Care Bill [Lords]

The right hon. Gentleman casts those allegations around widely. Will he name the Ministers agains...

I will absolutely go on to name the problems and the Ministers involved, if the hon. Gentleman wi...

The Secretary of State has come here to introduce the Second Reading of a very important Bill, ye...

The reason I am talking about this is that the hon. Lady’s party has decided to oppose the Bill. ...

Will the Minister give way?

I will make some progress, then I will give way.

Labour will today vote against measures th...

How can it be appropriate to introduce a debate on such fundamentally important issues as the way...

The right hon. Gentleman needs to read his own amendment, because it says that he “declines to gi...

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I am going to make some progress. The new chief inspector of hospitals will act as Ofsted does wi...

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No, I am going to make some progress. Today he had a chance to show that he had learned how wrong...

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Is it in order for the Secretary of State to misrepresent the vi...

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his point of order, and I make two points in respon...

I am delighted to do so, Mr Speaker, and I know that you would think it was legitimate of me to h...

Will the Secretary of State give way?

I am going to make some progress.

When problems are uncovered, action must be swift. Robert...

Why, when the Secretary of State and the Prime Minister have clearly set out the four tests that ...

I recognise that the right hon. Lady campaigns hard for her constituents. The four tests set out ...

I am sorry that the Secretary of State has not made any reference to part 1 of the Bill, which is...

As the hon. Gentleman knows, we considered that matter carefully. We decided that the best way fo...

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I want to make some progress.

At Committee stage, we intend to table amendments to enable t...

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I will give way in a moment, but let me make some progress first.

I commend the right hon. ...

At a time of austerity, when there is very little public money around, the need for innovation an...

With the greatest of respect to the right hon. Lady, who, I know, played a good role in the G8 de...

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I am going to make some progress.

Thanks to our reversal of Labour’s 2004 GP contract, vuln...

Will the Secretary of State give way?

I am going to make some progress.

Some 100,000 older people will benefit financially and ev...

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I will give way to my hon. Friend.

I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. He says that everyone will be protecte...

My hon. Friend is right. We followed the recommendations of Andrew Dilnot, who did not think that...

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The right hon. Gentleman will have a chance to speak later.

We want to be one of the first ...

Will the Secretary of State give way?

The Government’s response to the tragedy of Mid Staffs has been widely welcomed, which is why the...

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Order. I should give notice to the House that there will almost certainly have to be quite a tigh...

I beg to move

That this House, whilst affirming its belief that the Care Bill [Lords] is a ...

Members can hardly say “Ah!” after the performance that we just saw at the Dispatch Box. On the i...

The issues are huge. They affect every family in this country and the worries they have about how...

Would my right hon. Friend have been as shocked as I was yesterday when I met the carer of a woma...

I would like to say that I would have been shocked, but I know that the system just gets worse an...

I am slightly confused, because we have been called to the House today to debate the amendment ta...

I would have thought that the hon. Gentleman had been here long enough to know the difference by ...

I was going to make a similar point. Is it wise to bring forward an amendment of the type the rig...

I agree with the hon. Gentleman, which is why I am not opportunistically opposing the Bill. I hav...

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

No, I want to make some progress.

I described the care system we have in England. Surely we...

I spent 30 years making assessments of people who were in care and addressing the care that they ...

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. This Bill promises far-off help for people while services are...

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

I shall in a moment.

What are the direct and practical effects of those cuts to council bud...

I am sure the right hon. Gentleman agrees it is important that we are accurate about these matter...

I do not disagree with the approach of setting national eligibility criteria and taking a nationa...

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that more than 100 councils were setting the eligibility cri...

That is a political point; let me deal with it. When we left government, 38 councils were providi...

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I was about to explain that those charges are increasing quite quickly, but first I will give way...

I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way and I am surprised and disappointed that the Secretar...

Those are the facts. The councils that are still trying to provide support to people with moderat...

Local authority budgets were indeed cut to deal with the deficit, so will the right hon. Gentlema...

The Secretary of State may remember that when he came into government he stood on a manifesto pro...

I am not surprised that the Secretary of State wants to change the subject, because if that decis...

The Secretary of State began by quoting the principles of the NHS. I was always led to believe th...

I was very disappointed that the Secretary of State would not give way to me, because he did not ...

I could not agree more. I would guess that disabled people listening to the debate today will be ...

I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman has mentioned older people. Does he accept that although ...

The hon. Lady must have misunderstood me. I am not saying that age is unimportant; I am saying th...

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

I shall do so once more, but then I must make some progress.

The right hon. Gentleman is being generous in giving way. The point is that we are discussing the...

