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Deregulation Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 14 May 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Tom Brake and Oliver Heald.
Report stage first day. Government new clause 2 agreed to, with an amendment negatived on division (227 votes to 283). Government new clause 1 agreed to. Other amendments agreed to. Bill to be further considered tomorrow. Part 2 of 2.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
580 cc807-857 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Deregulation Bill 2013-14
Thursday, 23 January 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Deregulation Bill
Monday, 23 June 2014
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Oliver Heald | 580 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the good wishes to my hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (Rory Stewart) and...

John McDonnell | 580 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that a draft list was given to Members in Committee. I tried to obtain it in the Librar...


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Oliver Heald | 580 c808 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am sure that that would be possible. I am looking to the Box and to my Parliamentary Priva...

Toby Perkins | 580 c808 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister expand what the hoops are that self-employed people will no longer have to jump...

Oliver Heald | 580 cc808-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that in a moment. Let me just say, for the benefit of the hon. Member for Hayes...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak to new clause 2 and to support amendment 72, tabled by my hon. Friend the M...

Oliver Heald | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

The exclusion does not amount to a blanket exemption. It applies only in hazardous operational si...

Toby Perkins | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister may not have understood what I was talking about or I may not have understood what h...

Oliver Heald | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

The exemption applies to the emergency services and the armed forces, but it is not a blanket one...

Toby Perkins | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification. Will the Minister clarify the definition of “workplace”, as...

Toby Perkins | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman and then allow the Minister to respond.

James Duddridge | 580 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I am a little confused. If I read it correctly, new clause 2 relates purely to Northern Ireland a...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc811-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point. It is important, of course, to get clarity for Sikhs in Northern Ir...

Toby Perkins | 580 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Now we shall hear from someone who has far more responsible views on health and safety in general...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 c812 (Link to this contribution)

It is a matter of considerable pride to me that the TUC drove forward the Health and Safety at Wo...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc812-3 (Link to this contribution)

I share my hon. Friend’s tremendous pride in the Act, and he is right to observe that very signif...

Lord Cryer | 580 c813 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not also a danger that if legislation removes health and safety cover from self-employed...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc813-4 (Link to this contribution)

A substantial part of my speech will deal with precisely that point, because I think it represent...

Chris Williamson | 580 c814 (Link to this contribution)

Does this not demonstrate how out of touch the Conservative party and its Liberal Democrat poodle...

Toby Perkins | 580 c814 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important point. The exact nature of the alliance that was formed will have to be left...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 c814 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything that my hon. Friend is saying. May I suggest that if the Liberal Democrat...

Toby Perkins | 580 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The idea that the Liberal Democrats might be able to save themselves a bit of shame is a novel co...

Oliver Heald | 580 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, in his lurch to the left, seems to have forgotten that when his party was in ...

Toby Perkins | 580 c815 (Link to this contribution)

I am one-nation Labour, and one-nation Labour attempts to bring all these different strands of ou...

Chris Williamson | 580 c815 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it serves nobody’s interests to indulge in this race to the bottom...

Toby Perkins | 580 c815 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important contribution and he is right. The issue of bogus self-employmen...

Jim Cunningham | 580 c815 (Link to this contribution)

Surely one of the tests for the way this Government handle the economy will come very shortly whe...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is another important dimension. We are in danger of straying slightly from our amendment, bu...

Toby Perkins | 580 c816 (Link to this contribution)

I never cease to be delighted to hear from my hon. Friend, so I will give way to him again.

Chris Williamson | 580 c816 (Link to this contribution)

I am enjoying my hon. Friend’s speech immensely. I had the privilege of serving on the Committee ...

Toby Perkins | 580 cc817-8 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point, and it brings to mind a gentleman who was a team mate of mine at Sh...

James Duddridge | 580 c818 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman reflect on what he has just said and confirm that it is correct? Anybody ...

Toby Perkins | 580 c818 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman, who is making a disingenuous point. There might be certai...

James Duddridge | 580 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to speak in this debate, although I do feel we are going round in circles somew...

James Duddridge | 580 c819 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is shaking his head but I am saying that, although health and safety was right...

Chris Williamson | 580 c820 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman would have more credibility on the concerns he is articulating about the barri...

James Duddridge | 580 c820 (Link to this contribution)

It would be an additional benefit to look at these things sector by sector, as the Better Regulat...

John McDonnell | 580 cc820-2 (Link to this contribution)

May I first say that I welcome the new clause relating to the Sikh community? I chair the all-par...

Mike Thornton | 580 c821 (Link to this contribution)

I used to do an awful lot of work in financial services for people who worked on construction sit...

John McDonnell | 580 c821 (Link to this contribution)

No, it is not, but a lot of those workers who were directly employed have in recent years been fo...

Andy McDonald | 580 c821 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recall the words of Lord Denning many years ago when dealing with this very i...

John McDonnell | 580 cc821-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have been involved in some of the direct action campaigns on sites across London over the past ...

Toby Perkins | 580 c823 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an important contribution. He is right to say that there is a perception...

John McDonnell | 580 c823 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government are going to legislate on the basis of hearsay and almost prejudice, they wind ...

Oliver Heald | 580 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the logic of what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but he should appreciate that the ...

John McDonnell | 580 c824 (Link to this contribution)

That worries me even more. I make this not as a party political point, but as a practical governm...

Lord Cryer | 580 c824 (Link to this contribution)

What my hon. Friend says about risk is right. In Committee, we asked time and again for a definit...

John McDonnell | 580 c824 (Link to this contribution)

There are times when one legislates on the principle and then rolls out the practical implication...

