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Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 16 July 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Vincent Cable. The answering member was Chuka Umunna.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in public bill committee, on consideration and third reading and on other proceedings. Agreed to on division (289 to 127). Money resolution. Agreed to on question. Ways and means resolution. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
584 cc905-985 
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill 2014-15
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Vincent Cable | 584 c906 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

The Small Business, Enterprise and ...

Jonathan Edwards | 584 c906 (Link to this contribution)

rose—


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Vincent Cable | 584 c906 (Link to this contribution)

I am coming on to that matter in detail. I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman will be happy t...

Barry Sheerman | 584 c906 (Link to this contribution)

There is so much in this Bill that many of us interested in small business welcome. However, ther...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc906-7 (Link to this contribution)

Many provisions that we will discuss are about enforcement, which in everyday language is what we...

Chris Williamson | 584 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Although it is welcome that those jobs have been created, will the Secretary of State accept that...

Lindsay Hoyle | 584 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We do not need Back Benchers to join in at this stage. We are all right; I am sure the Sec...

Vincent Cable | 584 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I believe that in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency unemployment has fallen by 46%, and h...

Jonathan Edwards | 584 c907 (Link to this contribution)

The measures in the Bill to prohibit exclusivity in zero-hours contracts are to be welcomed, but ...

Vincent Cable | 584 c908 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely not. That is merely one aspect of a positive feature of the UK and a reason why compan...

Chris Williamson | 584 c908 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has addressed one of the points that I was going to make about the penalti...

Vincent Cable | 584 c908 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman reflects on this matter, he will see that it is not about penalties. If the...

Richard Fuller | 584 c908 (Link to this contribution)

One of the most significant issues in employment is the massive amount of corporate welfare in th...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc908-9 (Link to this contribution)

Anything that raises wages takes people out of the tax credit net. There are, of course, other wa...

Catherine McKinnell | 584 c909 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the points that the Business Secretary is making, but is he aware just how vulnerabl...

Vincent Cable | 584 c909 (Link to this contribution)

The point of access for people who have such concerns is the pay and work rights helpline, which ...

Debbie Abrahams | 584 c909 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Business Secretary aware, though, that the number of employment tribunals has decreased by...

Vincent Cable | 584 c909 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am aware of a substantial fall in numbers. There are several reasons, which we are current...

Stephen Lloyd | 584 c910 (Link to this contribution)

I totally applaud clause 136, which will penalise people who do not pay what they are due when th...

Vincent Cable | 584 c910 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can correct a matter of fact. There is a penalty, and that is absolutely right: it is o...

Stephen Lloyd | 584 c910 (Link to this contribution)

My concern is that given how the provision is framed, it is possible that the recalcitrant employ...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc910-1 (Link to this contribution)

Any employer foolish enough to go down that route would find themselves subject to multiple penal...

David Rutley | 584 c911 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for expressing his views on this important subject. Does he agree ...

Vincent Cable | 584 c911 (Link to this contribution)

I recall the major role that the hon. Gentleman played in trying to obtain commitments in relatio...

Jonathan Djanogly | 584 c911 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State acknowledge that the vast majority of beneficial owners are absolutel...

Vincent Cable | 584 c912 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept any of those propositions. It will be possible to devise a register—we have devot...

Lord Stunell | 584 c912 (Link to this contribution)

Somewhat contrary to the previous intervention, I strongly welcome the proposition, which include...

Vincent Cable | 584 c912 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I give that assurance. We have thought hard about the balance that must be struck between th...

Catherine McKinnell | 584 c912 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for the work that has been done in this area, but one concern that...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc912-3 (Link to this contribution)

We will obviously consider the hon. Lady’s points, but it is worth bearing in mind that the vast ...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 584 c913 (Link to this contribution)

I have had a lot of involvement with companies that have suffered at the hands of such directors,...

Lindsay Hoyle | 584 c913 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Twenty-four Members want to speak, but the Front Benchers have already taken 30 minutes an...

Vincent Cable | 584 c913 (Link to this contribution)

I was trying to be helpful to Back Benchers by taking their points, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Lindsay Hoyle | 584 c913 (Link to this contribution)

I do not mind the Secretary of State taking interventions, but he will understand that, if Back B...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc913-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is a choice I would rather not have to make.

I entirely agree with my hon. Friend the ...

Vincent Cable | 584 c914 (Link to this contribution)

Bearing in mind Mr Deputy Speaker’s comments, I will take a limited number of interventions, alth...

Grahame Morris | 584 c914 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way and I will be brief. Although many of the ...

Vincent Cable | 584 c914 (Link to this contribution)

I will explain in a moment our proposal in relation to rents. The hon. Gentleman will know that a...

Richard Fuller | 584 c914 (Link to this contribution)

Why did my right hon. Friend not exempt small pub companies, given that the problem is with large...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc914-5 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman will now have realised, we envisage a two-tier code system. There will be a...

Chloe Smith | 584 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way in the short time he has available. He will know th...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc915-6 (Link to this contribution)

We started small business procurement in central Government from a very low base, which I guess r...

