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Green Investment Bank

Debate on Thursday, 29 October 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Graham Stuart. The answering member was George Freeman.
Motion, That this House has considered the future of the Green Investment Bank. Sitting adjourned without Question put (Standing Order No. 10(14)).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
601 c243WH 
Session
2015-16
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Backbench Business Debate: Green Investment Bank
Wednesday, 28 October 2015
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Graham Stuart | 601 cc243-198WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the future of the Green Investment Bank.

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Caroline Lucas | 601 c198WH (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman for his role in securing this important debate. Does he agree...


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Graham Stuart | 601 cc198-200WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that point. In so far as it was necessary to have a publicly c...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c200WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a thoughtful presentation on this issue, and he has come to one of t...

Graham Stuart | 601 c200WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, who has served in Government, will know that even within Government it is not...

John McNally | 601 c200WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the assurances that the Scottish Government sought from the To...

Graham Stuart | 601 c201WH (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that point on the continuing role of Government in a minute or two. It is not enou...

David Mowat | 601 c201WH (Link to this contribution)

I am listening very carefully to my hon. Friend. Surely the principal factor protecting how the b...

Graham Stuart | 601 cc201-4WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is quite right. What happened—given the late tabling of amendments in the House of...

Iain Wright | 601 cc204-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I thank hon. Members who are prese...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c205WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on the compelling case that he is making. Does he agree that re...

Iain Wright | 601 c206WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady pre-empts the rest of my speech. I wanted to start with the glass half full, the po...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c206WH (Link to this contribution)

As I was explaining to my hon. Friend, I have been reading his 6,000-word speech in Committee on ...

Iain Wright | 601 c207WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend, although my concerns have changed since the Bill Committee three yea...

Graham Stuart | 601 c207WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Iain Wright | 601 c207WH (Link to this contribution)

I will mention one point, because it is central to my concerns, then I will certainly give way.

Graham Stuart | 601 c207WH (Link to this contribution)

The bank will not be able to borrow, because it is at too early a stage—it does not have the cash...

Iain Wright | 601 cc207-8WH (Link to this contribution)

I disagree, because of the bank’s financial track record so far. We are talking about a policy de...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c208WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what the hon. Gentleman is saying. Does he think we could learn from some of the Eur...

Iain Wright | 601 c208WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her remarks. I wonder whether she agrees that, in future, state-backed ...

David Crausby | 601 c209WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. If Members wish to speak, they will need to indicate that by standing. Philip Boswell is s...

Philip Boswell | 601 c209WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Crausby. I also thank the previous speakers for their contributions to the importan...

John McNally | 601 c209WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the House because earlier on I should have declared an interest in that a relative...

Philip Boswell | 601 cc210-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I agree that it is vital not to view the bank in the...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c211WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a strong case. Does he agree that there is a real irony that at the ...

Philip Boswell | 601 c211WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. If it’s not broke, why are we fixing it?

Moreover, priva...

George Kerevan | 601 cc211-2WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Crausby, for giving me the novel opportunity of winding up from the Front Bench. I ...

David Mowat | 601 c212WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes two very good points: that if it ain’t broke, we should not fix it, and ...

George Kerevan | 601 cc212-3WH (Link to this contribution)

Having spoken to the chief executive I totally concur. The bank wants the facility to borrow more...

Graham Stuart | 601 c213WH (Link to this contribution)

We may or may not hear from the Minister today about whether there has been an evolution in Gover...

George Kerevan | 601 c213WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman could not have made the case better. He has more chance of convincing the Chan...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c213WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that another way in which we are cutting off our nose to spite our ...

George Kerevan | 601 cc213-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I am hesitant to stray too far, as I am sure you would stop us having a general debate about capi...

John McNally | 601 c214WH (Link to this contribution)

In Scotland we are developing a clean and green image. We are working well with the Scottish Futu...

George Kerevan | 601 c214WH (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. The success of the Green Investment Bank has been in creating partnerships and a model of...

Lisa Cameron | 601 c214WH (Link to this contribution)

Given what my hon. Friend just said, does he share my concerns about the possible impact of this ...

George Kerevan | 601 cc214-5WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. Underlining the achievement of the climate change targets is a vast capital i...