I am not sure that I agree with the hon. Lady. Some older people in my constituency probably do n...

indicated assent.

The Secretary of State is nodding, but I hope he will be honest enough to admit today that that i...

Will the shadow Secretary of State confirm to the House that the use of notional costs, which he ...

I remember that the right hon. Gentleman showed a good deal of support for the Dilnot proposals, ...

indicated dissent.

The right hon. Gentleman shakes his head, but a £72,000 cap is not what Dilnot recommended. That ...

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that that was exactly the same proposal as his party’s Gover...

Just as the Government’s proposal is not the Dilnot report, it is not my national care service pr...

My right hon. Friend is making excellent points. On deferred payments, this proposal has been pre...

They are offering a similar scheme but at the moment they are not allowed to charge interest on i...

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I noticed that the Secretary of State was not very good at giving way, and I hope in future he wi...

I am most grateful. Will the right hon. Gentleman confirm that the impact assessment for his poli...

I was proposing a fundamentally different policy in a national care service. I ask the Secretary ...

In the interests of explaining his policy, will the right hon. Gentleman confirm that the answer ...

I say again, with all respect to the Chair of the Health Committee, that I was proposing a fundam...

My right hon. Friend is being generous in giving way, and I guess we ought to move on shortly. Th...

I completely agree, and it is unfair that older people have not been given a full picture. People...

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

I will make some progress and turn to part 2 of the Bill and measures related to the NHS. It woul...

Does my right hon. Friend recall that in the case of the failing South London Healthcare NHS Trus...

I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend. She and the people of her community stood up to an arrogan...

The clause introduced in the House of Lords gives extra powers to the trust special administrator...

That illustrates the confusion that is currently at the heart of the NHS. No one knows who is in ...

What has that got to do with the Care Bill?

One reason the Lewisham clause is so worrying is that simple collaboration between hospitals to s...

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the Government seem to have adopted a drip, drip, drip strat...

They did, and they put those posters up at the election to try and scare older people—I do not kn...

Independent sector treatment centres—the right hon. Gentleman’s party started competition!

Across the NHS, people are spending millions on competition lawyers thanks to the Bill that the h...

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Order. As hon. Members will be aware, many people have indicated that they would like to contribu...

I welcome the Bill. I do not propose to follow the shadow Secretary of State into a discussion of...

Does the right hon. Gentleman appreciate that it is possible to carry out lots of needs assessmen...

I shall come on to that point, but to react directly to the hon. Lady’s point, surely it is much ...

I think that is precisely the point my hon. Friend the Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon) was making....

Of course I accept that if we have more money, we can do more, but I do not think that that exemp...

The right hon. Gentleman will recall that the NHS chief executive stood before him and his Commit...

I did not say it was irrelevant; I said it was not germane to this Bill—and in the seven minutes ...

I should like to begin by quoting one of the Alzheimer’s Society’s ambassadors, Arlene Phillips. ...

As my right hon. Friend has said, the backbone of care in this society is provided by friends and...

My hon. Friend makes an extremely powerful point. I am pleased that the Bill strengthens support ...

I am very interested in the right hon. Lady’s proposition, and would be happy to talk further wit...

I am grateful to the Minister for that. In these difficult times, we all have a responsibility to...

I think that the whole House would agree with the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel...

The Care Bill already seems like a wasted opportunity. I worked for four months, alongside right ...

My hon. Friend has already alluded to the fact that that is the picture up and down the country. ...

I agree with my hon. Friend.

Changing eligibility from “moderate” to “substantial” this yea...

I absolutely respect and appreciate the hon. Lady’s concern for carers; she has campaigned vigoro...

I do not agree at all. These cuts are far too swingeing, and there is nowhere else for my local a...

I greatly welcome much of what is in the Bill. I am slightly disappointed by the tone of some—not...

I am not sure that I share the hon. Lady’s enthusiasm about the transformation of the CQC; nevert...

I am afraid that the quality of care and social care could be the next boil of scandal to erupt a...

Members on both sides of the House agree that we need to reform and improve how we provide care t...

On the theme that my hon. Friend is developing, quite a lot of carers are almost borderline in th...

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I managed care services when, not the previous Government but...

My hon. Friend is making an absolutely crucial point. Does she agree that unless investment in so...

I agree. The demand for services is now greater than ever. Our social care system is being cut to...

I want to echo the remarks made by the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears): w...

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

I give way to the hon. Lady because she tried to intervene first.

It is about a year since the right hon. Gentleman and I started four months’ work on the Joint Co...

I entirely understand that, and I see it in my constituency, where my local authority is grapplin...

I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend for his amazing work in launching the Bill and in its pre-l...

