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House of Lords Reform

Backbench debate on Thursday, 14 January 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Martin Docherty-Hughes. The answering member was John Penrose.
Unalloted backbench debate (part two). Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
604 cc1064-1102 
Session
2015-16
Department
Cabinet Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
House of Lords Reform
Wednesday, 13 January 2016
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered House of Lords reform.

Not since 2011, ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1065 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman about abolition, which is a theme I wish to speak about later. Do...


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Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1065-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He need not worry, because I will get ...

Patrick Grady | 604 c1066 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate and apologise for being unable to stay for ...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1066-7 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. The way that operates within this Parliament is pernicious.

Sadly, ...

Bob Stewart | 604 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the hon. Gentleman, and his colleagues, whether he would like to have a member of the S...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for a good laugh, but the answer is no.

As per conventi...

Andrew Murrison | 604 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is delivering a great deal of passion in his speech; it is just a pity that hi...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

Democracy is never a low priority in the Scottish National party. That is why the people and comm...

Alison Thewliss | 604 c1067 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that there is little democracy in the fact that those who have been rej...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1067-8 (Link to this contribution)

I could not disagree with my hon. Friend on that very important matter.

The upper Chamber a...

Patrick Grady | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

It is not simply a matter of vanity. In 2005, as I am sure Members are aware, the Scottish Nation...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree with my hon. Friend. For as long as I am the Member for West Dunbartonshire and...

Wayne David | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on what has so far been a very colourful speech. He has been ve...

Liz Saville Roberts | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

We do not have a separate jurisdiction.

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

My very hon. Friend has given the answer from a sedentary position: Wales does not have a separat...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1068 (Link to this contribution)

May I inform the hon. Gentleman that there are some English people—I am English from generations ...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1068-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I do, of course, count Cornwall in the Celtic fringe.

...

Chris Law | 604 c1069 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to join the Chamber to hear my hon. Friend’s speech at such late notice. Does he a...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1069-1070 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his interjection. He raises an important point. I am grateful...

Natascha Engel | 604 c1070 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are nine Members who wish to catch my eye before 4.30 pm, which is when I want to br...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1070 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire (Martin John Docherty) on securing this de...

Andrew Murrison | 604 c1070 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is an extremely assiduous constituency MP and I suspect he spends most of his week...

Martin Vickers | 604 cc1070-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. I cannot recall anyone on the doorstep raising this particular issue, ev...

Peter Grant | 604 c1071 (Link to this contribution)

As a practising Christian, I must say that I am not comfortable with defining any nation as a Chr...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1071 (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly true that there are now fewer practising Christians throughout the UK than there ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1071 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman may have noticed that, in the last census, some 31% of the population said tha...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1071 (Link to this contribution)

Humanism has always seemed to me to be the absence of faith. We could debate the hon. Gentleman’s...

Patricia Gibson | 604 c1071 (Link to this contribution)

Although the Scottish Parliament has one Chamber, it has a very strong committee system. It is no...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

In essence, however, it is fair to say that Scotland is becoming almost a unicameral nation.

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Andrew Murrison | 604 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased that my hon. Friend has raised the issue of experts. If the public think about ...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1072 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree that, if we are to continue with an appointed or predominantly appointed House,...

Bob Stewart | 604 c1073 (Link to this contribution)

I seem to remember that under the proposed legislation that was introduced in the last Parliament...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1073 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. I was not happy with that part of the proposals.

I am an advocate of first past th...

Steven Paterson | 604 cc1073-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate, and I will start by reading an amendment that was moved...

Douglas Carswell | 604 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

A small clique in Downing Street gets to determine who sits in the Lords. Does the hon. Gentleman...

Steven Paterson | 604 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point, and I think that it is fundamentally unfair and that we ...

Andrew Murrison | 604 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

I am noting the hon. Gentleman’s comments on appointees, and such appointments are ultimately mad...

Steven Paterson | 604 c1074 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point, and we must move to democracy. That means that the he...

Bob Stewart | 604 c1075 (Link to this contribution)

I support the idea of UKIP having a Member of the House of Lords. It is rather sad that there is ...

Steven Paterson | 604 c1075 (Link to this contribution)

I will let the hon. Member for Clacton (Mr Carswell) speak for himself on that one. My own view i...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1075 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about expertise. It would be possible to have an advisory body of expert...

Steven Paterson | 604 cc1075-6 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. There are a number of things we could do and that...

Wayne David | 604 c1076 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes many trenchant criticisms of the other place, a number of which I agree ...

Steven Paterson | 604 c1076 (Link to this contribution)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but that does not mean you do not need a new clock.

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Liz Saville Roberts | 604 cc1076-7 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire (Martin John Docherty) on securing a debat...

Wayne David | 604 c1077 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Lady says about the Acts of Union in 1536 and 1542, but what on earth does t...

Liz Saville Roberts | 604 c1077 (Link to this contribution)

Most of the laws made here also affect Wales, and if we are to influence them, we must take part....

Bob Stewart | 604 c1077 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening intently and enjoying this debate a great deal, because I agree with so much of it...

Liz Saville Roberts | 604 cc1077-8 (Link to this contribution)

Were we to legislate for such a thing, we would need to consider that in detail, but we ought to ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 cc1078-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate, which I greatly welcome. I particularly enjoyed the spe...

