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UK Steel Industry

Backbench debate on Thursday, 21 January 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Stephen Kinnock. The answering member was Anna Soubry.
Unallotted backbench debate. Motion lapsed and sitting adjourned without question put.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
604 c698WH 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Stephen Kinnock | 604 cc698-650WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the future of the UK steel industry.

It...

Paul Flynn | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

Can my hon. Friend begin to understand what got into the Government’s mind when they handed over ...


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Stephen Kinnock | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend’s long and illustrious history in the steel industry. He was a st...

Andy McDonald | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

While my hon. Friend is on the issue of procurement, will he say whether he is as dismayed as I a...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. What is interesting about the MOD angle is that we are t...

Lord Walney | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this important debate. Is he aware of the contrib...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c650WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. He will be aware that a debate is taking place in the La...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 c651WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing the debate. The estimated capital cost of Trident c...

Charles Walker | 604 c651WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am not allowing Members to get into a debate on Trident. Mr Kinnock, can you continue, p...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 cc651-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Walker. I defer to your better judgment, but I would be more than happy to continue...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an extremely strong speech. I congratulate him on securing this debate. ...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised. I believe that the Secretary of State had to look up Brussels on a map to work ou...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

I commend my hon. Friend on securing this debate and on the way he is outlining the practical thi...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely. I feel that our Government are not acting as they should because they are drive...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

It is worse than standing still. Over the past few years, the British Government have led a block...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c652WH (Link to this contribution)

An explanation would be very much in order. My hon. Friend makes a very interesting point about s...

Louise Haigh | 604 c653WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to reflect on the fact that Ministers are so terrified of the EU state aid rules, but seem...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c653WH (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that a very prominent and well-known producer of British steel has been infor...

Andy McDonald | 604 c653WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way yet again; he is being very generous. Does he shar...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c653WH (Link to this contribution)

I have heard the Minister and many of her colleagues assure us on the Floor of the House that a l...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 c654WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, to ensure that UK steel is in a position to gain such contracts i...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c654WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely. There are two elements to this crisis. One is the short-term perfect storm that...

Charles Walker | 604 c654WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Many Members are standing to catch my eye. If all Members limit themselves to 10 minutes, ...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 cc654-5WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Walker. It is a privilege to speak in this debate—yet another one on steel in this ...

Anna Turley | 604 c655WH (Link to this contribution)

I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock) on securing this im...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 c655WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. One of the pressures for the steel summit was the awful news ...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c655WH (Link to this contribution)

Beyond the five industrial asks, which my hon. Friend is going into, another issue is the timelin...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 cc655-6WH (Link to this contribution)

That timeline is pressing and the Government will be as alert to it as everyone else is in the Ch...

Andrew Percy | 604 cc656-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Walker. I was not planning to speak, for th...

Andrew Percy | 604 c658WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because I have only got a few minutes and other people want to speak.

Yesterday...

Andrew Percy | 604 c658WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman because he has not given a speech.

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c658WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. The Government’s policy is to support China’s market e...

Andrew Percy | 604 cc658-9WH (Link to this contribution)

As I think the Minister said in the statement on Monday, the Government have not determined what ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 cc659-660WH (Link to this contribution)

May I commend my hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock) and other hon. Members for...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c660WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend made an incredibly important point about environmental matters and carbon efficien...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c660WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed; my hon. Friend makes a wise point. I commend the Government for their high-level negotiat...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c660WH (Link to this contribution)

There is another interesting factor here because if we look at Tata’s profits right up until the ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c660WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I believe that if any Government Minister could batter down doors and argue for a fully e...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 cc660-1WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will shake her head and say, “No, of course we’re all lined up on this, ” but the Go...

Jessica Morden | 604 cc661-3WH (Link to this contribution)

May I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock) on securing the debat...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 cc662-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a huge pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Walker, and to follow some of the exce...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c665WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned the important issue of the power plant at Port Talbot, which has a g...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 cc665-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I fully agree with the hon. Gentleman. That was the point I was endeavouring to make. A one-off c...