That is very helpful, and I am grateful. The fact that the prevention duty will be outside the el...

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul Burstow).

There...

At a time when children’s safeguarding boards are subject to so much scrutiny and questions about...

My hon. Friend makes a good point.

I was struck when speaking to victims’ families in south...

The hon. Gentleman is making some serious points. Does he welcome the fact that the Government ha...

I welcome that but I am not sure it goes far enough. I think the issue needs to be teased out fur...

I know that the hon. Gentleman is campaigning hard on these issues at the moment. Does he agree t...

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his suggestion. That seems possibly a good idea and somethin...

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Blaenau Gwent (Nick Smith), who raised a number of...

it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Pudsey (Stuart Andrew). I know about the fine work...

I had to leave the Chamber earlier, Madam Deputy Speaker, for an hour or so, but I assume we have...

My hon. Friend has taken a close interest in, and campaigned on, the Bill during its passage thro...

Order. Will the right hon. Gentleman face the rest of the Chamber and address the Chair, and whil...

I apologise to you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have been here long enough to know that I should spea...

I thank my right hon. Friend.

Acceptance of the principles—certainly acceptance of them by ...

For reasons that might become clear later, I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Bradford Ea...

On my right hon. Friend’s list of changes affecting people needing care, does she agree there is ...

I agree with my hon. Friend and I raised that with the Minister in a Westminster Hall debate. The...

For my constituents this Care Bill is one of the most important pieces of legislation we have see...

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Newton Abbot (Anne Marie Morris), who made a measu...

My hon. Friend is making important points about clause 118, which has become known as the “Lewish...

In my experience, it is wholly inadequate. The consultation period is being slightly extended thr...

When I say that it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Lewisham East (Heidi Alexander), t...

The hon. Member for South Swindon (Mr Buckland) speaks with great passion and knowledge in suppor...

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Sefton Central (Bill Esterson), who speaks so comp...

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. Does she share with me the excitement at the plan...

Absolutely. I welcome the fact that Torbay will be part of one of the integrated care pilots, and...

Would the hon. Lady advocate a single service, and has she any thoughts on how that would operate...

Indeed. It operates very well already in Torbay, but it cannot be dictated centrally. We need to ...

It will be.

I thank the Minister for that clarification. Also, an offence of wilful neglect already exists wi...

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in this debate. Like several colleagues who have sp...

Does my hon. Friend agree that the problem of low pay and poor conditions, which he is outlining ...

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. That ties in with home care visits. The United Kingdom H...

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this debate, not least because this Bill, particula...

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for acknowledging the change we made in the Children and Families ...

But that is only if they and their needs are eligible. In all the cases I have looked at, no one ...

It is a pleasure to make a contribution in this debate. I thank hon. Members who have made what I...

It is a pleasure to follow so many passionate and marvellous speeches, and I hope that my speech ...

Health and social care are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, so I rarely contribute to debates...

First, may I apologise to the House? I was here for the early stages of the debate and listened t...

Personal assistants are not part of the CQC regulatory system. That has always been the case, inc...

I think Mr Kaye would like me to press that at some stage during the Bill’s progress. His view is...

I have a great deal of sympathy with what my hon. Friend is saying. In my experience there seems ...

I was with a constituent last Friday and the issue under discussion was disabled facilities grant...

Like my constituents, I was relieved when the Government said they would act on the Dilnot report...

I apologise for not having been in the Chamber for most of the debate, Mr Deputy Speaker, because...

Today’s debate has been about one of the most important issues facing Britain today: how we care ...

I chair the all-party group on social care and when the Dilnot recommendations were made we implo...

My hon. Friend makes her points diplomatically. It is only owing to the efforts of Members in the...

I thank everyone who has taken part in what has been a lively and interesting debate on a subject...

Will the Minister give way?

I will just finish this point.

There is also a focus on protecting everyone from catastroph...

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I give way to the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears).

The debate this evening has been fabulous and has engaged people from across the House on one of ...

I note the challenge, but I have been passionate about integrating care for many years. I made th...

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I did not get much of an impression of that in the hon. Lady’s contribution, but I give way to he...

I thank the Minister for eventually giving way. I am surprised and disappointed that he is repeat...

Order. I call the Minister.

I note the position in Salford, and I recognise that finances in local government are tight. Howe...

Can the Minister guarantee to older people listening to the debate this evening that nobody will ...

Of course we have made it clear that people can choose to spend more, but I can say absolutely th...

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I need to press on.

Many people will pay significantly less for care than they do now. Peop...

I thank the Minister for giving way because I want to press him again about the care cap. On 11 F...

It is the maximum people have to pay once they have reached the threshold for care, but they can ...