Peter Grant | 604 c1079 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman recalls that, last time there was a major review of the ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 cc1079-1080 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to mention particular examples, because there are still hon. Members here who may o...

Gavin Newlands | 604 cc1080-1 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for West Dunbartonshire (Martin John Docherty) for sec...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 604 c1081 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that the hon. Gentleman is new to the House. I have been here for five years now and...

Gavin Newlands | 604 cc1081-3 (Link to this contribution)

This point was made earlier on. Although many other issues do come up and this is far from being ...

Patricia Gibson | 604 c1083 (Link to this contribution)

When I first wandered into the Chamber today, I thought I had come into the wrong debate, because...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1083 (Link to this contribution)

I agree very much with what the hon. Lady is saying. The hon. Member for Spelthorne (Kwasi Kwarte...

Patricia Gibson | 604 cc1083-4 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with what the hon. Gentleman has just said. When people talk to us on the door...

Steven Paterson | 604 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my disappointment that this Government, who made their one MP from Scot...

Patricia Gibson | 604 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I wholeheartedly agree with my hon. Friend. I wish to add my disappointment at the fact t...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that if God were a Scotsman, he still would not want a place in the Hou...

Patricia Gibson | 604 c1084 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We have in the Lords cronies, party donors, party-placed men and women—although there...

Alison Thewliss | 604 c1085 (Link to this contribution)

In his book “The Point of Departure”, the late Member of Parliament for Livingston recalled an in...

Patricia Gibson | 604 c1085 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said, we are becoming a laughing stock all over the world.

In addition—and this i...

Ronnie Cowan | 604 cc1085-7 (Link to this contribution)

When the first automobile engines were developed, they were dirty, unreliable and inefficient, bu...

Peter Grant | 604 c1087 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the Backbench Business Committee for making time for this debate and congratulate my ho...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 604 c1087 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman should know that as far as I am concerned, anything said by Robert Burn...

Peter Grant | 604 cc1087-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful indeed, Madam Deputy Speaker, not least because I intend to quote the bard lat...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1088 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what the hon. Gentleman has said. In my speech I mentioned Sweden, which has abolish...

Peter Grant | 604 cc1088-1090 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. Imagine that this Parliament had historically consisted o...

Kirsty Blackman | 604 cc1090-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to speak on behalf of the SNP in this Backbench Business debate on the House of Lo...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1093 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a powerful speech. As she knows from mine, I share her ambition to do awa...

Kirsty Blackman | 604 c1093 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point, which I am sure will be discussed at length during...

Peter Grant | 604 c1093 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it would be beneficial to introduce some of the European Parliamen...

Kirsty Blackman | 604 c1094 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted if the House of Commons had the ability to sack the entire House of Lords. I...

Martin Vickers | 604 c1094 (Link to this contribution)

I just remind the hon. Lady and her colleagues that this Chamber has the power to sack the Govern...

Kirsty Blackman | 604 c1094 (Link to this contribution)

I am coming to the end of my speech, so I will now wrap up. The power of the House of Lords is dr...

Wayne David | 604 cc1094-5 (Link to this contribution)

I genuinely congratulate the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire (Martin John Docherty) on openin...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1095 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly we have a difference of view on this. My hon. Friend says that there has not been enough ...

Wayne David | 604 cc1095-6 (Link to this contribution)

I respect my hon. Friend’s view. That is one of the discussions that we need to have in this Cham...

John Penrose | 604 c1096 (Link to this contribution)

I add my congratulations to the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire (Martin John Docherty) on sec...

John Penrose | 604 cc1096-7 (Link to this contribution)

Many of them are in the House of Lords. They are reduced to a small number of MPs, and none of th...

Kelvin Hopkins | 604 c1097 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talks about making the House of Lords more democratic, which is second-best to aboli...

John Penrose | 604 cc1097-8 (Link to this contribution)

If I can ask the hon. Gentleman to hold his horses, I hope to come back to that later. I am sure ...

Peter Grant | 604 c1098 (Link to this contribution)

Just to clarify that point, the view of the SNP and the Scottish Government was that, had we won ...

John Penrose | 604 cc1098-9 (Link to this contribution)

That is very helpful in clarifying the SNP’s view and it leads me to talk about opportunities for...

Wayne David | 604 c1099 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Minister. Do we not need to learn the lesson that, if any good fundamental refor...

John Penrose | 604 c1099 (Link to this contribution)

I would broaden out that point. It is hugely helpful, although not essential, for any constitutio...

Alison Thewliss | 604 c1099 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister agree that part of the difficulty in arriving at a consensus is the many vested...

John Penrose | 604 cc1099-1100 (Link to this contribution)

That is one of the principles that underlie the support of the many people who are in favour of a...

Kirsty Blackman | 604 c1100 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister is not saying that because it is so difficult, we should not do it. As the ho...

John Penrose | 604 cc1100-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady made a series of powerful points, many of which I agreed with, but on that particul...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 cc1101-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for participating in the debate, and I thank the hon. Member for Caerphilly ...

John Penrose | 604 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman clarify his point about former MPs? Would he draw any distinction between...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 604 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

No.

Members of the House of Lords should be automatically forced to retire by the age of 80...

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