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EU Referendum Rules

e-petition debate on Monday, 5 September 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Ian Blackford. The answering member was Robin Walker.
Motion that this House has considered e-petition 131215 relating to EU referendum rules. Motion lapsed. sitting adjourned without Question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
614 cc1-50WH 
Session
2016-17
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
E-petition 131215 relating to EU referendum rules
Thursday, 1 September 2016
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
James Gray | 614 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

Before commencing this afternoon’s important debate, called by the Petitions Committee of the Hou...

Ian Blackford | 614 cc1-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 131215 relating to EU referendum r...


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Stephen Doughty | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

James Gray | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before the hon. Gentleman intervenes, I said that I was going to do this to begin with, so...

Ian Blackford | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for your guidance, Mr Gray. If you will forgive me, I am trying to move on to discu...

Stephen Doughty | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I am mindful of your comments, Mr Gray, so I will try to put my intervention in the correct conte...

Ian Blackford | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that intervention. I will come on to the sovereignty of Parliament—and, in...

Lord Spellar | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Given the difficulties that the hon. Gentleman is outlining, the call for a second referendum is ...

Ian Blackford | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I understand the right hon. Gentleman’s point, but there is the issue of what people voted for. T...

Helen Hayes | 614 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

Yesterday, the Prime Minister confirmed that there is no commitment to give additional funds to t...

Ian Blackford | 614 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

It is fair to say that those on the Brexit side failed to put across exactly what Brexit means. T...

Caroline Lucas | 614 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

When we talk about a second referendum, it is important to be clear about whether we are talking ...

Ian Blackford | 614 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. The Electoral Reform Society talked about many of the good things in the refe...

Ian Blackford | 614 cc3-4WH (Link to this contribution)

Let me make some progress, then I will be happy to take more interventions.

The Scottish Go...

James Gray | 614 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am very sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman again, but I made it absolutely plain at t...

Ian Blackford | 614 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the guidance from the Chair, and I am seeking to follow it. I am building up an...

James Gray | 614 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman must keep to the point of the debate.

Ian Blackford | 614 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

The point, however, is that we have been asked about the rules for an EU referendum. My specific ...

James Gray | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I must now insist that the hon. Gentleman return to the topic of the debate in hand, namel...

Ian Blackford | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

With respect, Mr Gray, that is precisely what I am trying to do. I am putting this in the context...

Andrew Smith | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

On the sovereignty of the people of Scotland, did they not vote to remain in the United Kingdom? ...

Ian Blackford | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

We had a referendum in 2014, and 45% of those who voted in it voted for independence and 55% vote...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

As I understand the position, in the past two years the hon. Gentleman has taken part in two refe...

Ian Blackford | 614 c5WH (Link to this contribution)

I will try to stick to the terms of the debate today—I am arguing strongly that my primary intere...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 614 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

To confirm, for the sake of clarity, the hon. Gentleman wants to have a free and independent Scot...

Ian Blackford | 614 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

I have a lot of time for the hon. Gentleman, but this is about securing Scotland’s position withi...

James Gray | 614 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have told the hon. Gentleman on several occasions that the debate is not about any of th...

Ian Blackford | 614 cc6-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I am surprised by the remarks from the Chair. All that I was doing was respond...

Kerry McCarthy | 614 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that the referendum campaign was flawed in terms of the informati...

Ian Blackford | 614 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not talking about a rerun of the referendum campaign we have just had. I am arguing specific...

James Berry | 614 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that changing the rules of the game ex post facto if we do not like...

Ian Blackford | 614 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

There were flaws in the way that the referendum was conducted, but as a democrat and someone who ...

James Gray | 614 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman has been asked repeatedly to return his remarks to the simple issue of ...

Ian Blackford | 614 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to address myself to that topic. If you will bear with me, Mr Gray, I am just a few s...

James Gray | 614 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Nor will the hon. Gentleman enter into discussion with the Chair about what I am ruling. M...

Ian Blackford | 614 cc8-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the people of Scotland are listening to this debate and the conduct of it.

Cont...

James Gray | 614 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his remarks. He will now resume his seat. I c...

James Gray | 614 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

I understand that you are making a point of order. On a point of order, Mr Ian Blackford.

Ian Blackford | 614 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not making a point of order. I am making a speech that is legitimate in the context of the d...

