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Local Government Finance

Debate on Tuesday, 10 February 2015, in the House of Commons, led by Kris Hopkins. The answering member was Hilary Benn.
Motions to approve. Agreed to on division (286 to 190).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
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Session
2014-15
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House of Commons chamber
Local Government Finance Report (England)
Tuesday, 3 February 2015
House of Commons papers
House of Lords
House of Commons
Referendums Relating to Council Tax Increases (Principles) (England) Report
Tuesday, 3 February 2015
House of Commons papers
House of Lords
House of Commons
Local government finance
Tuesday, 10 February 2015
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Primarolo | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the two motions on local government finance, which are to be debated together.

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Kris Hopkins | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That the Local Government Finance Report (England) 2015–16 (HC 1013), which ...


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Baroness Primarolo | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

With this we will consider the following:

That the Referendums Relating to Council Tax Incr...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

On 18 December, I presented to the House a draft of the local government finance report, which se...

Greg Knight | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

During the Minister’s remarks, will he tell the House what the Government are doing to assist rur...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I assure my right hon. Friend that I will consider rural provision in my speech. Since coming to ...

Graham Stuart | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says he wants a settlement that is fair to all communities. He has himself recognise...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend always makes a robust challenge to the figures we lay before the House, because he...

Clive Betts | 592 c666 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says that local government has to bear its fair share of the cuts. Does he accept th...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have those figures, but what I will say is that I recognise that local government has ha...

Louise Ellman | 592 c666 (Link to this contribution)

If the Minister listened carefully to representations and wanted to be fair, how can the outcome ...

Kris Hopkins | 592 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

We need to recognise—I have said this before—that the 10% most deprived authorities receive on av...

John Healey | 592 c667 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that spending power disguises the real pressure on many councils, and th...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c667 (Link to this contribution)

I hope, then, that the right hon. Gentleman has apologised to his constituents for the financial ...

John Redwood | 592 c667 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister comment on the balance in his settlement between the money that goes directly in...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c667 (Link to this contribution)

I hope my right hon. Friend will forgive me; I cannot give him the percentage change, but I can g...

Angela Watkinson | 592 c667 (Link to this contribution)

The low level of private rents in the London borough of Havering has given rise to a surge in dem...

Kris Hopkins | 592 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

The key thing about the choices that we have placed before local government is just that—local au...

Jim Cunningham | 592 c668 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Hornchurch and Upminster (Dame Angela Watkinson) mentioned demand for childre...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I am not moving away from the fact that there was a huge deficit in 2010, which this Government o...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I shall give way in a few moments.

We continue to recognise the challenges faced by rural c...

Andrew Love | 592 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister recognise the challenges faced by London, whose population is on the increase? ...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c668 (Link to this contribution)

What I recognise is that London is a great international city, which has thrived under this Admin...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Let me make a bit more progress.

The Government previously consulted on a range of options ...

Lord Garnier | 592 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is generous in giving way this afternoon. Harborough district council area covers ...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Members have asked for a clear direction of travel in relation to our incremental increases in ru...

Caroline Lucas | 592 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister acknowledge the warnings issued by the Local Government Association about the c...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that one of the reasons Brighton council is struggling is its poor leadership. Moreover...

Graham Stuart | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

Will the money be distributed in a way that is proportionate to the number of over-65s in local p...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

Although I live in a large metropolitan district, I also represent a significant rural area, and ...

Annette Brooke | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the extra funds that will help people to be moved from hospital into the community or t...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

The additional £37 million is specifically to address some of the winter pressures we face. We wa...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 592 c670 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister asserted that the settlement was both fair and sustainable, and I want to address th...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I have a lot of respect for the hon. Lady, but I am afraid that poor leadership in Birmingham and...

Robert Neill | 592 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the real way to achieve proper sustainability for local government...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend speaks very wisely and he knows from his own experience that local authorities app...

Andy Slaughter | 592 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt the Minister will want to congratulate Hammersmith and Fulham council, which is o...

Kris Hopkins | 592 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

This Government continue to ensure there is a substantial welfare net to look after the most vuln...

Andrew Love | 592 c672 (Link to this contribution)

My local authority, the London borough of Enfield, is the 64th most deprived in the country, but ...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c672 (Link to this contribution)

There are two things. First, there is not a cap; there is an opportunity for people to increase t...

Hilary Benn | 592 c672 (Link to this contribution)

That was an interesting speech. I pay tribute to the Minister for his generosity in giving way to...

Kris Hopkins | 592 c672 (Link to this contribution)

I would disagree, because neither the LGA nor the NAO includes the money for public health or the...

Hilary Benn | 592 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come to that point directly, but the Minister did not actually contest the NAO figure. Th...

Graham Stuart | 592 c673 (Link to this contribution)

If we are talking about making admissions, will the right hon. Gentleman now accept that his Gove...

Hilary Benn | 592 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I have to say to the hon. Gentleman that I resent that suggestion. I make no apology for the fact...

Hilary Benn | 592 cc673-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some more progress; the hon. Gentleman has had his answer. I accept the point ...

