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Energy Prices

Opposition day on Wednesday, 18 June 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Caroline Flint. The answering members were Ed Davey, Lord Barker of Battle and Tom Greatrex.
First opposition day debate (part two). Closure motion. Agreed to on question. Main question negatived on division (228 to 283).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
582 cc1185-1229 
Session
2014-15
Procedure
Closure motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Caroline Flint | 582 c1185 (Link to this contribution)

May I be one of the first to add my congratulations to the hon. Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) ...

David Wright | 582 c1185 (Link to this contribution)

Is not this just the kind of issue on which politicians can reconnect with the public? One fact t...


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Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 582 c1186 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is not making a speech. An intervention has to be short.

Caroline Flint | 582 c1186 (Link to this contribution)

This is a chance for us to come together and pass the motion so that we can tell the public that ...

John Glen | 582 c1186 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Lady recognise that a principal problem is that those on prepayment meters ar...

Caroline Flint | 582 c1186 (Link to this contribution)

No. We can simplify the tariffs, and we recognise and welcome that. We can look at the problems o...

Andrew Gwynne | 582 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Caroline Flint | 582 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one more time, then I want to make progress. I realise that we are short of time ...

Andrew Gwynne | 582 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. Was she as shocked as I was to see in the annual fuel pove...

Caroline Flint | 582 cc1187-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is regrettable and worrying that, as I understand it, the number of families in fuel poverty i...

Barry Sheerman | 582 c1189 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Barry Sheerman | 582 c1189 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is very kind. Is there not another dimension to this? In the country, includ...

Caroline Flint | 582 c1189 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. People were told that technology—doing things online, for example—would always make t...

Jake Berry | 582 c1189 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Caroline Flint | 582 cc1189-1190 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not.

Let me get back to the issue of competitive pressures. As I said, competiti...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 582 c1190 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the Secretary of State, let me say that it will be obvious to the House that...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1190-1 (Link to this contribution)

I join the right hon. Member for Don Valley (Caroline Flint) in congratulating the hon. Member fo...

Ian Swales | 582 c1191 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State share my surprise that the motion talks about the importance of passi...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1191-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has spotted a point to which I will return. There is a bit of inconsistency there....

Barry Sheerman | 582 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

I have a lot of respect for the right hon. Gentleman, as he knows, but he has spoken about histor...

Ed Davey | 582 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. This is the greenest Government ever. W...

Paul Uppal | 582 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

The concern is the inelasticity of prices, especially in their coming down. I am pleased that the...

Ed Davey | 582 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly believe that local energy generation is key in driving competition. I am proud that i...

Ed Davey | 582 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

I will let the hon. Gentleman intervene, but then I must make some progress.

Michael Connarty | 582 cc1192-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is very important that the Minister is not allowed to get away with an empty boast. The Energy...

Ed Davey | 582 c1193 (Link to this contribution)

Let me be fair to the hon. Gentleman—

Ed Davey | 582 c1193 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to do so. I said that our reforms are beginning to work. It is true—that is what I sai...

Paul Flynn | 582 c1193 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Ed Davey | 582 cc1193-4 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not; I am going to make some progress.

Pursuing the Opposition’s policies would ...

Paul Flynn | 582 c1194 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Ed Davey | 582 c1194 (Link to this contribution)

No.

I am not the first Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change to be confronted wi...

Ed Davey | 582 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the right hon. Lady, who will no doubt tell us why the Leader of the Labour pa...

Caroline Flint | 582 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

The proposition is that we should, across the House, recognise that when wholesale costs fall the...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1195-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said that I believe that there is a problem—Ofgem and the competition authorities ...

Ian Swales | 582 c1196 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State share my concern that the chief executive of First Utility, the large...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1196-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. All the new independent suppliers who are coming into the mar...

Geraint Davies | 582 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the key difference that we are now in a situation where, because of the flatlining of the ...

Ed Davey | 582 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention because it shows that Labour has not even looked at what is h...

Ed Davey | 582 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

Oh, some answers—I am looking forward to this.

Caroline Flint | 582 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that Ofgem—the regulator —wrote to all energy companies last week to say that they s...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1197-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have spoken to Ofgem’s chief executive, Dermot Nolan. He is worried because the Labour party wa...