James Gray | 614 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. As a Scot, I very much hope that the Scots are indeed listening to the debate. The hon. Ge...

John Penrose | 614 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

As Constitutional Reform Minister at the time, I had responsibility for the detailed election rul...

Peter Grant | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made an interesting start. Does he agree that if both sides of the campaig...

John Penrose | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

My point was that had we set up a super-majority as the petition suggests, we would have tilted t...

Stephen Doughty | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point about super-majorities, but they have been used in ...

John Penrose | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. The outcome, although definitive—there was an overall majority of well more t...

Tom Brake | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

David Lammy | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Penrose | 614 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

What a choice. I will happily give way to the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (To...

Tom Brake | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman. Does he think that the outcome of the referendum will ensure that peo...

John Penrose | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I will respond merely by saying that I hope that the period of banging on about Europe will be mu...

James Cartlidge | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I campaigned on the remain side, and I must say that I was disappointed with the negativity on bo...

John Penrose | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. Every time either the Lib Dems or the Labour party win a local council by-ele...

Tom Brake | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman would like to respond—perhaps this is not for this debate but...

John Penrose | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

I worry about such proposals, because they could create a vehicle for making vexatious claims dur...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c11WH (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely the assumption that many remainers had, at least at the beginning—that they wou...

John Penrose | 614 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

At a time when, with isolated but notable exceptions in both the Scottish independence referendum...

Patrick Grady | 614 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

Could not the remarks that the hon. Gentleman is making about the dreadful finality of the result...

John Penrose | 614 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite sure what the hon. Gentleman’s point is. What I am arguing is that we have a clear...

David Lammy | 614 cc12-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Several right hon. and hon. Members of the House have long believed, as we have heard—or not as w...

James Cleverly | 614 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

David Lammy | 614 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but I am conscious that there are many others who must get into the debate.

James Cleverly | 614 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the right hon. Gentleman’s generosity. With regard to a second referendum on specifi...

David Lammy | 614 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman does not seem to see this as I do. I believe that the country is already in th...

Chuka Umunna | 614 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to add two points, and to ask my right hon. Friend whether he agrees with them. One is tha...

David Lammy | 614 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. That is the case, which is why it was breathtaking to hear that Britain ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

David Lammy | 614 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way, because I think I should make progress.

I have described the sc...

Tom Brake | 614 c14WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

David Lammy | 614 cc14-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I have said that I should make some progress. Others have got to get in to make important contrib...

James Gray | 614 c15WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Having been firm with our colleague from the Scottish National party, I should also be fir...

David Lammy | 614 cc15-6WH (Link to this contribution)

You are absolutely right, Mr Gray. I was simply making the case that those EU subsidies will no l...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

David Lammy | 614 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way. There was no two-thirds threshold as is required in other nations to validat...

William Wragg | 614 cc16-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray. I assume the applause upon my standin...

William Wragg | 614 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, it is five. My hon. Friend is more learned on the matter. People seem to have got stuck s...

James Gray | 614 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for being so brief. Perhaps other colleagues will follow...

Tom Brake | 614 cc17-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I start by picking up on a couple of points made by the right hon. Member for Tottenham (Mr Lammy...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c18WH (Link to this contribution)

For the sake of fairness, I think we should say that there were outrageous claims from both sides...

Tom Brake | 614 cc18-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I say to the hon. Gentleman that we are only two months away from the referendum having taken pla...

Lord Lilley | 614 cc19-20WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to you, Mr Gray, and to the Chamber for not being here at the beginning of the debate...

Chuka Umunna | 614 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

May I assure the right hon. Gentleman, to whom I am grateful for giving way, that an untold numbe...

Lord Lilley | 614 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

In that case, let me say two things. First, the hon. Gentleman and the remain side were singularl...

Peter Grant | 614 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Lord Lilley | 614 cc20-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I will continue, if I may.

If it was a lie for the leave side to refer to our gross contrib...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 614 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

Does not the suggestion of a punishment Budget prove that the former Chancellor was a bluffer? He...

James Gray | 614 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

On the subject of a second referendum, Mr Peter Lilley.

Lord Lilley | 614 cc21-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The Scottish nationalists want to refer to the previous referendum, which they lost, but I will n...

Chuka Umunna | 614 cc22-3WH (Link to this contribution)

This debate is nominally about the threshold that we should have applied to the EU referendum, th...