Iain Wright | 604 cc666-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Walker, for what seems the umpteenth time. ...

Anna Turley | 604 c667WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some extremely important points about the role of the EU in this crisis....

Iain Wright | 604 c667WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has been a fantastic champion of the steel industry generally, and particularly in...

Anna Soubry | 604 c667WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Iain Wright | 604 c667WH (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will, because I was interviewed for the programme and I know the Minister was too.

Anna Soubry | 604 c667WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I was. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Italian steel plant was not a blast furnace? T...

Iain Wright | 604 cc667-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I will come to mothballing of blast furnaces, because that is another key finding by the BIS Comm...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c668WH (Link to this contribution)

What are my hon. Friend’s thoughts about the fact that there was a vote in the European Parliamen...

Iain Wright | 604 c668WH (Link to this contribution)

That is an absolute disgrace. We should all, regardless of where we sit and to which party we bel...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c668WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock) has said that if I was ever on “Mastermi...

Iain Wright | 604 cc668-9WH (Link to this contribution)

Despite the fact that my hon. Friend says that his specialist subject would be blast furnaces, he...

Anna Soubry | 604 c669WH (Link to this contribution)

It’s state aid rules. You know that.

Iain Wright | 604 c669WH (Link to this contribution)

If the Minister will allow me to continue, why can investment in plant and machinery not be exemp...

Iain Wright | 604 cc669-670WH (Link to this contribution)

No, talk to them in a strategic manner rather than force them.

When it comes to moving rese...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 c670WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his speech. He has come up with some very interesting ideas ...

Iain Wright | 604 c670WH (Link to this contribution)

One thing that strikes me about these issues is this. As I said, these are global forces. The pri...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 cc670-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not intend to take up too much time, because there are hon. Friends wishing to speak who hav...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c671WH (Link to this contribution)

On chronology, we hear very often from the Government that all the problems have existed for a lo...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 cc672-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Until 2008, which was a big year for the steel industry, profits were massive. Everything coming ...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 cc673-4WH (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. We need to send market signals to potential investors to demonstrate that we have indust...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c674WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Rosindell. I pay tribute to the previous Ch...

Christina Rees | 604 c674WH (Link to this contribution)

Approximately 1,000 of my constituents work either at Tata in Port Talbot or at Trostre, and they...

Stephen Doughty | 604 cc674-5WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend sets out clearly how the situation affects her constituents. The impact on not onl...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c675WH (Link to this contribution)

The promises, and the lack of delivery on those promises, specifically on market economy status f...

Stephen Doughty | 604 cc675-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree with my hon. Friend, who is absolutely right. Such promises have been the ...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c676WH (Link to this contribution)

To return to the point about MES, there is the issue of what our allies are doing and what China ...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c676WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree wholeheartedly. We have already heard about a letter from Roy Rickhuss, the general secre...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 c676WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising the point about currency devaluation. We have bee...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c676WH (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I would certainly be interested to hear the views of the Minister and experts within ...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c676WH (Link to this contribution)

To what extent does my hon. Friend think that the deal allowing Chinese currency to be exchanged ...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c677WH (Link to this contribution)

I would certainly be interested to hear the Minister’s response to that point. My hon. Friend rig...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c677WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend believe that maybe, just maybe, we need Treasury Ministers to attend these de...

Stephen Doughty | 604 cc677-8WH (Link to this contribution)

That is important, because a whole-Government approach is needed. We saw the disjunction between ...

Madeleine Moon | 604 cc678-9WH (Link to this contribution)

We have had an amazing debate. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock) f...

Stephen Doughty | 604 c679WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an incredibly important point about national security capability. Celsa in m...

Madeleine Moon | 604 c679WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend, who has done valuable work fighting for his constituents,...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c679WH (Link to this contribution)

We understand, of course, that the Chinese economy needs to grow, and China has every right to do...