Robert Neill | 592 c674 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pity that the right hon. Gentleman quoted selectively, forgetting that I said that that w...

Hilary Benn | 592 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Once again, I do not accept the charge that this is about distributing funds to friends; it is ab...

Graham Stuart | 592 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Hilary Benn | 592 c674 (Link to this contribution)

No. The hon. Gentleman may not like the fact, but the truth is that Conservative-controlled autho...

Seema Malhotra | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the way the Government have approached local government fina...

Hilary Benn | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the difficult choices faced by local authorities up...

Tom Blenkinsop | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to give one example to show that this is all about the political nature of an authority ra...

Hilary Benn | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for putting the record straight, given the charge that has been l...

John Healey | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a powerful and principled point about the way that funding has mov...

Hilary Benn | 592 c675 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. That is why the attempt that the Ministe...

Oliver Heald | 592 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. He will appreciate that in a constituen...

Hilary Benn | 592 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I have no intention of depriving the hon. and learned Gentleman’s local authority of CIL income, ...

Jim Cunningham | 592 c676 (Link to this contribution)

A good illustration of what is happening in local government can be seen in Coventry, at Universi...

Hilary Benn | 592 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I agree and I shall come to that point, too, when I talk about the consequences of what has happe...

John Redwood | 592 c676 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Secretary of State is usually very fair-minded, so does he agree that the largest loca...

Hilary Benn | 592 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. If one looks back at the record of the previous Labour Government, one can see that that ...

Angela Watkinson | 592 c677 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the shadow Secretary of State is aware that the 12 inner London boroughs hold more...

Hilary Benn | 592 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

The size of the reserves held by authorities across the country—they have been criticised by Mini...

Oliver Heald | 592 c678 (Link to this contribution)

So what the right hon. Gentleman is saying is that we have to take the homes and he gets the bonu...

Hilary Benn | 592 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

There is section 106 and there is CIL in order to raise financing. There are also the changes tha...

Graham Stuart | 592 c679 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman said that he would bring in a new, fairer funding formula for local gove...

Hilary Benn | 592 c680 (Link to this contribution)

If we get the opportunity after a certain event on 7 May, I would be very happy to receive repres...

Sarah Newton | 592 c680 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Hilary Benn | 592 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I have been generous in giving way, but I am going to bring my remarks to a close because many ot...

Robert Neill | 592 cc680-1 (Link to this contribution)

In one respect, it is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn),...

Sarah Newton | 592 c681 (Link to this contribution)

I share my hon. Friend’s concern, because what I have just heard is a proposal to reverse what th...

Robert Neill | 592 c681 (Link to this contribution)

It is a little like the classic Henry Ford approach of telling people that they can have any colo...

John Redwood | 592 c681 (Link to this contribution)

Did my hon. Friend notice the continued insult to England? The Opposition say absolutely nothing ...

Baroness Primarolo | 592 c681 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The right hon. Gentleman has got his point on the record, but you will stick to local gove...

Robert Neill | 592 c681 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed I will, Madam Deputy Speaker. As we consider the future shape of the United Kingdom, I hop...

Mike Hancock | 592 c682 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, like me, has had a long career in local government. Over 40 years, I have hea...

Robert Neill | 592 c682 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly true of Labour Governments when they have come into office. I would gently add ...

Graham Stuart | 592 c682 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is rightly dissecting the speech given by the shadow Secretary of State, who faile...

Robert Neill | 592 c682 (Link to this contribution)

At the end of the day, it is implicit that a Labour Government would carry out a redistribution. ...

Oliver Heald | 592 c682 (Link to this contribution)

If we have to build all these homes in Hertfordshire without the new homes bonus, and if our CIL ...

Robert Neill | 592 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt that we would also see the imposition of regional planning through the right hon....

Clive Betts | 592 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Robert Neill | 592 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I will of course give way to the Chair of the Select Committee.

Clive Betts | 592 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman on the business rate—the direction of travel is right, and it is ...

Robert Neill | 592 cc683-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it is very clear that more new homes are being built. The right hon. Member for Leeds Centra...

Clive Betts | 592 c685 (Link to this contribution)

This Parliament will clearly go down as the Parliament of austerity, but let us go back to 2010 a...

Graham Stuart | 592 c685 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is the only senior commentator I have heard suggest that the economy stalled p...

Clive Betts | 592 cc685-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is interesting. If the hon. Gentleman is saying that the fundamental problem was a major dis...

Graham Stuart | 592 c686 (Link to this contribution)

We were protecting the health service. You can’t have it both ways.

Clive Betts | 592 c686 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman shouts, “We were protecting the health service,” but social care provided by l...

Graham Stuart | 592 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Clive Betts | 592 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little progress and come back to the hon. Gentleman.

There are major issues. ...

Gordon Marsden | 592 c687 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful and incisive point. Does he agree that this bears down partic...

Clive Betts | 592 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. As I say, Ministers can make an argument that those who have had the most grant might...

