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Badger Culling

e-petition debate on Monday, 27 March 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Paul Flynn. The answering member was George Eustice.
Motion that this House has considered e-petition 165672 relating to badger culling. Agreed to on question. Sitting adjourned without Question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
624 cc1-34WH 
Session
2016-17
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
E-petition 165672 relating to badger culling
Wednesday, 22 March 2017
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Paul Flynn | 624 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 165672 relating to badger culling....

Stephen Doughty | 624 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some strong points. He spoke about the evidence-free approach being take...


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Paul Flynn | 624 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

The badger has an honoured place in Welsh literature and history—it is known in Wales as mochyn d...

Richard Drax | 624 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman—I do not agree, clearly, but I am listening carefu...

Paul Flynn | 624 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

We could go through every country in the world—I will mention a few others—but I am talking about...

Angela C Smith | 624 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the problem with relating badger culling in England to killing pos...

Paul Flynn | 624 cc2-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, yes. It is deer in Australia, and there are various problems throughout the world, but in...

Rachael Maskell | 624 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

Is that not even more perverse, given that the badger population is responsible for only about 5....

Paul Flynn | 624 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

As we know, there is a great deal of confused and unscientific thinking about this issue. TB can ...

Rachael Maskell | 624 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

TB is also spread by the spreading of slurry on fields. That is not tested, so other measures cou...

Paul Flynn | 624 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

That is a really serious problem. We have been permissive in allowing the spreading of slurry. As...

Danny Kinahan | 624 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that I was not here at the beginning of the hon. Gentleman’s speech—there are certain ...

Paul Flynn | 624 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

That is an entirely intellectually respectable and humane approach to this issue. Krebs looked at...

Rachael Maskell | 624 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being incredibly generous with his time. Is it not really perverse that, throug...

Paul Flynn | 624 cc4-5WH (Link to this contribution)

That demonstrates the Government’s amateurish approach. They wish to get the animals out of the w...

Jessica Morden | 624 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on his excellent speech. As he concludes his remarks, does he agree...

Paul Flynn | 624 cc5-6WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. Unfortunately, because the Welsh Government are the only Labour Government in the United ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Streeter, and to see my hon. Friend t...

Richard Drax | 624 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to my hon. Friend’s excellent speech. Does he agree that those who oppos...

Gary Streeter | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. A reminder that interventions should be brief.

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I commend my hon. Friend for putting some of the facts about wildlife on the record. He is right ...

Paul Monaghan | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman be kind enough to cite the source of the evidence he just supported?

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, the source is evident to any countryman out there. There has been a rapid decline in hedgeh...

Stephen Doughty | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Stephen Doughty | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is on facts and evidence. The hon. Gentleman is generous in giving way. Clearly TB is a terrib...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am so glad that the hon. Gentleman mentioned Wales. In Wales, although BTB has decreased, the c...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I suggest to the hon. Gentleman, before he asks me to give way, that other factors are involved. ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman please be patient? I will give way in a minute. He is jumping up and down...

Stephen Doughty | 624 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is generous. I never suggested that vaccination alone was a solution. The chie...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

I was coming on to the issue of biosecurity, which obviously has something to do with it, as do m...

Rachael Maskell | 624 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 cc8-9WH (Link to this contribution)

No. I did say that I was not going to give way again. Other people want to speak. By the time I f...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

As I was saying, we need to use all the methods at our disposal to get on top of this dreadful di...

Paul Monaghan | 624 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

I said I would not, but since we have had a break, I will give way one more time and no more.

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Paul Monaghan | 624 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is highlighting some alleged facts in rela...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 cc9-10WH (Link to this contribution)

I simply say to the hon. Gentleman, who is an intelligent chap, that every bit of logic points to...

Angela C Smith | 624 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Streeter. I am pleased to follow the hon. M...

Angela C Smith | 624 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

I will of course, although I have not said anything yet!

Richard Drax | 624 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

May I first refer to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, which I forgot to ...

Angela C Smith | 624 cc11-3WH (Link to this contribution)

I am always happy to condemn violence and intimidation of any kind.

I congratulate the lead...

Roger Gale | 624 cc13-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate the hon. Member for Newport West (Paul Flynn) on leading the debate. I want ...

Simon Hart | 624 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

I share a similar position to that of my hon. Friend in the BVA, which believes:

“Badger cu...

