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Criminal Justice and Courts Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 1 December 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Grayling and Andrew Selous.
Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. The Speaker announced that Lords amendments 5 to 34, 75, 123 and 124 engaged Commons financial privilege. Commons disagreement to Lords amendment 97, discussed with Lords amendments 98 to 106 and Government motions to disagree, Lords amendment 107, and amendments (a) to (e) in lieu. Agreed to on division (319 to 203). Lords amendments 97 to 106 accordingly disagreed to, with disagreement to Lords amendment 103 agreed to on division (315 to 203). Commons disagreement to Lords amendment 107. Agreed to on division (312 to 200). Lords amendment 107 accordingly disagreed to. Government amendments (a) to (e) proposed in lieu of Lords amendment 107. Agreed to on division (314 to 198). Commons disagreement with Lords amendment 74, discussed with Lords amendments 127 to 131. Agreed to on division (316 to 94). Lords amendment 74 accordingly disagreed to. Lords amendments 127 to 131 agreed to under Standing Order No. 83F. Lords amendment 1, discussed with Lords amendments 2 to 73, 75 to 96, 108 to 126 and 132 to 143. Agreed to on question. Lords amendments 1 to 73, 75 to 96, 108 to 126 and 132 to 143 agreed to, with Commons financial privilege waived in respect of Lords amendments 5 to 34, 75, 123 and 124. Title amended. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments. Agreed to on question. Reasons Committee reported its reasons to the House and these were agreed to on question. Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill and amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
589 cc69-125 
Session
2014-15
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Procedure
Programme motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Criminal Justice and Courts Bill 2013-14 to 2014-15. Lords amendments.
Tuesday, 11 November 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Deposited Paper DEP2014-1577
Thursday, 4 December 2014
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Points of Order
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
Proceeding contributions
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 589 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to the fact that financial privilege is involved in Lords amendments...

Lord Grayling | 589 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 97.


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John Bercow | 589 c70 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider Lords amendments 98 to 106 and Government motions to ...

Lord Grayling | 589 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Before I move on to the detail of the amendments, it might be helpful to remind the House why the...

Lee Scott | 589 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that although the judicial process must be robust and fair, it mu...

Lord Grayling | 589 cc70-1 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I am genuinely baffled as to why the Opposition are so set against many of these reforms ...

Robert Neill | 589 c71 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree with the important point made by Lord Horam that there is a diffe...

Lord Grayling | 589 c71 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. Judicial review has become a vehicle that is used as one of the tools to...

Anne Main | 589 c71 (Link to this contribution)

On safeguards, can my right hon. Friend give me an assurance that local authorities will not be a...

Lord Grayling | 589 c71 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. It is important to say that the Bill will not stop organisations being j...

Elfyn Llwyd | 589 c71 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Lord Chancellor view as a technicality the recent consultation on changes to legal aid i...

Lord Grayling | 589 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)

In that particular case, we fulfilled the orders of the court after the first judicial review hea...

Geoffrey Cox | 589 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my right hon. Friend accepts that some Government Members, and I include myself, have...

Lord Grayling | 589 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I hate to disabuse my hon. and learned Friend, but such cases happen all the time and very regula...

Julie Hilling | 589 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman says “all the time”. Will he give us a notion of how often that is—once ...

Lord Grayling | 589 c73 (Link to this contribution)

A Minister is confronted by the practical threat of the arrival of a judicial review case virtual...

Frank Dobson | 589 c73 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Lord Grayling | 589 cc73-4 (Link to this contribution)

Let me set out the other two areas covered by the reforms, and I will then give way to the right ...

Andy Slaughter | 589 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I would love the Secretary of State for once to use an example or any example that does not invol...

Lord Grayling | 589 c74 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that that is complete nonsense. The amendments that we are discussing do not involve ...

Frank Dobson | 589 c74 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman talks of technicalities, but the law is full of technicalities—that is a...

Lord Grayling | 589 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that that is simply not right. Very many judicial reviews are not about whether we ha...

Debbie Abrahams | 589 c75 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman confirm that he is therefore re-establishing judicial discretion?

Lord Grayling | 589 c75 (Link to this contribution)

As I just said, we have never taken away judicial discretion. We have left in place the clause on...

Andy Slaughter | 589 cc76-7 (Link to this contribution)

Although it is some two and a half years since I last spoke on a series of Lords defeats of Minis...

Frank Dobson | 589 c77 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned Lord Woolf. Will he remind the House which judicial position was held by...

Andy Slaughter | 589 cc77-8 (Link to this contribution)

We do indeed stand on the shoulders of giants in conducting this debate. The names that graced th...

Lord Grayling | 589 c78 (Link to this contribution)

Since the hon. Gentleman has indicated his intention to support all the Lords amendments, will he...

Andy Slaughter | 589 cc78-80 (Link to this contribution)

I will not speak for long because we have limited time, but I will come on to those matters in a ...

Lord Grayling | 589 c80 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is missing the point. Why should those who row in to back a judicial review th...

Baroness Primarolo | 589 c80 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I remind both Front-Bench speakers, one who has already spoken and the other who has b...

Andy Slaughter | 589 c80 (Link to this contribution)

I give up with the Secretary of State. We are talking about interveners, who are there to assist ...

