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Care Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Monday, 10 March 2014, in the House of Commons.
Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on Report and Third reading. Ordered. Report stage first day. New clause 1, discussed with new clauses 2 to 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 17 to 24, 26, 31 and 32, debated and withdrawn. New clause 9 negatived on division (13 to 276). New clause 11 negatived on division (208 to 280). New clause 19 negatived on division (212 to 269). Amendments made. New clause 8, discussed with new clauses 10, 12, 27, 30, and 33, debated and withdrawn. New clause 27 negatived on division (217 to 265). Amendment to clause 90 negatived on division (220 to 282). New clause 34, discussed with new clause 25. Debate interrupted. Bill to be further considered tomorrow.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
577 cc46-145 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Care Bill (HL) 2013-14. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 4 February 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Care Bill [HL] Committee Stage Report
Wednesday, 5 March 2014
Research briefings
Proceeding contributions
Paul Burstow | 577 c48 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 577 cc48-54 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Review of the case f...


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Paul Burstow | 577 cc54-6 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the House will forgive my having a number of new clauses to explain in the time avail...

Meg Munn | 577 c56 (Link to this contribution)

I added my name to the right hon. Gentleman’s new clause. Does he agree that the Bill is putting ...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right, and with her own experience in social work practice, she will know why th...

John Redwood | 577 c57 (Link to this contribution)

Who drafted new clause 1 and which main outside organisations support it?

Paul Burstow | 577 c57 (Link to this contribution)

Organisations that have supported the new clause, which I have drafted, include people with a leg...

Baroness Keeley | 577 c57 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the right hon. Gentleman’s conversion to the identification of carers by NHS bodies, be...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is not a convert. She has been consistent and clear in her pursuit of this provisio...

Sarah Newton | 577 c58 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have supported my right hon. Friend’s new clause, because this is an essential point. Thi...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc58-60 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. This is not, as it can sometimes be portrayed, a case of “Let’s just ha...

Mike Thornton | 577 c60 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend mentions Laing and Buisson. I believe that it has come up with a formula tha...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc60-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That is the basis of the average fair rate, which I mentioned...

Grahame Morris | 577 c61 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for breaking the right hon. Gentleman’s flow. I agree with virtually everything that ...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc61-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He makes an important point. If one lo...

Liz Kendall | 577 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)

We are discussing a huge number of new clauses and amendments, and I will try to keep my comments...

Jonathan Edwards | 577 c63 (Link to this contribution)

The Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill is going through the Welsh Parliament. My party t...

Liz Kendall | 577 c63 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that my colleagues in the Welsh Assembly want to do everything they can to improve care...

Liz Kendall | 577 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am really sorry, but I want to make a bit more progress. I have a lot of new clauses to get thr...

John Redwood | 577 c64 (Link to this contribution)

I quite agree that we need a high quality work force who are well trained and supported, but if t...

Liz Kendall | 577 c64 (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman reads our new clause 18, he will see what our approach is. Local coun...

Alison McGovern | 577 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Given the point my hon. Friend has just made, does she agree that it is all the more important th...

Liz Kendall | 577 cc64-8 (Link to this contribution)

I know about the approach that has been taken in Wirral and think that it is an excellent example...

Liz Kendall | 577 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will let me finish this point.

For working-age disabled people, ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 577 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before the shadow Minister considers taking further interventions, she may not have realis...

Liz Kendall | 577 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have two more paragraphs. I agreed that I would speak for 25 m...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 577 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call anyone from the Back Benches, let me say that the shadow Minister has been m...

Tony Baldry | 577 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite sure who to be bad-tempered with. As the House knows, I am not characteristically ...

Hazel Blears | 577 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)

I shall do my best not to be grumpy and to be as quick as the right hon. Member for Banbury (Sir ...

Meg Munn | 577 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that even when people’s needs are substantial, they are often not...

Hazel Blears | 577 cc70-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, as ever, makes an extremely worthwhile and practical point. Simply having the wor...

Robert Buckland | 577 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)

My amendments 27 and 28 are on safeguarding. Clause 42 contains a raft of measures that will go s...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 cc72-3 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak briefly about new clauses 17 and 18 and amendments 31 to 33, which stand in my name...

Madeleine Moon | 577 c73 (Link to this contribution)

Because of the local government cuts, people are no longer thinking about that general duty of we...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 c73 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. The budgets of council adult social care departments are now so stretched that ...

Andrew George | 577 c73 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making an excellent point. In new clause 32, I propose that the Secretary of Sta...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 cc73-5 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for not having read the hon. Gentleman’s new clause. I have been focusing on my own n...

David Ward | 577 cc74-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to hit my five-minute target by excluding a lot of other comments, including on the el...

Baroness Keeley | 577 cc76-7 (Link to this contribution)

In introducing new clause 3, the right hon. Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul Burstow) said how h...

Sarah Wollaston | 577 cc77-8 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to speak briefly to new clauses 1, 26 and 9. I hope new clause 1 on the adult safegu...

David Burrowes | 577 c78 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have had experience of being in a police station, as a duty solicitor in my case, and the...