Paul Flynn | 582 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Ed Davey | 582 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

Forward markets help reduce risk and therefore help reduce prices for consumers. They help compet...

Paul Flynn | 582 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I came to the Chamber expecting a debate about energy pri...

Lindsay Hoyle | 582 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order. You have made your point, Mr Flynn, but it is up to the Secretary o...

Ed Davey | 582 cc1198-9 (Link to this contribution)

The House can probably see why I made that choice—[Interruption.] Frit? That is a joke.

The...

John Robertson | 582 cc1199-1201 (Link to this contribution)

In a debate for which we have two and a quarter hours, the Secretary of State has spoken for half...

Ian Swales | 582 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Robertson | 582 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

I am not interested—I have only a few seconds left.

It is important that the Government rem...

Jake Berry | 582 cc1201-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Glasgow North West (John Robertson). I am sure our...

Mike Weir | 582 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

It does seem to me sometimes in these debates that it is the same old gang assembling to go over ...

Ed Davey | 582 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

My previous job was as competition Minister and we reformed the processes so it is quicker.

Mike Weir | 582 cc1203-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will wait and see how quick “quicker” is.

It is interesting to look at some of the reason...

Jake Berry | 582 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Mike Weir | 582 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

No, as many others wish to speak.

In many of the rural areas of our constituencies, the ban...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 582 cc1205-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Angus (Mr Weir).

I often ponder on what coul...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 582 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Notwithstanding all that the Government profess to have done to end fuel poverty, Northern Irelan...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 582 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

I shall say something about fuel poverty later in my speech, but I believe that a huge majority o...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 582 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

I will take just one more intervention, from my good friend the hon. Member for Linlithgow and Ea...

Lindsay Hoyle | 582 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Perhaps I can help here. Because of the interventions, I shall have to reduce the time lim...

Michael Connarty | 582 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Nevertheless, the point that I am about to make is very relevant. The hon. Gentleman has been a M...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 582 cc1206-8 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and across Europe those very same telecoms companies are now coming to Governments saying...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 582 c1208 (Link to this contribution)

There was no concern about a cost of living crisis then whatever: no concern for the poor—no conc...

Lindsay Hoyle | 582 c1208 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I now introduce a six-minute time limit.

5.49 pm

Gemma Doyle | 582 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Linlithgow and East Falkirk (Michael Connarty) for...

Christopher Pincher | 582 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire (Gemma Doyle) and to speak in ...

Nia Griffith | 582 cc1210-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen family fuel bills go up by £300 on average since 2010. Families are feeling this inc...

David Mowat | 582 cc1212-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Angus (Mr Weir) said that these debates are often attended by the same old ga...

Geraint Davies | 582 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

Hon. Members from across the House should congratulate the Leader of the Opposition on bringing t...

Paul Flynn | 582 cc1214-6 (Link to this contribution)

Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius. I know that I do not have to translate those words for yo...

Michael Connarty | 582 cc1215-7 (Link to this contribution)

The reality of what we have been discussing has been distorted slightly by the Secretary of State...

Andrew Gwynne | 582 cc1217-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be able to contribute to this debate. I commend the tenacity of my right hon. Fr...

Lord Barker of Battle | 582 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

May I just point out, for the record, that under this coalition fuel poverty has fallen in real t...

Andrew Gwynne | 582 cc1218-9 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister can change definitions, but he cannot change the fact that more people are living in...

Sammy Wilson | 582 cc1219-1220 (Link to this contribution)

Many people in Northern Ireland, who face the second highest fuel bills in Europe—behind only Ita...

Gregory Campbell | 582 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about the lack of competition in Northern Ireland. When wholesale prices com...

Sammy Wilson | 582 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

That is the whole point of this debate: should we have regulation to ensure that that is not allo...

Tom Greatrex | 582 cc1220-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have had another interesting debate on the energy market—an issue that is high on the agenda o...

Lord Barker of Battle | 582 cc1221-3 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a welcome opportunity to debate yet again one of the biggest

Caroline Flint | 582 c1223 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman agree with the statement made by his right hon. Friend the Prime Mi...

Lord Barker of Battle | 582 cc1224-5 (Link to this contribution)

I make it a policy always to agree with my Prime Minister. I can tell the right hon. Lady what we...

Alan Campbell | 582 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

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