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Childcare Bill [Lords] Bill

Debate on bills and Legislative Grand Committee proceedings (HC) on Monday, 25 January 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Morgan of Cotes. The answering member was Lucy Powell.
Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on consideration, third reading and legislative grand committee. Report stage. New clause 1, negatived on division (188 to 263). New clause 2, negatived on division (185 to 265). Sitting suspended for certification of the Bill. House resolved itself into the Legislative Grand Committee (England). Consent motions resolved. Occupant of the Chair left the Chair to report the decision of the Committee. Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, decision reported. Third reading agreed to on question. Bill passed with amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
605 cc49-82 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Childcare Bill 2015-16: Analysis for Commons Report Stage (Bill 107)
Wednesday, 20 January 2016
Research briefings
Childcare Bill (HL) 2015-16. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Thursday, 10 December 2015
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c50 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 605 cc50-1 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Attainment and devel...


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Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c51 (Link to this contribution)

I spent five years on the shadow Justice team and had to speak to many really quite dreadful Bill...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c52 (Link to this contribution)

It’s fantastic stuff, isn’t it? There is more:

“With a Conservative Government, you will ge...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c52 (Link to this contribution)

All parties at the last general election promised to increase the free entitlement. Labour promis...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c52 (Link to this contribution)

As I will explain, the problem is with who the Government are excluding. People earning more than...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c52 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady mentioned the hon. Member for North West Durham (Pat Glass), who, at the end of the...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c52 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I am glad that’s as simple as it gets. I said at the outset that I supported the Bill reaso...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c53 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says that universal credit will help improve the system. I venture to suggest that i...

Chloe Smith | 605 c53 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way, but I struggle somewhat to understand ho...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c53 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady looking at the wrong piece of paper? I shall go on to explain what is in new cla...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c53 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for being so generous in giving way. The Conservative party promised at the...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 cc54-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do wish it was my Bill that we were debating here. I really do, but it is not; it is the Minist...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c55 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady raises important questions around parents on zero-hours contracts and how they will...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c55 (Link to this contribution)

I am, of course, grateful to the Minister for his intervention, but I might just suggest that he ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c55 (Link to this contribution)

I will move on by giving way to my hon. Friend.

Alex Cunningham | 605 c55 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my constituency near-neighbour for giving way. I was pleased to serve on the Bil...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, and does so very well. We all like a keen and perky and eager ...

Lucy Powell | 605 c56 (Link to this contribution)

They are not intervening now, though, are they?

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c56 (Link to this contribution)

No, they are very quiet now.

Willing the ends without the means will cause more resentment ...

Mike Kane | 605 c56 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. As the equality gap widens in Tory Britain in 2016,...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

I dread to think what my kids would say to that.

New clause 2 is a modest request, given th...

Alex Cunningham | 605 c57 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Minister could win his place in education history by accepting...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. Not only would the Minister win his place in the history of ed...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c58 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to hold this important debate, and I once again welcome the hon...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c58 (Link to this contribution)

What the Minister says is correct—that is his intention—but does he accept that in new clause 1 o...

Sam Gyimah | 605 cc58-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right to ask the questions. However, I shall resist the new clause, and the main...

Flick Drummond | 605 c59 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend congratulate Portsmouth, where children do extremely well in their early year...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c59 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point. The quality of early years provision has improved signifi...

Alex Cunningham | 605 c59 (Link to this contribution)

Various groups have raised concerns about capacity and quality of provision and stressed the need...

Sam Gyimah | 605 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)

The Government will be spending £6 billion a year from 2019-20 on early years and childcare. The ...

Melanie Onn | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Many kinship carers of young children are pensioners, so they will not meet the work thresholds t...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Every three and four-year-old is entitled to 15 hours of free childcare. The question is who is e...

Alex Cunningham | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

But that is not the point. Kinship carers are some of the most pressed individuals in our society...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Under the current regime, kinship carers will get three hours of respite care a day for five days...

Melanie Onn | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for being so generous in giving way. I want to echo the sentiment expressed ...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Again, the hon. Lady has made a very good point. If the children of kinship carers need additiona...