Sarah Wollaston | 577 cc78-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for those comments and I welcome the mental health crisis care concordat, ...

John McDonnell | 577 cc79-81 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to the amendments in my name. I share the view of the right hon. Member for Banbury ...

Sheila Gilmore | 577 cc81-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak to new clause 5, which is in my name. I thank the m...

Grahame Morris | 577 cc82-3 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the sentiments of other hon. Members about the lack of time we have been allocated. I appr...

Bill Esterson | 577 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

Social services are under huge funding pressure, which has a knock-on effect on the NHS. New clau...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc84-6 (Link to this contribution)

I share the frustration of many Members at the shortness of time that we have had to discuss such...

Paul Burstow | 577 c86 (Link to this contribution)

That is a helpful way forward, but I ask the Minister to say a little bit more about new clause 1...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc86-7 (Link to this contribution)

I have already confirmed that we will return to the matter later in the process, and I hope that ...

Norman Lamb | 577 c87 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that I owe it to hon. Members to respond to all the issues that have been raised.<...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc87-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I must ensure that I get through all the amendments.

On new clause 13, I am cle...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 577 c89 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The Minister must be heard. Hon. Members are being rude in speaking.

Norman Lamb | 577 c89 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker.

For some people, the care planning process may b...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc89-90 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have time, I am afraid.

We will set out in guidance best practice on conducting ca...

Paul Burstow | 577 c90 (Link to this contribution)

I give notice that I would like to press new clause 9 to a vote and beg leave to withdraw new cla...

Paul Burstow | 577 c102 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 577 cc102-4 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 10—Exercise of functio...

Paul Burstow | 577 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

This part of the Bill and this group of new clauses and amendments are all about ensuring that th...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c105 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is a matter of not only looking at how competently a loca...

Paul Burstow | 577 c105 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. That is why the duty on market shaping set out in the Bill is about stretching the lo...

Andrew George | 577 c106 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an excellent case. There is another reason why it is essential tha...

Paul Burstow | 577 c106 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point—

Paul Burstow | 577 cc106-7 (Link to this contribution)

I defer to you on that point, Mr Deputy Speaker.

New clause 8 would ensure first, that ther...

Jamie Reed | 577 cc107-110 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul Burstow) for getting this extensive grou...

Charlotte Leslie | 577 cc110-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to new clauses 28, 29, 30 and 33, which stand in my name and those of other hon. Me...

Nick Smith | 577 cc112-3 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 27 would establish an offence of corporate neglect. The problem needs to be tackled fo...

Tom Clarke | 577 c113 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened with great interest to my hon. Friend, as I did to the hon. Member for Bristol No...

Nick Smith | 577 c113 (Link to this contribution)

I assure my right hon. Friend that the new clause refers to all adults, so takes on board the peo...

Grahame Morris | 577 c113 (Link to this contribution)

In Committee, the Minister said that he supported the sentiment of the proposal. Does my hon. Fri...

Nick Smith | 577 c113 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has got to the nub of the issue. Managers and directors of organisations such as c...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 cc113-4 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak primarily to the new clauses moved by my right hon. Friend the Member for Richmon...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c114 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me—the right part of London, but the wrong constituency.

My right hon. Friend is on...

Paul Burstow | 577 c114 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a very important point, which he has pursued vigorously as Chair o...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c115 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the thought that my right hon. Friend identifies. I have been choosing my words with...

Grahame Morris | 577 c115 (Link to this contribution)

The idea that the right hon. Gentleman propagates, which he has long held—that fragmentation is a...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c115 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows that I do not entirely share his concern about who holds the share certi...

Tom Clarke | 577 c115 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman speaks with enormous authority on these matters. On the issue of communi...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 cc115-6 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not believe that simply empowering the Care Quality Commission to go into that space is ...

Norman Lamb | 577 c116 (Link to this contribution)

I reassure my right hon. Friend that I want to chart the course with him. I completely agree on t...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c116 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for his encouragement that I am on the right path.

There is a...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to amendment 19 and echo some of the excellent comments made by my hon. Friend the M...

Tom Clarke | 577 c117 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a convincing case. I have a background in local government. Does she agr...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

I agree completely, and I will echo my right hon. Friend’s comments later in my speech.

I h...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc118-9 (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by thanking all Members for their contributions to the debate.

Part 2 of the B...

Norman Lamb | 577 c119 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul Burstow) first.

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Paul Burstow | 577 c119 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for getting in just before the hon. Lady.

May I return to a point that I raised...

Norman Lamb | 577 c119 (Link to this contribution)

Subject to the fact that the CQC is an independent body, I will certainly reinforce that point in...

Emma Lewell-Buck | 577 c119 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I am being impatient—the Minister may deal with this point later in his speech—but I shou...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc119-120 (Link to this contribution)

I take very seriously the point that the hon. Lady has raised, but if she will allow me to contin...

Tom Clarke | 577 c120 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has outlined that he wants to work with the commission, local authorities and others...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc120-2 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with the right hon. Gentleman. The more that we talk to organisations with expert...