Chris Williamson | 580 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 72 and I associate myself with the comments made by my ho...

John McDonnell | 580 c825 (Link to this contribution)

We have only one copy of the list—that is how we have been treated today—but we shall share it. I...

Chris Williamson | 580 c825 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is potentially an incredibly hazardous occupation, for the...

John McDonnell | 580 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Painters and decorators are not covered, but people on high wires in circuses are. This is gettin...

Chris Williamson | 580 cc826-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is the point, is it not? The beauty of the existing legislation is that it is very clear. Ev...

Lord Cryer | 580 c827 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friends the Members for Derby North (Chris Williamson) and for Luton North (Kelvin Hopkin...

Oliver Heald | 580 c827 (Link to this contribution)

I fully accept what the hon. Gentleman says about the lively debate on this subject, but only one...

Lord Cryer | 580 c827 (Link to this contribution)

If I am mistaken, I apologise. I remember seeing at least two versions, but perhaps I have got th...

Toby Perkins | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

It may well be that there was only one piece of paper, but in Committee it was as if there was an...

Lord Cryer | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I am a victim of my own fevered imagination when it comes to the list, but I thought I re...

Oliver Heald | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

It may be that what the hon. Gentleman is remembering is the different approach taken by the Join...

Lord Cryer | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

Okay, I am prepared to accept that.

Baroness Clark of Kilwinning | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

Is the maritime sector on the list? I have been advised that it is not. Was there any discussion ...

Lord Cryer | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point. I do not remember any specific discussion...

John McDonnell | 580 c828 (Link to this contribution)

There is a reason for the concern. It has been argued that there is not an awful lot of self-empl...

Lord Cryer | 580 cc828-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the list in front of me, but I accept what my hon. Friend says. One of the things t...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 c830 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell) and I both worked at the TUC,...

Lord Cryer | 580 c830 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot imagine two more moderate figures in the House than my two hon. Friends. The reality is ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 cc830-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this important debate. I had the pleasure of working at the TUC for ...

Baroness Clark of Kilwinning | 580 c831 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is highly concerning that the Health and Safety Executive has r...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 c831 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. One of my former colleagues at the TUC, Sir Bill Callaghan, who used to be the chair...

John McDonnell | 580 c831 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether my hon. Friend has seen the list. In the past, we have raised the risks on ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 580 c832 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure we could find many areas where health and safety risks are not being addressed, even un...

Baroness Clark of Kilwinning | 580 cc832-3 (Link to this contribution)

I refer to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, which indicates that the tra...

Oliver Heald | 580 cc833-4 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a lively debate, featuring contributions from my hon. Friend the Member for Rochford ...

Chris Williamson | 580 c834 (Link to this contribution)

The Solicitor-General says he wonders about the Labour party, but I wonder about him. Listen, if ...

Baroness Primarolo | 580 c834 (Link to this contribution)

Order. This is becoming a speech. It is supposed to be an intervention. We have heard the speech ...

Oliver Heald | 580 c834 (Link to this contribution)

On some of the early points that were made, this is a matter—

Chris Williamson | 580 c834 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Solicitor-General give way?

Oliver Heald | 580 cc834-5 (Link to this contribution)

Hang on. This is a matter of exempting people in safe occupations from the Health and Safety at W...

Chris Williamson | 580 c835 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Solicitor-General give way?

Oliver Heald | 580 c835 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to continue for a moment.

I was asked about support from organisations with ...

Oliver Heald | 580 c835 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a few seconds.

Another point was raised about confusion between the work...

Toby Perkins | 580 c835 (Link to this contribution)

The Solicitor-General is making a bizarre contribution, which is adding to the confusion rather t...

Oliver Heald | 580 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 has existed for a good period of time and done import...

Chris Williamson | 580 c836 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Solicitor-General give way?

Oliver Heald | 580 c836 (Link to this contribution)

I have one or two more points to make, and then I shall see if I can give way again. [Interruptio...

Chris Williamson | 580 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Gentleman says that the provisions are clear and that there is no confusion,...

Oliver Heald | 580 c836 (Link to this contribution)

There certainly is confusion on the Opposition Benches because Opposition Members simply do not u...

Tom Brake | 580 c841 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Primarolo | 580 c841 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment (a) to new clause 1, af...

Tom Brake | 580 cc841-7 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 1 provides for an information-sharing gateway between Her Majesty’s Revenue and Custom...

Chi Onwurah | 580 cc842-851 (Link to this contribution)

It is fitting that for the last debate in this Parliament we should be speaking of apprenticeship...

Oliver Colvile | 580 c851 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Last year, I attended the Chelsea flower show. I was given two t...

John Bercow | 580 c851 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for what he has said and the speed with which he ha...

Tom Brake | 580 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)

It was perhaps remiss of me not to say how much I have enjoyed resuming our jousts across the Cha...

Chi Onwurah | 580 c852 (Link to this contribution)

To be absolutely clear, the original Bill had a provision for the disclosure of information to th...

Tom Brake | 580 c852 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree. The hon. Lady will find that the provision is quite tightly defined, and that sho...

Chi Onwurah | 580 c852 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister’s words offer some reassurance on the systems to be put in place, but not

Tom Brake | 580 c853 (Link to this contribution)

I would love to be able to answer that question immediately, but, as the hon. Lady is aware, the ...

Tom Brake | 580 c853 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly I have not, so I will give way once more.

Chi Onwurah | 580 c853 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for being generous in this last debate. It concerns me that he implies that ...

Tom Brake | 580 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am not in a position to do that. Assuming that HMRC and the Department for Business, Innovation...

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