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Water Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 6 January 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Dan Rogerson. The answering member was Maria Eagle.
Report stage. New clause 1 (Legislative competence for water), discussed with new clauses 2, 11, 12, 14, and government new schedule 1, negatived on division (6 votes to 282). New clause 3 (Provision of benefits information), discussed with New clauses 7, 8, 9, 10, debated and withdrawn. New clause 4 (Sustainable drainage and automatic right to connect), discussed with new clauses 5, 6, 13, debated and withdrawn. New clause 7 (National affordability scheme), negatived on division (216 votes to 291). New clause 11 (Duties of undertakers to furnish the Secretary of State with information: annual review), negatived on division (218 votes to 289). Government new schedule 1 (Orders under section 77: further provision), agreed to. Third reading debate. Queen's consent signified. Agreed to on question and Bill passed.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
573 cc47-140 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Water Bill 2013-14. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 17 December 2013
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Hywel Williams | 573 c48 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 573 cc48-9 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Retail exit—

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Hywel Williams | 573 cc49-51 (Link to this contribution)

As is often remarked, Wales is the land of mountains and valleys, and of lakes and rivers. It is ...

Philip Hollobone | 573 c50 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening to the hon. Gentleman’s speech with great interest. When the water industry was es...

Hywel Williams | 573 cc50-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. He anticipates my next points, though he is welc...

Jonathan Edwards | 573 c52 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on making a powerful case for the full devolution of Welsh water re...

Hywel Williams | 573 c52 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a telling point that I shall refer to later: there is no centre ground on th...

Jonathan Evans | 573 c52 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman rightly referred to the Capel Celyn situation—I remember it from many years ag...

Hywel Williams | 573 c52 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point. At every turn, when further devolution is proposed, right hon. and ...

Jonathan Edwards | 573 c52 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Cardiff North (Jonathan Evans) might have noticed over the summer that the Si...

Hywel Williams | 573 c53 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that further point, however disappointed we both might be wit...

Bob Stewart | 573 c53 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman’s new clause imply that the Welsh Assembly could stop water coming into E...

Hywel Williams | 573 c53 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman anticipates my next point: it is a matter for the Welsh Government to decide w...

Philip Hollobone | 573 c53 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the hon. Gentleman’s speech with genuine interest. If water is abstracted from the...

Hywel Williams | 573 c53 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. As I said, the agreement with Severn Trent preda...

Philip Hollobone | 573 c54 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned fracking, which could well be a growth business in Wales as in Engla...

Hywel Williams | 573 cc54-5 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a fine point. That would be the case if, say, Northumbrian Water sells t...

Jonathan Edwards | 573 c55 (Link to this contribution)

Considering the clear position of the Labour Welsh Government, does my hon. Friend share my surpr...

Hywel Williams | 573 c55 (Link to this contribution)

Alas, I am not surprised at all by the complete lack of Labour MPs from Wales in the Chamber. The...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Arfon (Hywel Williams), who moved his amendment so...

Alison Seabeck | 573 c56 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is without doubt an expert in these matters, given her role on the Select Committee...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her good services to the all-party group, where we serve as fe...

John McDonnell | 573 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton (Miss McIntosh). I see in the nation...

Lord Benyon | 573 c58 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been a consistent if sometimes lonely voice on this issue for a great many...

John McDonnell | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard the argument about infrastructure investment doubling since privatisation, but what ...

Alison Seabeck | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

Let me pursue the point about South West Water. There is no doubt that it has made dramatic inroa...

John McDonnell | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that significant investment has been made in the infrastructure, but the problem is that ...

Hywel Williams | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the hon. Gentleman would agree that the level of investment would be even higher if all...

John McDonnell | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

That is one reason why I support the Welsh model of a not-for-profit company, because, as I say, ...

Joan Walley | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned Severn Trent Water. Given the pollution incidents involving water compan...

John McDonnell | 573 c59 (Link to this contribution)

The drive for profits is making these companies ignore their duty towards the wider environment, ...

Lord Benyon | 573 c60 (Link to this contribution)

I promise not to intervene again, but I cannot resist doing so now. Does the hon. Gentleman’s res...

Baroness Primarolo | 573 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Interventions are supposed to be brief. If the hon. Gentleman wants to make a defence of t...

John McDonnell | 573 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Former Ministers need an element of retraining, so may I say to the hon. Gentleman that he can in...

Hywel Williams | 573 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this can be clearly seen in Welsh Water’s response to the cryp...