Graham Stuart | 601 c215WH (Link to this contribution)

That was a rather brilliant exposition of the issue. What the honest broker role is and why it is...

George Kerevan | 601 cc215-6WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman adds immeasurably to my contribution. Trust is a limited commodity, but in a s...

Kevin Brennan | 601 cc216-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It has been an extremely high-quality debate and I will attempt, in my half of the one hour and 5...

Ruth Cadbury | 601 c218WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government’s proposals on the Green Investment Bank seem to go...

Kevin Brennan | 601 cc218-9WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree. I am tempted to quote Kermit the Frog, who said, “It’s not easy bein’ green.” It is...

Graham Stuart | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

It is touching to see the hon. Gentleman paying such tribute to this creation of a Conservative-l...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

I have known the hon. Gentleman for a long time. All I will say is that he has let himself down s...

David Mowat | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

Without wanting to take this too much further, I should say that I do not think it was Luxembourg...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

We were indeed, Mr Crausby. All I will say is this. The notion that, had the Conservatives carrie...

Graham Stuart | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

We have time. Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?

Kevin Brennan | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one last time on that point.

Graham Stuart | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is extremely generous. A little partisanship does not go amiss. It is importan...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c219WH (Link to this contribution)

Convention requires me to respond to the intervention from the hon. Member for Beverley and Holde...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that we are descending into partisanship, but as we are kind of there, I just point ou...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

That is right. We have all read the reports about the confusion of the international community ah...

David Mowat | 601 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

On that point, will the hon. Gentleman give way?

David Mowat | 601 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

It is indeed the fault of my hon. Friend; we can all agree on that at least.

We have the Cl...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c220WH (Link to this contribution)

If it was the fault of the hon. Member for Beverley and Holderness that we descended into partisa...

Clive Lewis | 601 cc220-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to touch on my hon. Friend’s point about good investment. What we need to look at is this....

Kevin Brennan | 601 c221WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will not be surprised to learn that I agree with that point. In relation to wave p...

Iain Wright | 601 c221WH (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything that my hon. Friend the Member for Norwich South (Clive Lewis) said. My h...

Kevin Brennan | 601 cc221-3WH (Link to this contribution)

I most certainly will. I am sure that my hon. Friend will lend me his copy so that I can do that ...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c223WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to tempt the hon. Gentleman out of his contentment. What advice were Ministers give...

John McNally | 601 c224WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman raises an issue that has been raised since SNP Members first arrived in the Ho...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c224WH (Link to this contribution)

That is a legitimate concern to raise. At a reception the other evening, I heard a BIS Minister d...

George Kerevan | 601 c224WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman may remember that the one form of energy the bank was specifically banned from...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c224WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right: that was the ruling in relation to state aid. For what it is worth, ...

Clive Lewis | 601 c224WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talked about sending the wrong signals. There is a growing global divestment movem...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c225WH (Link to this contribution)

Again, my hon. Friend makes an important and appropriate intervention—I can see why he has taken ...

George Freeman | 601 cc225-7WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Percy. We started the debate under Mr...

Caroline Lucas | 601 c226WH (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Minister because I have another meeting and so will not be able to hear his fu...

George Freeman | 601 c226WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not accept that. The hon. Lady’s party is committed to promoting green technologies and ...

Philip Boswell | 601 c226WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked about the Government promoting green energy; but there are wind and solar ene...

George Freeman | 601 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made his point eloquently. Not surprisingly, I do not agree, and I will ex...

George Kerevan | 601 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

Surely it was in the legislation, and in the way the bank was set up, that it could borrow. It is...

George Freeman | 601 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

It could indeed. The difference between us is that the level of borrowing needed in this country ...

George Kerevan | 601 c228WH (Link to this contribution)

I was merely correcting the Minister, who tried to give the impression that the bank cannot at th...

George Freeman | 601 cc228-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I respect that. The point I am making is that the Government have a strategic commitment to the B...

Graham Stuart | 601 c229WH (Link to this contribution)

Do the Government have any preference, then, as to the number of investors that might come to the...

George Freeman | 601 c229WH (Link to this contribution)

The overriding principle is that we want to ensure that the bank is put on a footing where it has...

Graham Stuart | 601 c229WH (Link to this contribution)

I know that it is difficult and, I imagine, sometimes commercially sensitive but I would like to ...