Robert Flello | 584 c916 (Link to this contribution)

When I met small businesses in Longton a couple of days ago, one point that they made was that wh...

Vincent Cable | 584 c916 (Link to this contribution)

We have looked at the idea of penalties. Certainly one country in Europe—Sweden—applies a penalty...

Lord Stunell | 584 c916 (Link to this contribution)

I very much applaud what the Government have done with funding for lending, but will my right hon...

Vincent Cable | 584 cc916-7 (Link to this contribution)

The issue is complex. Some banks are now undertaking substantial net lending—that is certainly tr...

Lindsay Hoyle | 584 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I warn Members that the time limit is now down to five minutes.

I now have to announce the ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 584 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I call the right hon. Chuka Umunna.

3.50 pm

Matt Hancock | 584 c918 (Link to this contribution)

Have you been to see the Queen?

Chuka Umunna | 584 c918 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have not been to see the Queen yet.

I will be as quick as I can, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Chuka Umunna | 584 cc918-922 (Link to this contribution)

For the record, the Business Secretary says that he has seven minders. I am sure that he will not...

Catherine McKinnell | 584 c923 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful argument. Further to the Secretary of State’s response to my ...

Chuka Umunna | 584 c923 (Link to this contribution)

That is an example of the effects of what this Government are doing, which I think is truly repre...

Susan Elan Jones | 584 c923 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend speaks of people earning as little as £1 an hour. I wonder whether he can recall t...

Chuka Umunna | 584 cc923-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution, which is a reminder of the huge difference our Gove...

Robert Flello | 584 c924 (Link to this contribution)

We should also bear in mind those people on zero-hours contracts, who do not get paid for travell...

Chuka Umunna | 584 c924 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention; I shall quickly be coming on to zero-hours contract...

Richard Fuller | 584 c924 (Link to this contribution)

Before the hon. Gentleman moves on from the living wage and in the context of the important issue...

Chuka Umunna | 584 cc924-5 (Link to this contribution)

I may have the figures wrong, but I think that at least 29 Labour-run local authorities have beco...

Stephen Mosley | 584 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chuka Umunna | 584 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way shortly.

The Government’s answer is simply not good enough. Do they really ...

Jonathan Edwards | 584 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I am heartened by some of what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but can he explain why, during recen...

Chuka Umunna | 584 c925 (Link to this contribution)

We, as a party, have made it very clear that we want to end the exploitative use of zero-hours co...

Stephen Mosley | 584 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chuka Umunna | 584 cc925-6 (Link to this contribution)

No. I must make a little progress, because otherwise the hon. Gentleman’s speaking time will be r...

Jonathan Djanogly | 584 cc926-8 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my interests as they appear in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and I shall...

Baroness Primarolo | 584 c928 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sorry but there is huge pressure on time and the time limit may have to go down. I ca...

Adrian Bailey | 584 cc928-9 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Secretary of State described his 50-minute speech as “Castro...

Greg Mulholland | 584 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman’s work and the fantastic work of the Select Committee on Busi...

Adrian Bailey | 584 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention and pay tribute to his contribution to the ongoin...

Stephen Mosley | 584 cc929-930 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who ran a small business before being elected to Parliament and who is a director of t...

Mark Tami | 584 c930 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that small businesses tell the hon. Gentleman, as they do me, that one of the biggest b...

Stephen Mosley | 584 cc930-1 (Link to this contribution)

I agree and a big section of my speech dealt with that, but as time is very limited I think I mig...

Bill Esterson | 584 cc931-2 (Link to this contribution)

Many people in my constituency do not see a recovery in the economy and they are yet to experienc...

Greg Mulholland | 584 cc932-3 (Link to this contribution)

In the limited time available to me, I shall, as chair of the all-party save the pub group, restr...

Toby Perkins | 584 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I add my congratulations to the hon. Gentleman on the work that he has done on this issue. Does h...

Greg Mulholland | 584 c933 (Link to this contribution)

The Fair Deal for your Local campaign clearly campaigned for a statutory code to include the all-...

Greg Mulholland | 584 c933 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the vice-chair of the all-party save the pub group.

Caroline Nokes | 584 c933 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that some of the pessimism that we have heard about the market rent onl...

Greg Mulholland | 584 cc933-4 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the market rent only option would not apply to family brewers. They would be excluded ...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 584 cc934-5 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the general intention of the Bill to support small businesses, but I worry that it does...

Catherine McKinnell | 584 c935 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech about the individuals who face those challenges. Is sh...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 584 cc935-6 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend’s fine intervention and compelling point. I have had similar instance...

Sheryll Murray | 584 c936 (Link to this contribution)

My constituency was built on small businesses and the ingenuity of those who run them, but I must...

Simon Danczuk | 584 cc936-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for South East Cornwall (Sheryll Murray), who made som...

Toby Perkins | 584 c937 (Link to this contribution)

On social mobility and the roles of schools and small businesses, I am sure my hon. Friend will b...

Simon Danczuk | 584 cc937-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend. I am pleased to hear that, because the link between education and busines...