Madeleine Moon | 604 c679WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has stolen my best line. That is exactly where I was going in my speech. The dumpi...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c680WH (Link to this contribution)

I referred in my speech to the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute, which looked at the sc...

Madeleine Moon | 604 c680WH (Link to this contribution)

What is inspiring today is the fact that we are all here doing that—fighting tooth and nail. I kn...

Anna Soubry | 604 c680WH (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Lady tell us why the Welsh Assembly cannot do it?

Madeleine Moon | 604 c681WH (Link to this contribution)

Because the legislation is primary legislation that will come out of the Westminster Government.<...

Marion Fellows | 604 cc681-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Rosindell, for calling me to speak, and I also thank Mr Walker, our previous Chair....

Marion Fellows | 604 c683WH (Link to this contribution)

No. I would like to continue at the moment.

As I was saying, we should not allow China to g...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c683WH (Link to this contribution)

As part of the future for Dalzell and Clydebridge, does she see the integrated nature of Scunthor...

Marion Fellows | 604 c683WH (Link to this contribution)

I think there is an issue about whether Dalzell and Clydebridge will be maintained by one of the ...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c683WH (Link to this contribution)

I made that point because the integrated nature of long products sustains each mill. In effect, w...

Marion Fellows | 604 cc683-4WH (Link to this contribution)

To answer the hon. Gentleman, I have doubts about and issues with what he says. I want production...

Andrew Rosindell | 604 c684WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Has the hon. Member for Motherwell and Wishaw finished?

Andrew Rosindell | 604 c684WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady did not give way. I call Kevin Barron.

3.43 pm

Kevin Brennan | 604 c684WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Mr Rosindell. It is not the first time I have been called Kevin Barron, even...

Kevin Brennan | 604 cc684-7WH (Link to this contribution)

We are very grateful, despite that slight slip on your part, Mr Rosindell—it was very uncharacter...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c685WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Neath (Christina Rees) first, who I forgot to me...

Christina Rees | 604 c685WH (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with my hon. Friend about life chances. My father worked at the site of the Steel...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c685WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I know that the Minister understands this, but it is importan...

Iain Wright | 604 c685WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an incredibly eloquent and moving point about how steel is in his blood,...

Kevin Brennan | 604 cc685-8WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. One of my central points is that the British steel industry i...

Madeleine Moon | 604 c688WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that if we do not successfully beat this back in relation to steel, oth...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c688WH (Link to this contribution)

I fear that my hon. Friend may well be right. It is clear that the Chinese state is absorbing the...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c688WH (Link to this contribution)

It is worth remembering that the Redcar blast furnace was constructed by the Callaghan Government...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c688WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I listened carefully to what the Prime Minister said about ma...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

We all like the Minister immensely, but although she sighs and huffs and puffs, anybody with two ...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will have heard the Foreign Secretary say last week that market economy status wil...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. We need to know what is going on regarding market economy status. Let us have some transp...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

Another important avenue to explore is exactly what deal the Prime Minister did with President Xi...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I am not sure whether the Minister was party to that deal, but it would be interesting to...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making important points, but will he help me out with something? In Novembe...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c689WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that anything the hon. Gentleman said is going to solve the dumping problem we are...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman does not like it up him, unfortunately, but he is going to get it if he tries ...

Anna Soubry | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

With all the time that you have left me?

Kevin Brennan | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has 25 minutes. Will she explain the Government’s position on the blocking minority ...

Anna Soubry | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I did not. Do not misrepresent me. I said four of the five.

Kevin Brennan | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

Oh, now it is four of the five. The Minister has said that four of the five asks have been comple...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says that, but we need to know when it is going to happen. The final two actions tha...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c690WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way. The hon. Gentleman and I can have a chat later, if he wants.

Will ...

Anna Soubry | 604 cc690-1WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Rosindell, as it was to have Mr Walker in t...