John McDonnell | 573 cc60-2 (Link to this contribution)

Competition and privatisation have not worked, which is why I do not think that the Bill, the mai...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)

May I take this opportunity, Madam Deputy Speaker, to wish you and all hon. Members a happy new y...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c63 (Link to this contribution)

Any company that is prepared to invest £1 million in improving the provision of water to Filey ha...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to get sidetracked by a debate about the merits of privatisation—I think you would ...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc64-5 (Link to this contribution)

I start by echoing the remarks of the Opposition spokesman, the hon. Member for Dunfermline and W...

Jonathan Edwards | 573 c65 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister be so kind as to inform the House of the situation in terms of the geographica...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c65 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman sets out his aspirations quite clearly by viewing the boundary between Wales a...

Roger Williams | 573 c65 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is well aware of the new clause’s implications for devolution. Does he agree that su...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc65-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his helpful intervention. He has somewhat pre-empted the remarks I was...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c66 (Link to this contribution)

I wish you a happy new year, Mr Deputy Speaker. Given that new clause 2 specifies that the proces...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc66-7 (Link to this contribution)

We are very clear that we look at such issues strategically across the whole market, rather than ...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c67 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that the Minister is confusing two different issues. Undoubtedly, competition in itself ha...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc67-9 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly was not seeking to suggest that the market is not working in Scotland. My point was t...

John McDonnell | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister satisfied that United Utilities, which supplies water to the north-west, is forec...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is referring to the current price review period, but we are about to enter a n...

John McDonnell | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister put his mortgage on United Utilities, Pennon and Severn Trent not increasing t...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that they would not welcome my mortgage, given the debts that they are already dealing ...

Charles Walker | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I do not often applaud water companies, but Affinity Water, which serves large parts of my part o...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. As he is not always an enthusiast for what water co...

Hywel Williams | 573 c69 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talks about fair deals between water companies. Is he satisfied with the terms for t...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c70 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is tempting me to get into the specifics of individual companies. The framewor...

Lord Benyon | 573 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Given that one of the key objectives of the Bill is to increase the resilience of the water secto...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c70 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and predecessor is a great advocate of ensuring that we have a far more resilient ...

Charles Walker | 573 c70 (Link to this contribution)

To refer once again to Affinity Water, its business plan for the five-year period from 2015-16 to...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c71 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is an astute and fearless challenger of all authorities, whether they be in the pr...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c71 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister probably has first-day-back blues. I refer him to Opposition new clause 11, which wo...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman hopes that his new clause would require further reports to be made to the Secr...

Hywel Williams | 573 c72 (Link to this contribution)

We have had an interesting debate, and I was glad to hear the contributions of the Chair of the E...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c72 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman should have intervened on me if he was concerned that I had not covered his ne...

Hywel Williams | 573 c72 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart) asks from a sedentary pos...

Hywel Williams | 573 cc72-3 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister is very kind. I was disappointed to have missed those sittings, and I apologi...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c73 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 573 cc73-6 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 7—National affordabili...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c76 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to consider new clause 3 and amendment 9, which seek to address legislation already on the...

John Redwood | 573 c76 (Link to this contribution)

To help the House, will my hon. Friend explain what kind of information she would like to see tra...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc76-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my right hon. Friend will bear with me as I take the House through it.

In the E...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc78-9 (Link to this contribution)

I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year, Mr Deputy Speaker.

I welcome the thought...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c79 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is always kind enough to remind me repeatedly, so I fear I can never forget an...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc79-80 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a good thing to be a charitable and giving soul, so I do my best to try to accommoda...

Lord Benyon | 573 c80 (Link to this contribution)

Average figures are exactly that—average. There are, of course, water companies that underperform...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)

I know that you are a fan of all things Yorkshire, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I will come on to Yorks...

Mark Spencer | 573 c81 (Link to this contribution)

I understand, and sympathise with, the point the hon. Gentleman is making, but there is no legal ...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c81 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who I think is a recent addition to the Select Committee. I ...

John Redwood | 573 c81 (Link to this contribution)

I fully agree with what the hon. Gentleman is trying to do, but I share the concern of my hon. Fr...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c81 (Link to this contribution)

I have huge respect for the right hon. Gentleman and his knowledge, but we are clear that, as the...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c82 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has set out how the burden of pursuit would fall on the water companies, but o...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc82-3 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Minister on stating the blindingly obvious. Of course, the landlord would have...

Mark Spencer | 573 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some brief comments that were too long for an intervention, particularly about new...

John Redwood | 573 c84 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the Government will look at the issue of unpaid bills. Colleagues of all parties are ...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c84 (Link to this contribution)

Given that it is the water industry itself that is pressing for this power relating to landlord i...

