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Badger Cull

Adjournment debate on Wednesday, 11 December 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Chris Williamson. The answering member was George Eustice.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
572 cc105-132WH 
Session
2013-14
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Chris Williamson | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Weir.

I make it clear for the record ...

Neil Parish | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman says that there is no justification for the cull, so why is it that the Republ...


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Chris Williamson | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

I will develop my argument, but the hon. Gentleman is misquoting the statistics relating to Irela...

Mike Weir | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. Quiet in the Chamber. A lot of people want to speak in this debate, so I ask for quiet and...

Jim Cunningham | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

Does not the evidence show that, even with the cull, the targets cannot be achieved? More importa...

Chris Williamson | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I will address his point if I have time.

Barry Sheerman | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that this debate is on so-called control of mainland badgers? Will he p...

Chris Williamson | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right.

Mel Stride | 572 c106WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Williamson | 572 cc106-7WH (Link to this contribution)

May I develop my argument a little further, because I have only just started? I have read only th...

Mel Stride | 572 c107WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Williamson | 572 c107WH (Link to this contribution)

May I carry on a little longer?

As we know, the cull has been a dismal failure. The policy ...

Brian H Donohoe | 572 c107WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate.

Scotland is virtually clear of TB in...

Chris Williamson | 572 c107WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that the Government should look at evidence from elsewhere in the United ...

Caroline Lucas | 572 c107WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this debate. He mentioned my parliamentary question...

Chris Williamson | 572 c108WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. I will address her point a little later.

Chris Williamson | 572 c108WH (Link to this contribution)

I will carry on before taking a few more interventions.

What I find so scandalous about the...

Chris Williamson | 572 c108WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is with...

David TC Davies | 572 c108WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that there is some scientific evidence in favour of a cull, as...

Chris Williamson | 572 cc108-9WH (Link to this contribution)

The fact is that the Welsh Government rejected any suggestion of a cull and are going ahead with ...

Andrew George | 572 c109WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this important debate. He mentioned the science and...

Chris Williamson | 572 c109WH (Link to this contribution)

One would certainly hope that the Government would. I am going to refer to Lord Krebs in a moment...

James Gray | 572 c109WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a most impassioned speech, albeit one with which I do not entirely a...

Chris Williamson | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

I have fundamental objections to the cull. All the evidence demonstrates that it is likely to mak...

Chris Williamson | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

The culls are making matters worse, and yet Members are straining at the leash to intervene to su...

Simon Hart | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. The hon. Gentleman gives the impression...

Chris Williamson | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

I of course concede that some small percentage of individuals—pseudo-scientists, some might call ...

Michael Fabricant | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Weir. The British Veterinary Association has just been referred to as a g...

Mike Weir | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order. Interventions as points of order are not going to help matters. Man...

Chris Williamson | 572 c110WH (Link to this contribution)

I actually said that some might say that they are—[Interruption.] I urge hon. Members to check Ha...

Mel Stride | 572 c111WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Williamson | 572 c111WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way at the moment.

I wonder what on earth the Secretary of State is doing. ...

Bill Wiggin | 572 c111WH (Link to this contribution)

I wish to take up the hon. Gentleman’s point about doing the same thing over and over again. My g...

Chris Williamson | 572 cc111-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is exaggerating slightly. That will be necessary only in the hot spot areas. H...

David Morris | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that even if we killed every badger in the UK it would not eradicat...

Chris Williamson | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. It is a moot point whether badgers are responsible for in...

Chris Williamson | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

I am about to conclude my remarks. I simply say that I hope that the Government listen to the deb...

Caroline Dinenage | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been generous in taking interventions. I want to make one quick point. Dur...

Chris Williamson | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. I am delighted that Government Members are as passionate as I ...

Mel Stride | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Williamson | 572 c112WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not take any more interventions, as I know other people want to speak. I know that some Me...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way on the point about the controversy?

Chris Williamson | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman will let me finish on this point, he will, I hope, be able to come in befor...

Mel Stride | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Williamson | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

I am about to conclude.

If Ministers are so sure of their position, they should have nothin...

Mike Weir | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. A very large number of Members are seeking to speak in the debate. I do not know whether w...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a delight to be able to speak in this Chamber again, having emerged from my sett. I congrat...

Michael Fabricant | 572 c113WH (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the issue is not only the misery of farmers and the impact o...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 572 c114WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I did not oppose the cull when it was first proposed, simply ...

Brian H Donohoe | 572 c114WH (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes an important point. Lay people do not necessarily get the informat...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 572 c114WH (Link to this contribution)

I could not possibly comment, and the hon. Gentleman would not expect me to. I have not looked in...

Angela C Smith | 572 cc114-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Weir. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Mem...

Angela C Smith | 572 c115WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way just once, because of the time limits and because other Members want to speak.