Anna Soubry | 604 c691WH (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

I want to put something on record. I do not know whether it is significant, bu...

Anna Soubry | 604 c691WH (Link to this contribution)

Just like the shadow Minister, apparently, although not if he wants a future in his party, if he ...

Anna Soubry | 604 c691WH (Link to this contribution)

I can do better than that, and I intend to.

My grandmother came from south Wales. We do not...

Jonathan Edwards | 604 c691WH (Link to this contribution)

Based on the Minister’s opening remarks and the disgraceful comments from the Labour Front-Bench ...

Anna Soubry | 604 cc691-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has put all that on record.

My hon. Friend the Member for Brigg and Gool...

Kevin Brennan | 604 c692WH (Link to this contribution)

That is a tribal remark in itself.

Anna Soubry | 604 c692WH (Link to this contribution)

Hang on. When Opposition Members, such as the hon. Member for Scunthorpe (Nic Dakin), have said t...

Anna Soubry | 604 c692WH (Link to this contribution)

No, because I want to make some progress and to address all the points that have been made.

Anna Soubry | 604 c693WH (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

Turning to Scunthorpe, as we have heard, Tata’s long products division has bee...

Anna Soubry | 604 c693WH (Link to this contribution)

So you have done that. Are you going to change your business rates?

Anna Soubry | 604 c693WH (Link to this contribution)

I put it on the record: “As far as I am aware,” the Scottish Government are going to change their...

Marion Fellows | 604 c694WH (Link to this contribution)

I am not a member of the Scottish Government, and I do not represent the Scottish Government, but...

Anna Soubry | 604 c694WH (Link to this contribution)

With great respect to the hon. Lady, one of the things that she will find here is that when a mem...

Tom Blenkinsop | 604 c694WH (Link to this contribution)

Forgemasters creates the vessels for the reactors within the four replacement submarines, and pla...

Anna Soubry | 604 c694WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the hon. Gentleman; I specifically asked my officials for an answer to that very i...

Nicholas Dakin | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister must realise that the industry was promised this by the coalition Government three y...

Anna Soubry | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, the forms have gone out and people are already bringing back their s...

Anna Soubry | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

Ask two on emission directives—delivered. Ask three is about dumping. I get pa...

Anna Soubry | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

In a moment.

On both those opportunities, we voted in favour of taking the measures that wi...

Anna Soubry | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but then I have to make some progress; otherwise, we will run out of time.

Stephen Doughty | 604 c695WH (Link to this contribution)

I will be very brief. The Minister blamed the Liberal Democrats—I blame the Lib Dems for a lot of...

Anna Soubry | 604 cc695-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give the hon. Gentleman an answer to that, but I can say that every Department needs gre...

Anna Soubry | 604 c696WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman cannot have a go until I have finished my sentence. He will have to bear with ...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c696WH (Link to this contribution)

We have very little time left. It is clear that the burning issue, which was raised by all hon. M...

Stephen Kinnock | 604 c696WH (Link to this contribution)

I assumed the Minister had finished on dumping and ignored the most important point.

Anna Soubry | 604 cc696-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry; the hon. Gentleman should read his brief better. There were—[Interruption.] No, no...

Anna Soubry | 604 c697WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman first and then to the hon. Member for Middlesbrough South a...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 604 c697WH (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the Minister whether those same concerns are why France and Germany have not yet come t...

Anna Soubry | 604 c697WH (Link to this contribution)

I have made it absolutely clear: the decision will be taken by the European Union. As I have said...

Andrew Percy | 604 c698WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm whether the Government or anyone else interested in the future of our i...

Anna Soubry | 604 c698WH (Link to this contribution)

To my knowledge, absolutely no.

I must say that all questions will be answered by letter, b...

Andrew Rosindell | 604 c698WH (Link to this contribution)

In normal circumstances, Mr Kinnock would be asked to wind up, but we have completely run out of ...

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