Graham Stuart | 592 c688 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about double counting. He accepted that the Government had protected the...

Clive Betts | 592 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

I think we should also deal with the myth that somehow the NHS has been protected. If we look at ...

John Pugh | 592 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts).

It would be...

Chris Williamson | 592 c690 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn), the shadow Secret...

Graham Stuart | 592 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Is it the hon. Gentleman’s understanding, as it is mine, that the Labour party has not pledged to...

Chris Williamson | 592 cc690-2 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend the Member for Leeds Centralwas absolutely clear about the funding. He said ...

Anne Marie Morris | 592 cc692-4 (Link to this contribution)

This Government have done a tremendous job in rectifying some of the wrongs the previous Administ...

Louise Ellman | 592 cc693-5 (Link to this contribution)

Whatever the Government’s protestations, it is absolutely clear that the settlement is grossly un...

Annette Brooke | 592 cc695-6 (Link to this contribution)

As a vice-president of the Local Government Association, I wish to start by discussing the LGA fi...

Graham Stuart | 592 c696 (Link to this contribution)

Can my right hon. Friend explain why her party believes that the local government settlement shou...

Annette Brooke | 592 cc696-8 (Link to this contribution)

I think I will stick to the issue under discussion this afternoon. I am very much speaking from a...

Jonathan Ashworth | 592 cc697-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to make a few remarks on behalf of the city of Leicester, which I am fortunate enough to r...

Graham Stuart | 592 c699 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman can tell us what the unemployment rate, including for young p...

Jonathan Ashworth | 592 c699 (Link to this contribution)

The unemployment rate increased quite significantly under this Government, and it has now begun t...

Chris Williamson | 592 c699 (Link to this contribution)

Would it not be true to point out also that many of my hon. Friend’s constituents are on zero-hou...

Jonathan Ashworth | 592 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

In his contribution a few moments ago, my hon. Friend spoke eloquently about the need for Britain...

Graham Stuart | 592 cc700-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to take part in this debate. We have heard a number of excellent speeches from b...

Graham Stuart | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

In a moment. This is not about Toxteth or areas of the most concentrated deprivation; it is about...

Chris Williamson | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about the income profile of rural residents being somewhat lower. Would ...

Graham Stuart | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s point, but that would mean a further bill for a left-wing organ...

Graham Stuart | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

I will happily give way to the hon. Gentleman. Perhaps he will be able to provide us with more ho...

Jonathan Ashworth | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman was very keen to intervene on virtually everybody else who has spoken, so I am...

Graham Stuart | 592 c702 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point. I had hoped that he would talk about t...

Justin Tomlinson | 592 c703 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. Labour has said that it would raid the new homes bo...

Graham Stuart | 592 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The hon. Member for Liverpool, Riverside (Mrs Ellman) said ho...

Gordon Marsden | 592 cc704-7 (Link to this contribution)

Some of us might well wish the hon. Member for Beverley and Holderness (Mr Stuart) would hold his...

Richard Burden | 592 cc707-8 (Link to this contribution)

From a seaside town, we move to an inland city that also has great needs that are not being met b...

Graham Stuart | 592 c708 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Richard Burden | 592 c709 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I will, but this will have to be the only time.

Graham Stuart | 592 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. Because the hon. Gentleman’s speech is so gloomy, I thought he might like to hear ...

Richard Burden | 592 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I said I would give way only once to the hon. Gentleman, but I will give way again. He has looked...

Graham Stuart | 592 c709 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be aware—[Interruption.] I will tell him. Between 2009 and 2010, the numb...

Richard Burden | 592 cc709-710 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has perhaps missed the fact that there was a worldwide recession at that time,...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 592 cc710-2 (Link to this contribution)

It a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Northfield (Richard Burde...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 592 c712 (Link to this contribution)

It is a long time ago, but I can still milk a cow—if the hon. Gentleman wants to take me up on th...

Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 592 c712 (Link to this contribution)

Name the time, name the place, I am there.

However, cities such as Birmingham, ethnically d...

Andy Slaughter | 592 cc712-6 (Link to this contribution)

What a difference a year makes. At the time of the previous debate on the local government financ...

Andy Sawford | 592 cc715-8 (Link to this contribution)

The debate has illustrated just how clueless the Government are about the impact of the cuts impo...

Graham Stuart | 592 c718 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andy Sawford | 592 cc718-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has virtually made two speeches, given his 20 interventions, so I am sure that...

Stephen Williams | 592 cc719-720 (Link to this contribution)

We have had 13 Back-Bench contributions to the debate.

Most ...

Clive Betts | 592 c720 (Link to this contribution)

Under the Government’s projections, in two years’ time, Sheffield, Liverpool, Manchester and Newc...

Stephen Williams | 592 cc720-1 (Link to this contribution)

That would indeed seem rather odd on the face of it, but we are talking about the settlement now,...

Graham Stuart | 592 c721 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comments about rural areas. Labour Members have not said ...

Stephen Williams | 592 cc721-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. Contrary to the predictions made by the shadow Chancellor, in particula...

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