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Defence Expenditure

Debate on Thursday, 27 October 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Julian Lewis. The answering member was Mike Penning.
Debate on a select committee report. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
616 cc179-208WH 
Session
2016-17
Department
Ministry of Defence
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Peter Bone | 616 c179WH (Link to this contribution)

If Members wish to remove their jackets, that is totally in order. I apologise for the fact that ...

Julian Lewis | 616 cc179-180WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the Second Report from the Defence Committee ...


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James Gray | 616 c180WH (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in the chart that my right hon. Friend is describing, which appears as a corrigen...

Julian Lewis | 616 c180WH (Link to this contribution)

It is significant, and it is indeed included on the chart. The only reason why I did not mention ...

Patrick Grady | 616 c180WH (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that some of the money that is counted in the 0.7% official dev...

Julian Lewis | 616 cc180-1WH (Link to this contribution)

We did not find a hard and fast case of double counting, but we noticed in the past that there ar...

James Gray | 616 c181WH (Link to this contribution)

We want four, or we’ll show the Government the door.

Julian Lewis | 616 c181WH (Link to this contribution)

As always, I am delighted to be trumped by my hon. Friend in that direction. That is an absolutel...

Lord Spellar | 616 c181WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, the threshold is important for a whole number of reasons, and we want to look at the overall...

Julian Lewis | 616 c182WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely spot on, and of course that is what underlies my remarks a...

Lord Spellar | 616 c182WH (Link to this contribution)

May we forbear on the nomenclature of the civil service—the so-called efficiency savings? Efficie...

Julian Lewis | 616 cc183-4WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman perfectly exhibits the cross-party basis on which we try to find agreeme...

Peter Bone | 616 c184WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. It may help Members to know that I hope to finish this debate at around 3 o’clock. It is n...

Madeleine Moon | 616 cc184-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not delay everyone for long. Although the Committee found that the Government’s accounting...

James Gray | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

It was just outside the constituency of the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon) that Her Majesty’...

Lord Spellar | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman tell me in which year under a Labour Government expenditure fell below 2%...

James Gray | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

The trouble is that under Labour Governments we always have wars and things so we have to keep sp...

Lord Spellar | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

James Gray | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me—[Interruption.] If the right hon. Gentleman will forg...

Peter Bone | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is not giving way.

James Gray | 616 c185WH (Link to this contribution)

Before the right hon. Gentleman leaps in to enter into a party political discussion of the matter...

Lord Spellar | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

James Gray | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

I would really rather not. We have not got very long—[Interruption.]

Lord Spellar | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Bone. As we are having a debate on defence, it is perfectly proper for th...

Peter Bone | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is very experienced and knows full well that that was in no way a point ...

Lord Spellar | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman now give way?

James Gray | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

No, if the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me. We have a short debate and I have one or two thi...

James Gray | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

I have the strongest respect—[Laughter.] Allow me to finish the sentence. I have the strongest re...

Lord Spellar | 616 c186WH (Link to this contribution)

May I thank the hon. Gentleman, my friend from the Committee, for giving way? I point out that in...

James Gray | 616 cc186-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful and greatly reassured by the right hon. Gentleman’s commitment both to Trident...

Peter Bone | 616 c187WH (Link to this contribution)

I know this is a very important debate and I have six Back-Bench Members who want to catch my eye...

Patrick Grady | 616 cc187-9WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Bone. I will try to be as brief as possible because I also hope to catch the Chair’...

Jim Shannon | 616 cc189-192WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bone. I commend the Chair of the Defence Co...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 616 cc192-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak under your chairmanship, Mr Bone. It is always a challenge to follow my...

Mike Penning | 616 c194WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting, but as former Ministers in the room and the Chair of the Defence Co...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 616 c194WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. The end of my sentence was, “unless appropriate hedging is put in ...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 616 c194WH (Link to this contribution)

While I appreciate that it probably is, I do not think anyone could have anticipated the likely d...

Lord Spellar | 616 c194WH (Link to this contribution)

Is it not even more significant that, in giving this order directly to Boeing, the MOD did not se...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 616 c195WH (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with my right hon. Friend. With the P-8A and even the F-35, we get only 20% of th...

Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 616 c195WH (Link to this contribution)

And the Apache. There are significant concerns about British manufacturing capabilities within th...

Steven Paterson | 616 c195WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bone.

I was going to talk about the 2...

Bob Stewart | 616 c195WH (Link to this contribution)

May I ask whether the hon. Gentleman is in favour of continuing to produce Type 26 global combat ...

Steven Paterson | 616 c196WH (Link to this contribution)

I am in favour of fulfilling the promise made in 2013 to have 13 ships built on the Clyde. If the...

Phil Wilson | 616 cc196-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak under your chairmanship, Mr Bone.

This debate is about what sort ...

Douglas Chapman | 616 cc198-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bone. I thank the right hon. Member ...

Peter Bone | 616 c199WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank hon. Members for their participation. Because we have run over a little bit—I thought it ...

Brendan O'Hara | 616 cc199-201WH (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bone. I add my voice to those congra...

Bob Stewart | 616 c201WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman—he might even be a friend—for giving way. I repeat: a primary role of ...

Brendan O'Hara | 616 cc201-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s repetition and think that my hon. Friend the Member for Stirlin...

Fabian Hamilton | 616 cc202-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, as always, to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bone. We have had an extraordin...

Fabian Hamilton | 616 c204WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, that is the calculation that I have been given by my researchers.

As I said, we have ...

Mike Penning | 616 cc204-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Rosindell—I hope I get your name right; I g...

Brendan O'Hara | 616 c205WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept, though, that the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish Government, the SNP,...

Mike Penning | 616 c205WH (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the referendum in Scotland, when the Scottish people decided to stay part of the United K...

Mike Penning | 616 cc205-6WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I have given the hon. Gentleman an opportunity to intervene and he has had plenty of time.

Kirsten Oswald | 616 c206WH (Link to this contribution)

There is genuine support for the armed forces, but when working out what we have to spend, it is ...

Mike Penning | 616 c206WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. It is way beyond me to understand the accounts of the MOD. I freely admit tha...

Kirsten Oswald | 616 c206WH (Link to this contribution)

It’s way beyond anybody to clearly understand them.

Mike Penning | 616 cc206-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am in my seventh Department in six years and I have struggled to understand the accounts in mos...

Julian Lewis | 616 c208WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank everybody who has contributed to the debate. We have had an excellent turnout for a quiet...

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