Melanie Onn | 605 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not think that it would be more appropriate for very young children to be in se...

Sam Gyimah | 605 cc60-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is now asking a very different question. If a disadvantaged child has additional ed...

Pat Glass | 605 c61 (Link to this contribution)

When the Minister and I met after the Committee stage, we talked a great deal about how we would ...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c61 (Link to this contribution)

It was a pleasure to meet the hon. Lady in the Department, along with some of my officials, to di...

Chris Davies | 605 c61 (Link to this contribution)

Will people undertaking apprenticeships be eligible for the 30 hours, and what scope is there for...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c61 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. The eligibility criteria are based on whether a person i...

Simon Hoare | 605 c61 (Link to this contribution)

Although I endorse and support the main thrust of what my hon. Friend is saying, and indeed the G...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c62 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point about a concern felt by some parents. The first 15 hours is uni...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 605 c62 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making quite a bold assertion about the impact of this measure. He does not know ...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c62 (Link to this contribution)

The early years foundation stage profile data show that the gap is already being narrowed. Econom...

Chloe Smith | 605 c62 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the announcement of the funding increase, which is very important as a reassuring messa...

Sam Gyimah | 605 cc62-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. If central Government make the funding available but we ...

Jess Phillips | 605 cc64-5 (Link to this contribution)

Although I am not sure Mr Speaker saw me do so, I almost fell over when I tried to catch his eye ...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c65 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady raised this point in Committee and we debated it extensively. I promised to write t...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may finish my point. I am happy to look into how we can extend the grace period for thi...

Jess Phillips | 605 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted at the Minister’s—erm—willingness, when it had seemed that those on the Government...

Jess Phillips | 605 c66 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that is the word I will use. There is now a firm commitment from the Government.

I was...

Sam Gyimah | 605 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree with the hon. Lady that such children need consistency and support. To ext...

Jess Phillips | 605 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to say that, whereas other Departments have shown a clear commitment to taking their ...

John Bercow | 605 cc66-74 (Link to this contribution)

Consideration completed. I will now suspend the House for about five minutes in order to make a d...

John Bercow | 605 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I can now inform the House of my decision about certification. For the purposes of Standing Order...

John Bercow | 605 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for the requisite nod. [Interruption.] I am quite sure the Minister...

John Bercow | 605 c74 (Link to this contribution)

That was a useful lead in to another nod, which the Minister has graciously provided.

The H...

Lindsay Hoyle | 605 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the House that although all Members may speak in the debate, only Members representing c...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 605 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

The Bill clearly demonstrates the ...

Lady Hermon | 605 c75 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Secretary of State’s allowing me to intervene on her. I am curious. The consent ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 605 c75 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady very much indeed. I think that that is a matter for the authorities. I will...

Lady Hermon | 605 c75 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 605 c75 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way briefly but I want to make progress on the substance of the Bill.

Lady Hermon | 605 c75 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest respect, this is a matter of substance in this Bill. I emphasise that I do not ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 605 cc75-6 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that clauses 1 to 5 relate to England only. I am happy to write to the hon. L...

Graham Stuart | 605 c76 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that one of the greatest achievements of the last five years has ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 605 cc77-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, who is a former Chairman of the Education Committee, and he is absolutely...

Lucy Powell | 605 cc78-81 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Bill on Third Reading.

I welcome my hon. Friend the Member for Darlin...

Lady Hermon | 605 c81 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I might have misunderstood, but when last autumn we discu...

Lindsay Hoyle | 605 c82 (Link to this contribution)

The trouble is it depends on the Bills. Standing Orders dictate when the procedure is used. We co...

Edward Leigh | 605 c82 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Lindsay Hoyle | 605 c82 (Link to this contribution)

Sir Edward, are you sure it is a point of order? Last time you promised me it was, but it was not...

Edward Leigh | 605 c82 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady should not get too worried, because EVEL will not change a single part of a single ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 605 c82 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Sir Edward, for that non-point of order. I was absolutely correct: you are naughty.

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