John Redwood | 573 c85 (Link to this contribution)

It may or may not be. I do not have a very high opinion of the success of the water industry in t...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c85 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Dunfermline and West Fife (Thomas Docherty) has proposed a number of new clau...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c85 (Link to this contribution)

I refer the Minister to the evidence session during the eighth sitting of the Public Bill Committ...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c85 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is, as always, keen to assist. What I said comes entirely from my recollection...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c86 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, but on this occasion it is perhaps the Minister who should have paid more attentio...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c86 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the hon. Gentleman’s views on social tariffs, which he feels have not been introduce...

Roger Williams | 573 c86 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the water companies made larger profits because the period of very low i...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc86-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. He is absolutely right to point out that what is pro...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way, but before he concludes his remarks he must ...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c88 (Link to this contribution)

The Chair of the Select Committee is quite right that I have yet to respond to that aspect of her...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister and am listening carefully to what he says. He will, I am sure, com...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc88-90 (Link to this contribution)

We should at least allow the database to be set up and give it a chance to operate. That would se...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c90 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the Minister that our scheme would not involve cross-subsidisation. I am surprised that ...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc90-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am seeking to point out that there are a range of benefits and a range of circumstances for peo...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c91 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a fruitful debate, but I express my disappointment that my hon. Friend the Minister h...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c91 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 573 cc91-3 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: new clause 5 —Abstraction reform—

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c93 (Link to this contribution)

I shall try to keep my remarks brief, but this is the first occasion that I can remember when the...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c93 (Link to this contribution)

It is worth pointing out that local authorities in Scotland place great emphasis on the opinion o...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c93 (Link to this contribution)

As a non-practising Scottish advocate, I would always say that the Scottish legal system has a gr...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc93-4 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, that is a different argument.

I shall give our reasons for new clause 4 in a moment...

Sheryll Murray | 573 c94 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Flood Re clauses will help the people whom the Minister and I ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc94-6 (Link to this contribution)

Our thoughts are obviously with my hon. Friend’s constituents who were sadly inundated during the...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc96-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a delight to be supported by the hon. Gentleman.

The current system for managi...

Roger Williams | 573 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that many Members will have a deal of sympathy for my hon. Friend and her concern for s...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c98 (Link to this contribution)

Like my hon. Friend, I merely shadow DEFRA so I do not have the definition to hand, but I am sure...

Steve McCabe | 573 c98 (Link to this contribution)

Is it the hon. Lady’s understanding that not only would small businesses and micro-businesses in ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, but I believe that homes generally are covered. Our ...

Sheryll Murray | 573 c99 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend clarify the difference between an insurance policy that covers a business pre...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc99-100 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Minister will be well aware of the point that my hon. Friend is trying to make...

Joan Walley | 573 c100 (Link to this contribution)

I am fortunate to follow the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton (Miss McIntosh), who speaks with t...

Thomas Docherty | 573 c100 (Link to this contribution)

It will probably not cheer my hon. Friend to hear that every single amendment tabled in Committee...

Joan Walley | 573 cc100-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for pointing that out. As I have said, the proof of the pudding w...

Mark Spencer | 573 cc103-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendments 1, 2, 3 and 10, particularly amendment 1, which stands in my name.<...

Neil Carmichael | 573 c104 (Link to this contribution)

We have exactly the same problem in my constituency of Stroud in connection with Slimbridge and a...

Mark Spencer | 573 c104 (Link to this contribution)

It is very difficult, but we can make sure that anything new that is built does not make the prob...

Andrew Love | 573 cc104-6 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak to new clause 13, which I have tabled. It is headed, “Unlawful communications”. S...

Lord Benyon | 573 cc105-8 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak briefly to new clause 5, but I also want to touch on the comments made by my hon....

Steve McCabe | 573 cc107-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will be extremely brief and confine my remarks to Flood Re. With all due respect to the hon. Me...

Thomas Docherty | 573 cc109-110 (Link to this contribution)

May I wish you a warm and happy new year, Madam Deputy Speaker?

We have had a thoughtful an...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc110-2 (Link to this contribution)

In the time available I shall seek to respond to as many points as I can. The Chair of the Enviro...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c112 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a good debate on Flood Re. The Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee wanted t...

Dan Rogerson | 573 cc134-6 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I begin by thanking those who have...

Maria Eagle | 573 cc135-9 (Link to this contribution)

This Bill includes important reforms that build on three important reviews taken forward by the p...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 cc139-140 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a good debate today. I welcome the Bill and thank all those involved in preparing it,...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 573 c140 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend praises the SUDS system, but will she take into account, and ask our hon. Friends ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c140 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will have an opportunity to read our proceedings tomorrow and see the debate that ...

Dan Rogerson | 573 c140 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way on this point, as I did not have the opportunity t...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 573 c140 (Link to this contribution)

That will be very welcome news. As I said, I was alerted to this problem after the time for tabli...

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