Brian Binley | 584 c938 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly welcome the Bill. I have been an advocate in this place of small business since ...

Greg Mulholland | 584 c939 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend forgot to mention in his long list of titles his elevation earlier this year to pr...

Baroness Primarolo | 584 c939 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Sit down. We are really pressed for time and Members need to be disciplined. We did not ne...

Brian Binley | 584 c939 (Link to this contribution)

President Brian Bingley. [Laughter.] I apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker.

The Bill proposes a...

Mike Kane | 584 c939 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman join me in congratulating all those organisations and individuals in cons...

Brian Binley | 584 c939 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to help the hon. Gentleman with his press release. I of course congratulate the ge...

Brian Binley | 584 c940 (Link to this contribution)

I had better not, or Madam Deputy Speaker will have words with me privately later.

I conclu...

Catherine McKinnell | 584 cc940-1 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking in my capacity as co-founder and co-chair of the all-party group on anti-corruption, I w...

Baroness Primarolo | 584 c941 (Link to this contribution)

No you will not, because your time is up. You just missed it by a second, I am afraid.

5.19...

Rebecca Harris | 584 cc941-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise with some trepidation to speak on Second Reading, because it is such an enormous Bill and ...

William Bain | 584 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Small business needs a Bill that unlocks new finance to help businesses grow, gives new impetus t...

Stephen Metcalfe | 584 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that the skills shortage cannot possibly have happened in the ...

William Bain | 584 cc942-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point, but to answer it I advise the hon. Gentleman to listen to what busi...

Caroline Dinenage | 584 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to take part in this debate and I warmly welcome the Bill.

Like many...

Brian Binley | 584 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said that I founded two companies, which now employ 300 people. Labour Members hav...

Caroline Dinenage | 584 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the whole issue of adult literacy and numeracy will come before us on the Busin...

Neil Carmichael | 584 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I want to emphasise my support for the Government’s measures to ensure that outcomes from the edu...

Caroline Dinenage | 584 cc945-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. For too long under the last Government we saw a proliferation...

Chris Evans | 584 cc947-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is indeed a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Gosport (Caroline Dinenage). It is a great ...

Marcus Jones | 584 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Bill. I think it significant that we are debating a small business Bill, because I ...

Debbie Abrahams | 584 cc949-950 (Link to this contribution)

Small businesses are the powerhouse of the economy, contributing 46% of the UK’s annual income in...

Chris Evans | 584 c950 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening to what my hon. Friend has to say, because she speaks from a position of great kno...

Debbie Abrahams | 584 c950 (Link to this contribution)

I would say that the measures in the Bill are not enough. There is a power imbalance between the ...

Toby Perkins | 584 c950 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to place on the record my admiration for the work that my hon. Friend has done on late pay...

Mark Prisk | 584 c950 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Opposition Front-Bench team have intervened on fou...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 584 c951 (Link to this contribution)

It is, of course, in order, because the person who has the Floor can take an intervention wheneve...

Toby Perkins | 584 c951 (Link to this contribution)

I am willing to show discretion.

Debbie Abrahams | 584 c951 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for what he said. The Bill does not go far enough on addressing t...

Justin Tomlinson | 584 cc951-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to rise to support the Bill today. We are unashamedly pro-business. We have alre...

Stephen Metcalfe | 584 cc952-4 (Link to this contribution)

I shall try to keep my remarks as brief as I can.

My hon. Friend the Member for City of Che...

Mark Prisk | 584 cc954-5 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

I...

Andrew Griffiths | 584 cc955-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a delight to take part in the debate, albeit with a shortened contribution, and to follow m...

Grahame Morris | 584 cc956-7 (Link to this contribution)

I want to follow on from some of the issues that have been raised, not least by the hon. Member f...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 584 c958 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Since all Members have taken the full five minutes, and some longer because of interventio...

Chris White | 584 c958 (Link to this contribution)

Is that for speakers after me, Madam Deputy Speaker?

Chris White | 584 cc958-9 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

I am sure that hon. Members will be relieved to know that ...

Richard Fuller | 584 cc959-960 (Link to this contribution)

People who start or run their own small businesses are heroes. Every day, they take the risks, th...

David Rutley | 584 cc960-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Bedford (Richard Fuller), whose enthusias...

Robin Walker | 584 cc961-2 (Link to this contribution)

Like my hon. Friend the Member for Castle Point (Rebecca Harris), I hope that this debate sets a ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 584 c962 (Link to this contribution)

Today’s prize for patience goes to Anne Marie Morris.

6.34 pm

Anne Marie Morris | 584 cc962-3 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Government on the Bill, which is an excellent piece of work. Having been a cha...

Toby Perkins | 584 cc963-4 (Link to this contribution)

Some of my colleagues are at the memorial service for Paul Goggins and so are unable to be here, ...

Toby Perkins | 584 cc964-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is not the first to confuse the two.

We welcome the fact that this is the firs...

Matt Hancock | 584 cc966-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a huge privilege to respond to this debate on the Small Business, Enterprise and Employment...

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