George Freeman | 601 cc229-230WH (Link to this contribution)

Our view is that we want to give the Green Investment Bank the best possible chance of having a s...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c230WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. That is all very well but the problem is that is al...

George Freeman | 601 cc230-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I am coming to that. I have been very generous in giving way. Perhaps I should crack on and then ...

Iain Wright | 601 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

This is a really important point. Given the Government’s determination to move the bank off the p...

George Freeman | 601 c231WH (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to remember the beginning of the hon. Gentleman’s question. Will I confirm that there...

John McNally | 601 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree with me—this is the firm view of me and the Scottish Government—that the ...

George Freeman | 601 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point about the devolution settlement. I will come to that....

Iain Wright | 601 c232WH (Link to this contribution)

That cannot be reconciled with the Government’s intention to get the Green Investment Bank off th...

George Freeman | 601 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I are in violent agreement. Let me make it clear that we will not put in l...

George Freeman | 601 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

Let me answer the question. We will not put a binding contract in regulation or legislation, but ...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

Some might observe that assurances were sought ahead of the Royal Mail privatisation and that tho...

George Freeman | 601 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

I think I have made it clear that I will not commit the Government to giving statutory and legisl...

George Freeman | 601 c233WH (Link to this contribution)

It will be up to the investors and the bank to determine where the green energy market goes in th...

George Freeman | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

I will take these two interventions, and perhaps I can then crack through the questions.

Kevin Brennan | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to ensure that this is on the record. I said “fracking” from a sedentary position, and I t...

George Freeman | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to take specific advice, but I will write to the hon. Gentleman on whether any constraints...

Graham Stuart | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

The Government announced that they will privatise the bank so that it can access capital, as the ...

George Freeman | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, and I know he has raised it with my right hon. Friend, the Sec...

George Freeman | 601 c234WH (Link to this contribution)

I want to crack through. Time is galloping on.

George Freeman | 601 cc234-6WH (Link to this contribution)

Well, the shadow Minister should see the list of questions I have been asked, not least by the sh...

Graham Stuart | 601 c236WH (Link to this contribution)

For the record, is the Minister saying that the bank’s change from its current status to privatis...

George Freeman | 601 cc236-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I would not want to go as far as to say that it will have no impact. What I am saying is that we ...

Graham Stuart | 601 c237WH (Link to this contribution)

On that point, as we all know, when a company goes to market, it depends on the conditions at the...

George Freeman | 601 c238WH (Link to this contribution)

I will happily give an undertaking that we do not intend to give anything away and allow it to be...

John McNally | 601 c238WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned that all parties would be involved in the discussions. As a Member of the ...

George Freeman | 601 c238WH (Link to this contribution)

To clarify, I was not suggesting that we have a round table on the subject; I was merely extendin...

Iain Wright | 601 c238WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked about agreements. What will be the legal status of the agreements with potent...

George Freeman | 601 cc238-9WH (Link to this contribution)

For any investor entering into a subscription agreement, the parties will be the current owners, ...

George Freeman | 601 cc239-240WH (Link to this contribution)

Proceeds will depend on how big a stake is sold, on the outcome of negotiations with investors ab...

Graham Stuart | 601 c240WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way again; he is being very generous with his time. My u...

George Freeman | 601 c240WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. A key part of the rationale for proceeding with this mov...

Kevin Brennan | 601 c240WH (Link to this contribution)

I am still not entirely clear what the Minister meant in his answer about the £1.8 billion, in pa...

George Freeman | 601 c240WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I will happily respond to the hon. Gentleman. There is a slight circularity to this process,...

John McNally | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister take one more intervention?

John McNally | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way again. At yesterday’s meeting of the Environmen...

George Freeman | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. Obviously, it is for the bank to make sure that it i...

John McNally | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the Minister—

George Freeman | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

I will happily give way again to the hon. Gentleman. [Laughter.]

John McNally | 601 c241WH (Link to this contribution)

That should probably be part of the Scotland Bill; we need more powers in Scotland on our way to ...

George Freeman | 601 cc241-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Gentleman says; I simply highlight the potential contradiction between his f...

Graham Stuart | 601 cc242-4WH (Link to this contribution)

It has been an excellent debate, with involvement from all parts of the House. The COP21 conferen...

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