Mel Stride | 572 c115WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for generously giving way. On the point about scientific evidence, the deba...

Angela C Smith | 572 cc115-6WH (Link to this contribution)

The scientific evidence I was referring to was the 10-year, £50-million project, which is the fun...

Simon Hart | 572 c116WH (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief, and stick to practical concerns including one or two claims that have been made...

Caroline Lucas | 572 c117WH (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Gentleman said he would leave the science to the Minister, but it would be g...

Simon Hart | 572 c117WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the lesson on countryside management. Actually the method of control is similar...

Tessa Munt | 572 c117WH (Link to this contribution)

Surely it would have been most sensible to mark the ammunition used in the pilot, so that the pub...

Simon Hart | 572 cc117-8WH (Link to this contribution)

The Natural England licensing conditions are clear about the sort of ammunition and weaponry that...

Simon Hart | 572 c118WH (Link to this contribution)

I give way, because no one else gave way to my hon. Friend.

Ian Jnr Paisley | 572 c118WH (Link to this contribution)

It is nice of you to take pity on me; don’t cull me.

The only body that has been sanctioned...

Simon Hart | 572 c118WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point.

I have 21 seconds left, so I shall say that farmers do a...

Caroline Lucas | 572 cc118-9WH (Link to this contribution)

I add my congratulations to those given to the hon. Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) on ...

Charles Hendry | 572 c119WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that newer approaches to vaccination are emerging and could reduce the c...

Caroline Lucas | 572 cc119-120WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his helpful intervention. I agree with him absolutely, and I am fa...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 572 c120WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to you, Mr Weir, for allowing me to catch your eye. I grew up on a dairy and pig fa...

Angela C Smith | 572 c120WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that the social structure of the badger population in Britain...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 572 cc120-1WH (Link to this contribution)

Having watched badgers, I know that when a badger gets TB it goes into the bottom of the sett, di...

Tessa Munt | 572 c121WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 572 c121WH (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Lady in a moment.

If we keep imposing those costs on our farmer...

Tessa Munt | 572 c121WH (Link to this contribution)

Many farmers in my constituency have an enormous problem with DEFRA and its agencies in respect o...

Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 572 c121WH (Link to this contribution)

Nobody would condone any farmer or anybody breaking the biosecurity regime. In fact, the Governme...

Kerry McCarthy | 572 cc121-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I, too, would like to congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) o...

Mike Weir | 572 c123WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are still a lot of Members trying to speak. I want to call the Front-Bench Members a...

Anne Main | 572 cc123-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) for securing the debate; he m...

Iain McKenzie | 572 cc124-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship for the first time, Mr Weir. I congratulate my ...

Andrew George | 572 c125WH (Link to this contribution)

My primary concern as I approach this subject is for the lives and livelihoods of livestock farme...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 572 cc125-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate your stewardship of the debate, Mr Weir. I want to make three brief points and try t...

Andrew George | 572 c126WH (Link to this contribution)

To take an intervention from the hon. Gentleman.

Ian Jnr Paisley | 572 c126WH (Link to this contribution)

No, not to take an intervention; I do not care if the hon. Member for Derby North does not want t...

Glyn Davies | 572 cc126-7WH (Link to this contribution)

This is a very difficult, complex, sensitive and not straightforward issue, but despite all that,...

Simon Hart | 572 c127WH (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that the advice of the chief vet in Wales to the former Government in Wal...

Glyn Davies | 572 c127WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, principally because it gives me another minute. I a...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 572 cc127-9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is great to be here under your chairmanship, Mr Weir. I will have to rattle through some of my...

Tracey Crouch | 572 c129WH (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is a bit of a cheek for the Government to say that the pilo...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 572 cc129-130WH (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. I do not have time to cover everything, so I will write to the Minister...

George Eustice | 572 c130WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Derby North (Chris Williamson) on securing what has been a liv...

George Eustice | 572 cc130-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I will make some headway.

A number of European countries that have a known problem with TB ...

Angela C Smith | 572 c131WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister makes the case with international comparisons, but he must acknowledge that the stru...

George Eustice | 572 cc131-2WH (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that, because the randomised badger culling trial, cited by many hon. Members tod...

David Morris | 572 c132WH (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the Minister for the work I know he has been doing on this subject. Farmers know...

George Eustice | 572 c132WH (Link to this contribution)

We have a badger vaccine deployment fund of approximately £250,000 a year. Uptake has been slight...

Bill Wiggin | 572 c132WH (Link to this contribution)

My constituents are deeply concerned about the issue, as everyone knows. We have to explain to fa...

George Eustice | 572 c132WH (Link to this contribution)

We are working on a DIVA test, but, as hon. Members pointed out, it will probably take eight to 1...

Mike Weir | 572 c132WH (Link to this contribution)

Order. We have run out of time.

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