Roger Gale | 624 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that the BVA is a faith of many churches. To some extent, it probably depends on whic...

Angela C Smith | 624 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

I, too, am an honorary life member of the BVA. The BVA has made it clear that it does not support...

Roger Gale | 624 cc14-5WH (Link to this contribution)

There is an attitude that we have to use every shot—unfortunately literally in this case—in the l...

Simon Hart | 624 cc15-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I did not expect there to be time for me to speak—I am a late entry—so I am extremely grateful to...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

The farmers would not want a cull if there was another way of doing it, because it is very expens...

Simon Hart | 624 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I am unlucky enough to represent a constituency in one of the ...

Roger Gale | 624 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend quarrel with the fact that in the vaccination areas there has been, at worst,...

Simon Hart | 624 cc16-7WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend made my next point for me. I absolutely recognise that there is a discrepancy betw...

Angela C Smith | 624 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s speech gives rise to two suggestions. One is that he might argue, along with...

Simon Hart | 624 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

I think that you, Mr Paisley, would come after us if we went down the road of discussing the meri...

Paul Flynn | 624 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

It seems extraordinary that the hon. Gentleman brushes aside the fact that Ireland has slaughtere...

Simon Hart | 624 c18WH (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that the Minister will deal with the second part of that intervention. As for the first...

Paul Monaghan | 624 cc18-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Newport West (Paul Flynn) on opening this debate with an excel...

Margaret Ferrier | 624 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

I join my hon. Friend in commending the work done in Scotland to ensure that we have been certifi...

Paul Monaghan | 624 cc19-22WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree, particularly in relation to the evident risks of the spread of infection if a...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 624 cc22-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Paisley, and to have the opportunity to res...

Simon Hart | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to bore Members with this, but that is an annual figure. The hon. Lady needs to look a...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

It may well be an annual figure, but there is still an extraordinarily significant difference bet...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, I consider it to be extraordinary, and I think that many colleagues do, as well.

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

The policing costs for the cull areas would be zero if it were not for the effects of the protest...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. It only goes to show that we really need proper ...

Paul Flynn | 624 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that vaccination has the effect of giving immunity on a continuing basi...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 624 cc24-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. The important thing is that we have effective long-t...

George Eustice | 624 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Paisley. I congratulate all the petiti...

Paul Flynn | 624 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister compare that with what the Irish Government did? They took every action possibl...

George Eustice | 624 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

I was going to return to that matter later, but as the hon. Gentleman has raised it I can deal wi...

Angela C Smith | 624 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister not acknowledge that in their earliest days, the last Labour Government did act...

George Eustice | 624 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

Obviously the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak had an impact, but my point is that there was a loss o...

Paul Monaghan | 624 c28WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has accurately noted some of the initiatives he mentioned at the conclusion of his s...

George Eustice | 624 cc28-9WH (Link to this contribution)

We publish the disease surveillance data annually in August. To pick up on the point that the hon...

Roger Gale | 624 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening very carefully to what the Minister has been saying. I do not understand ho...

George Eustice | 624 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

The issue was looked at extensively during the randomised badger culling trials, and we know that...

Paul Monaghan | 624 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for being so generous with his time. He has given various examples ...

George Eustice | 624 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

It was always recognised that the trials did not have controls alongside them in a scientific way...

Angela C Smith | 624 cc29-30WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for being generous in giving way, and just for people to be clear, my consti...

George Eustice | 624 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

The full benefits of that RBCT trial presented themselves in the years after the report was concl...

Angela C Smith | 624 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

What we are hearing is all very welcome news indeed. I am pleased to have it on the record, but i...

George Eustice | 624 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

I was moving on to that. Data on bovine TV incidence in the cull areas are published annually. Be...

George Eustice | 624 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I have given way generously. I will press on because I believe we may have a Division...

George Eustice | 624 cc31-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I extend my gratitude to everyone who has returned to the debate, as some hon. Members will have ...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 624 c32WH (Link to this contribution)

There has been universal agreement across the House on one point in the debate: if we can find an...

George Eustice | 624 cc32-3WH (Link to this contribution)

One of the challenges of TB is that it is a bacterial disease, and it is notoriously hard to get ...

Paul Flynn | 624 cc33-4WH (Link to this contribution)

The reply that we have had from the Minister is very disappointing. He has said that he will not ...

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