Paul Burstow | 577 c121 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned that a number of measures may be taken pre-failure in order to avoid the f...

Norman Lamb | 577 cc121-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to ensure that a note goes to my right hon. Friend and other Members, as he requests.<...

Paul Burstow | 577 c123 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s responses to my three new clauses. I look forward to hearing wha...

Dan Poulter | 577 c132 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 577 cc132-3 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment (a) to Government new c...

Dan Poulter | 577 c133 (Link to this contribution)

The Government are fully committed to the care.data programme and to the core principles that und...

Dan Poulter | 577 cc133-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have not said anything controversial yet, so if the hon. Gentleman will let me make some progre...

Jim Shannon | 577 c134 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister reassure us that there will be no possibility of private companies obtaining the...

Dan Poulter | 577 c135 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that I have already given the hon. Gentleman some reassurance that the data will have to b...

Baroness Keeley | 577 c135 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister like to comment on an announcement made at the launch of the MedRed BT health ...

Dan Poulter | 577 c135 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to be drawn into commenting on an American system. The point is that there are str...

Dan Poulter | 577 c135 (Link to this contribution)

I have been generous in giving way to the hon. Lady; I hope that she will let me address her poin...

Dan Poulter | 577 c135 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way. I am still addressing the hon. Lady’s point, and I am not saying anyt...

Andy Burnham | 577 c136 (Link to this contribution)

Where in the new clause does it say that? Nowhere does it say that the data cannot be passed to p...

Dan Poulter | 577 c136 (Link to this contribution)

Hopefully, if I am allowed to make some progress and address the points that have been raised, I ...

Dan Poulter | 577 cc136-7 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not afraid to give way. The hon. Gentleman should sit down, because he often has quite e...

Andy Burnham | 577 c137 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I would be very appreciative if he could direct me to the precise ...

Dan Poulter | 577 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is clear that the information can be used only for the benefit of the health and care service ...

Dan Poulter | 577 c138 (Link to this contribution)

No, the hon. Lady has had many interventions; I have been very generous—[Interruption.] I know sh...

Baroness Keeley | 577 c139 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I understood that this debate was scrutiny of the remaining stag...

John Bercow | 577 c139 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is certainly in order and there is a continuation of Report stage tomorrow. I am sur...

Dan Poulter | 577 cc139-140 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, Mr Speaker, and I hope that other Members will also be sensitive to that. The more interv...

Grahame Morris | 577 c140 (Link to this contribution)

In principle, I support the utilisation of truly anonymised patient data sharing for the purposes...

Baroness Keeley | 577 c140 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way, because the Minister was clearly frightened of an...

Grahame Morris | 577 cc140-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is a perfect example and an important question that the Minister and the Government should a...

Andy Burnham | 577 c141 (Link to this contribution)

To add to the theme that my hon. Friend is developing, is not one of the problems with care.data ...

Grahame Morris | 577 c141 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has hit the nail on the head, because there has been a catalogue of mismanag...

Stephen Dorrell | 577 c141 (Link to this contribution)

I want to return to a theme that we were discussing in an earlier debate this evening. The true n...

Grahame Morris | 577 c141 (Link to this contribution)

I thought I was being fairly clear. In the debate on the earlier group of amendments, we discusse...

Oliver Colvile | 577 c141 (Link to this contribution)

It is very important for there to be as much protection for the individual and the patient as pos...

Grahame Morris | 577 c142 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point which echoes a point made on the Labour Benches a f...

Andrew George | 577 c142 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I often agree on these issues, but I am slightly concerned. Of course we w...

Grahame Morris | 577 c142 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point. It is not my intention to do that, but we have to re...

Grahame Morris | 577 c142 (Link to this contribution)

I wanted to mention an example that has been presented to me in relation to rare illnesses. It is...

Baroness Keeley | 577 c142 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend: he is being very generous in giving way. Does he agree that scope is an i...

Grahame Morris | 577 c143 (Link to this contribution)

That is a good point. It is very important for the Government to lay down parameters for the scop...

Jamie Reed | 577 c143 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent, intelligent and informed speech. The charge has been made ...

Grahame Morris | 577 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. I think that that is vital, because, as we have seen in the case of politicians...

Oliver Colvile | 577 c144 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman think that there will be a problem with patients sharing that information...

Grahame Morris | 577 c144 (Link to this contribution)

On an individual basis, I do not see a problem with that. The problem arises when dealing with la...

Paul Burstow | 577 c144 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been incredibly gracious in giving way on several occasions. He has said t...

Grahame Morris | 577 c144 (Link to this contribution)

I have considered that, and that is an important point. Compliance is important. Those issues sho...

Jamie Reed | 577 c144 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concern and that of many GPs that the lack of necessary safeguards i...

Grahame Morris | 577 c145 (Link to this contribution)

That is a huge danger. We have an opportunity to address that in this House this evening and when...

John Bercow | 577 c145 (Link to this contribution)

Order. One might have thought the intervention of the hon. Member for Copeland (Mr Reed) was exqu...

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