray | 631 c316WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. That does not matter. The hon. Gentleman’s speech must be on the context of the UK amphibi...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 cc316-7WH (Link to this contribution)

While many will talk convincingly about the need for tough decisions to be made on amphibious cap...

James Gray | 631 c317WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman must contain himself to the UK amphibious capability. He may not talk a...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c317WH (Link to this contribution)

I think I was, and I will continue to do so.

Three distinct and unique capabilities underpi...

Andrew Bowie | 631 c317WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c317WH (Link to this contribution)

Certainly. I am looking forward to this.

Andrew Bowie | 631 c317WH (Link to this contribution)

Hon. Members have already mentioned the reaction of our allies, especially the Americans, to pote...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c318WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, the United States recognises that you will not have one, because you cannot afford it.

James Gray | 631 c318WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Please finish briefly, Mr Docherty-Hughes.

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 631 c318WH (Link to this contribution)

I know that many hon. Members—including the Chairman of the Defence Committee, the right hon. Mem...

Wayne David | 631 cc318-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Mem...

Paul Sweeney | 631 c319WH (Link to this contribution)

Labour’s 1998 strategic defence review defined the optimum capability for amphibiosity in the UK ...

Wayne David | 631 cc319-320WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes his point well; I agree absolutely. Let us also bear in mind that the marine...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 cc320-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Ruth Smeeth) on securing this debate—the...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

I am very conscious of time here, but I will give way very briefly.

Wayne David | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. She has talked about speculation, but will she confirm or de...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

I can confirm that there have been press reports. [Laughter.] I can also confirm that we are one ...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

Members are eating into my time, but I will give way to the Chair of the Defence Committee.

Julian Lewis | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, but she does seem to have moved into discussing gen...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c321WH (Link to this contribution)

I can indeed confirm that I not only wrote those words but recall writing them.

Harriett Baldwin | 631 cc321-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I have already made it very clear on the record what today’s position is. [Interruption.]

W...

Carol Monaghan | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way briefly?

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

Members are very much eating into my time, Mr Gray, but I give way.

Carol Monaghan | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for giving way. Of course, the resources that keep us safe are una...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, Mr Gray, I really do not know where to start with that intervention, because the hon. Membe...

James Gray | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. If I may, I will nudge the Minister gently back towards UK amphibious capability.

Harriett Baldwin | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. In our national security capability review, we seek to understand how to spend that growi...

Lord Beamish | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Gray. We have had a very good debate this morning. A lot of questions hav...

James Gray | 631 c322WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point. Of course it is not a point of order; the Min...

Harriett Baldwin | 631 cc322-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Mr Gray, in considering how I respond to this debate, I am very conscious of the lack of time ava...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 631 c323WH (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank all right hon. Members and hon. Members for contributing to this broadly consensua...

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