Stephen Doughty | 614 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an interesting point, but does he agree that—as I have seen in correspon...

Chuka Umunna | 614 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with that. I will move on from thresholds, but the danger is that they may be s...

Matt Warman | 614 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, in my constituency of Boston and Skegness, the turnout was 77% and t...

Chuka Umunna | 614 cc23-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I was going to mention his constituency, where he kindly hosted ...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 614 c24WH (Link to this contribution)

I have just a quick question on the point that the hon. Gentleman made with respect to a split in...

Chuka Umunna | 614 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

Oh, bearing in mind the clock, I was going to come on to that very point, but I just want to say ...

James Gray | 614 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the next speaker, I point out that if hon. Members restrict themselves to seven or ...

Caroline Lucas | 614 cc25-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to follow the hon. Member for Streatham (Mr Umunna) because he made some very powerful...

Lord Lilley | 614 c27WH (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady aware that the EU has free trade agreements with some 50 countries, only three o...

Caroline Lucas | 614 cc27-8WH (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there is a wealth of difference between free trade and bei...

James Cleverly | 614 cc28-9WH (Link to this contribution)

About a month before the referendum, when the result was widely expected to be successful for the...

Chuka Umunna | 614 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I had many debates during the referendum campaign, but, I am sorry, I do n...

David Amess | 614 c29WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before the hon. Member for Braintree (James Cleverly) resumes, may I say that the wind-ups...

James Cleverly | 614 cc29-30WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Streatham has pre-empted my next paragraph, so I thank him for that. He may r...

Peter Grant | 614 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is painting quite a tempting scenario. Is it not the case, first of all, that ...

James Cleverly | 614 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

I take the hon. Gentleman’s point on board. Although I disagree with some of the fundamentals und...

James Cleverly | 614 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, then I will come to my concluding points.

Stephen Doughty | 614 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being very generous. Does he not accept that there is another fundamental p...

David Amess | 614 c30WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I absolutely agree that the hon. Member for Braintree is being very generous, but there ar...

James Cleverly | 614 c31WH (Link to this contribution)

I will wrap up the points made by the hon. Member for Cardiff South and Penarth (Stephen Doughty)...

Catherine McKinnell | 614 cc31-3WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my fellow member of the Petitions Committee, the hon. Member for Ross, Skye and Lo...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 614 c33WH (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to serve under your chairmanship, Sir David.

Almost two hours into the deba...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 614 c34WH (Link to this contribution)

I will, briefly. I am only going to give way this once and the hon. Lady is the lucky contender.<...

Eilidh Whiteford | 614 c34WH (Link to this contribution)

To continue the hon. Gentleman’s analogy, does he share my fear that we might be walking around i...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 614 c34WH (Link to this contribution)

I love it. The analogy is brilliant because for the past 40 years we have been walking in the wil...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 614 cc34-5WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way again. I have said clearly that it would be unfair on the other five peop...

Rupa Huq | 614 cc35-7WH (Link to this contribution)

Nearly 17,500 people in Ealing Central and Acton signed this petition and 72% of my constituents ...

Rupa Huq | 614 c37WH (Link to this contribution)

There is limited time left and I have waited ages, so I would rather not give way. I will talk to...

David Amess | 614 c38WH (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the four remaining colleagues took five minutes each, without interruption...

Graham Stringer | 614 cc38-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I will be as brief as I can, Sir David. I never thought of the referendum as a telephone contract...

Patrick Grady | 614 cc39-41WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir David. One reason why the petition had so ...

Thangam Debbonaire | 614 cc40-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I will try to cut out from my speech all the points that have already been made, to allow my coll...

Daniel Zeichner | 614 cc42-3WH (Link to this contribution)

This has been a curious debate, hasn’t it? It has been a bit like the referendum: there was an is...

David Amess | 614 c43WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind the three remaining speakers that they should leave 30 seconds for Mr Blackford t...

Peter Grant | 614 cc43-6WH (Link to this contribution)

This is an interesting debate to attempt to sum up. I clearly do not have time to address all the...

Barry Gardiner | 614 cc46-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is always a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir David.

For some, the re...

Robin Walker | 614 cc47-52WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Petitions Committee on arranging the debate and the hon. Member for Ross, Skye...

Ian Blackford | 614 c50WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank all those who signed the petition that got us to this position today and I also thank all...

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