Geoffrey Cox | 589 cc80-2 (Link to this contribution)

I regret the tone of the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr Slaughter), which fell beneath the stand...

Lord Grayling | 589 c82 (Link to this contribution)

The “exceptional circumstances” provisions would allow a judge to say, “This is a flagrant case a...

Geoffrey Cox | 589 c82 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the Secretary of State, but the Bill does not refer to “minor technicalities”; as the Bill...

Elfyn Llwyd | 589 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

Lords amendments 97 to 102 were carried in the other place to ensure that courts maintained their...

Robert Neill | 589 cc84-5 (Link to this contribution)

I commend to this House the words of the former Lord Chancellor, the noble Lord Mackay of Clashfe...

Andrew Selous | 589 c97 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the House disagrees with Lords amendment 74.

Lindsay Hoyle | 589 c97 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to take Lords amendments 127 to 131.

Andrew Selous | 589 c101 (Link to this contribution)

As it has been some months since we last debated the Government’s plans for secure colleges, let ...

Julian Huppert | 589 c101 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the aspiration to try to provide something that is educationally rather than penally...

Andrew Selous | 589 c101 (Link to this contribution)

The intention is not to introduce girls and children under 15 at the start. We have engaged throu...

Paul Flynn | 589 c101 (Link to this contribution)

The lack of any improvement over 40 years by any Government in reducing recidivism condemns us as...

Andrew Selous | 589 c102 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman has rightly pointed out, we have lamentably failed to reduce reoffending ov...

Kate Green | 589 c102 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Minister that we should put education at the heart of the rehabilitation agenda ...

Andrew Selous | 589 c102 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Lady may know, we are going to run a competition, which I will describe shortly, to f...

Elfyn Llwyd | 589 c102 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has more or less taken my speech away from me, because to a large extent my concerns...

Andrew Selous | 589 c102 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, how long children spend in these institutions is not up to us but up to the courts. Wh...

John Leech | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister envisage the girls and younger boys being educated completely separately from t...

Andrew Selous | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

What we have committed to is separate living accommodation. When I visited a secure training cent...

Yasmin Qureshi | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister may be aware that when the Bill was in Committee, we heard from a number of experts,...

Andrew Selous | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that I can reassure the hon. Lady on that point. I understand the concerns that she raises...

Andrew Selous | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I will just finish this point and then I will let the hon. Lady in, not least because her mother ...

Julie Hilling | 589 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I share the concerns of my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton South East (Yasmin Qureshi). Nobody ...

Andrew Selous | 589 cc103-4 (Link to this contribution)

As I think the hon. Lady knows, we will be running a competition, and we will be looking for inno...

Julian Huppert | 589 c104 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way a second time; he is being very generous. We all hope that ev...

Andrew Selous | 589 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether the contract would specifically relate to the number and type of young peop...

Dan Jarvis | 589 c105 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak against the Government’s motion to disagree with the other place, and in favour o...

Yasmin Qureshi | 589 c105 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one aspect of rehabilitation is being able to keep in contact with...

Dan Jarvis | 589 cc105-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. All the evidence explains that small units that are closer to...

Yasmin Qureshi | 589 c107 (Link to this contribution)

Effectively, the secure colleges are the old-style Borstals, and everybody knew that they did not...

Dan Jarvis | 589 cc107-8 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. One of the fundamental problems is that there is no credible evidence to support the prop...

Sarah Champion | 589 c108 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is aware that I am strongly against the creation of his secure college. Of all the w...

Julie Hilling | 589 cc108-110 (Link to this contribution)

The notion of a secure college is flawed. Nobody except Ministers thinks it is a good idea—no edu...

Andrew Selous | 589 c109 (Link to this contribution)

I thank hon. Members for their contributions. The Government are committed to improving outcomes ...

Andrew Selous | 589 c111 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 589 c115 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments 2 to 73, 75 to 96, 108 to 126 and 132...

Andrew Selous | 589 c115 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard today passionate arguments from all parts of the House on parts 2 and 4 of the Bill...

Julian Huppert | 589 c115 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister says, this is a very important issue, and I raised it when the Bill was here befo...

Andrew Selous | 589 cc115-7 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the part that the hon. Gentleman played in earlier debates on this issue. He is ...

Andy Slaughter | 589 cc116-9 (Link to this contribution)

Even by the Government’s standards, making 140 amendments in the other place, ranging from new of...

Maria Miller | 589 cc118-121 (Link to this contribution)

Lords amendments 70 to 72, 116, 118, 126 and 142 will make posting revenge porn a criminal offenc...

Julian Huppert | 589 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, would like to speak to amendment 70. I will not detain the House for too long, as some of...

Maria Miller | 589 c122 (Link to this contribution)

For clarification, I was clearly pointing out that once an image had been identified as illegal, ...

Julian Huppert | 589 cc122-3 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is absolutely right about there being scope for data-matching images, and the...

Andrew Selous | 589 cc123-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all Members who have contributed to this wide-ranging and considered debate; the number o...

Maria Miller | 589 c124 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend join me in urging the industry to take action and put in place a code of prac...

Andrew Selous | 589 cc124-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yet again, my right hon. Friend speaks very wisely. I agree with the challenge she has put to the...

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