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Criminal Procedural Rights (Opt-in Decision)

Debate on Tuesday, 18 March 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Grayling. The answering member was Andy Slaughter.
Motion that this House takes note of European Union Documents No. 17621/13 and Addenda 1 to 3, a draft Directive on the strengthening of certain aspects of the presumption of innocence and of the right to be present at trial in criminal proceedings, No. 17633/13 and Addenda 1 to 3, a draft Directive on procedural safeguards for children suspected or accused in criminal proceedings, No. 17642/13, a Commission Recommendation on procedural safeguards for vulnerable persons suspected or accused in criminal proceedings, and No. 17635/13 and Addenda 1 to 3, a draft Directive on provisional legal aid for suspects or accused persons deprived of liberty and legal aid in European Arrest Warrant Proceedings; and agrees with the Government that the UK should not exercise the opt-in to these measures. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
577 cc724-746 
Session
2013-14
Department
Ministry of Justice
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
European Scrutiny Committee thirty-second report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 22 January 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Grayling | 577 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House takes note of European Union Documents No. 17621/13 and Adde...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 577 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on his absolutely right decision, but can he confirm that it ...


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Lord Grayling | 577 cc725-6 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to make reference to that. I can confirm that we have agreed that we will not partici...

Lord Beith | 577 c726 (Link to this contribution)

The process that my right hon. Friend has described raises another problem, and I wonder whether ...

Lord Grayling | 577 c726 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very valid point, and my right hon. Friend is right to raise it. As he knows, we have d...

William Cash | 577 c726 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my right hon. Friend’s concluding remarks to the Chair of the Select Committee ...

Lord Grayling | 577 c727 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend highlights an area about which I am concerned, and on which there are perhaps disa...

Geraint Davies | 577 c727 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that there is a case for minimum standards for the treatment of...

Lord Grayling | 577 c727 (Link to this contribution)

In some respects, the hon. Gentleman is right, and that is what we do in this country. The questi...

Douglas Carswell | 577 c727 (Link to this contribution)

I applaud my right hon. Friend’s wise and sensible decision, and I am particularly pleased to hea...

Lord Grayling | 577 cc727-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will do my best.

Let me touch briefly on the three measures. The first relates to the pre...

William Cash | 577 c728 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will recall that, on the question of the public prosecutor, the threshold wa...

Lord Grayling | 577 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I attended the Justice and Home Affairs Council at which this issue was discussed, and I have to ...

Lord Grayling | 577 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee.

Keith Vaz | 577 c729 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what the Lord Chancellor has said this evening. Does he know whether we have been ab...

Lord Grayling | 577 c729 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment, this is in the early stages. One reason that we agreed to participate in the negot...

James Clappison | 577 c729 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way and I am sorry that I missed the very beginn...

Lord Grayling | 577 c729 (Link to this contribution)

That is the point. We have 800 years of legal tradition in this country. It has evolved in a numb...

Geraint Davies | 577 c729 (Link to this contribution)

On that point and the point made by my right hon. Friend the Member for Leicester East (Keith Vaz...

Lord Grayling | 577 cc729-730 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I are on different sides of the House. When we disagree on different issue...

Geraint Davies | 577 c730 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman can confirm the estimated costs of that measure in terms of adde...

Lord Grayling | 577 cc730-1 (Link to this contribution)

I just said that it was not a large amount. It is a question of principle. Do we want decisions a...

Andy Slaughter | 577 cc731-2 (Link to this contribution)

I can be fairly brief in addressing these three draft directives. That is not to say that they ar...

Geraint Davies | 577 c732 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will be aware that we already practise the assumption of innocence unless proven g...

Andy Slaughter | 577 cc732-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. Where that is possible we should do it, and I will refer to a ...

James Clappison | 577 c733 (Link to this contribution)

The House will have been relieved to hear that the hon. Gentleman is persuaded by his own argumen...

Andy Slaughter | 577 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is the purpose of this speech, if the hon. Gentleman will bear with me. In relation to the d...

Lord Grayling | 577 c734 (Link to this contribution)

My main concern about these measures, as I have said, is the fact that opting in to them would me...

Andy Slaughter | 577 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept the argument that everything that comes out of Brussels is necessarily evil or in...

Geraint Davies | 577 c734 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the point on legal aid is that this is to protect British citizens who might be wrongly ac...

Andy Slaughter | 577 cc734-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point which is exactly the one I made in relation to access to a lawy...

Lord Beith | 577 c735 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr Slaughter) said, the handling of this set of proposals has...

William Cash | 577 c735 (Link to this contribution)

That process is exactly what we recommend in our report, which is currently awaiting the Governme...

Lord Beith | 577 cc735-6 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps unusually, my hon. Friend and I are indeed at one on this issue. As Chairman of the Liais...

Keith Vaz | 577 cc736-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief. It is a pleasure to follow the Chair of the Liaison and Justice Committees. I ag...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 577 cc737-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr Slaughter) quoted his speech in 2011, but it is his speech to...

Geraint Davies | 577 cc739-740 (Link to this contribution)

I am sympathetic to the directives. The case for minimum standards across Europe has partially be...

William Cash | 577 c740 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely glad to be able to commend the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 577 c740 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend struck by the fact that when the Conservative party is Eurosceptic, it is unite...

William Cash | 577 cc740-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am indeed. I must be careful in what I say, but I simply note that when the Lisbon treaty was g...

Lord Grayling | 577 c743 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all Members who have contributed to the debate. I am delighted to discover that there is ...

Lord Beith | 577 c743 (Link to this contribution)

That is true, but it is better still if, rather than our waiting until the Government have finall...

Lord Grayling | 577 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely accept that. We will try to ensure that we do what we can to supply the right informat...

Geraint Davies | 577 c744 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Justice Secretary confirm that the Government are still negotiating on the issues of chi...

Lord Grayling | 577 c744 (Link to this contribution)

We have told our European partners—and will do so again if the House approves the motion tonight—...

William Cash | 577 c744 (Link to this contribution)

To add to that point, the other member states by and large have written constitutions, while we o...

Lord Grayling | 577 c745 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and that is why I fundamentally disagree with the Commissione...

EC documents
17621/13;17633/13;17642/13;17635/13
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