UK Parliament / Open data

Financial Transaction Tax and Economic and Monetary Union

Debate on Tuesday, 18 June 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Greg Clark. The answering member was Chris Leslie.
Motion made that this House takes note of European Union Document No. 16988/1/12, a Commission Communication on a Blueprint for a Deep and Genuine EMU: Launching a European debate, an Un-numbered European Document dated 5 December 2012, a Report from the President of the European Council: Towards a Genuine Economic and Monetary Union, European Union Documents No. 15390/12, a draft Council Decision authorising enhanced co-operation in the area of financial transaction tax, and No. 6442/13 and Addenda 1 and 2, a draft Council Directive implementing enhanced co-operation in the area of financial transaction tax; observes that the European Scrutiny Committee has reported on these documents and concluded that they raise questions relating to parliamentary sovereignty and primacy as well as fiscal and monetary issues; notes that the European Commission Communication states that ‘Interparliamentary co-operation as such does not, however, ensure democratic legitimacy for EU decisions. That requires a parliamentary assembly representatively composed in which votes can be taken. The European Parliament, and only it, is that assembly for the EU and hence for the euro’, and that the report from the President of the European Council concludes that ‘further integration of policy making and a greater pooling of competences at the European level should first and foremost be accompanied with a commensurate involvement of the European Parliament in the integrated frameworks for a genuine EMU’; further notes that the proposals for the Financial Transaction Tax have been challenged by the Government in the European Court of Justice; notes that recent European Treaties and protocols have emphasised the role of national parliaments throughout the European Union as the foundation of democratic legitimacy and accountability; and believes that this role is the pivot upon which democracy in the United Kingdom must be based on behalf of the voters in every constituency. Amendment negatived on division (215 to 311). Main question agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
564 cc786-812 
Session
2013-14
Department
Treasury
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
European Scrutiny Committee twenty sixth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 9 January 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Economic and monetary union. European Scrutiny Committee twenty-eighth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 16 January 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Committee thirty-fourth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 6 March 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Committee thirty-eighth report with formal minutes.
Tuesday, 26 March 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

Show all related items (7)
European Scrutiny Committee fortieth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 24 April 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Select Committee fourth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 5 June 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Financial Transaction Tax and Economic and Monetary Union
Thursday, 20 June 2013
Written corrections
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lindsay Hoyle | 564 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that Mr Speaker has selected the amendment in the name of Edward Miliband.

...
Greg Clark | 564 cc787-8 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House takes note of European Union Document No. 16988/1/12, a Comm...


Show all contributions (94)
Bill Esterson | 564 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for apparently making the argument for international co-operation i...

Greg Clark | 564 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to the hon. Gentleman’s point. I would point out that President Obama and his Trea...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 c788 (Link to this contribution)

What obligation would the British Government be under either to enforce or to collect this tax if...

Greg Clark | 564 c789 (Link to this contribution)

That goes to the heart of our concern, because under the mechanism set out, we would be under suc...

Bernard Jenkin | 564 c789 (Link to this contribution)

Does the proposal not expose the beguiling attraction of allowing enhanced co-operation as a gest...

Greg Clark | 564 c789 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. That is precisely why we are challenging the legitimacy of...

Alison Seabeck | 564 c789 (Link to this contribution)

What would be the implications of the UK’s rejection of the FTT? Would the Government raise the b...

Greg Clark | 564 c790 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Lady helpfully points out, we, unlike many other European countries, have a bank levy...

Chris Leslie | 564 c790 (Link to this contribution)

I am not entirely clear about the Government’s policy. I think that, once upon a time, the Chance...

Greg Clark | 564 c790 (Link to this contribution)

In fact, we already have a financial transaction tax. It is called stamp duty, and it has existed...

Luciana Berger | 564 c790 (Link to this contribution)

The Financial Secretary mentioned stamp duty. Stamp duty has an extra-territorial application, wh...

Greg Clark | 564 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

I shall say more about stamp duty shortly, but I am sure the hon. Lady, who I am sure is a studen...

Andy Sawford | 564 c791 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is a fair-minded Minister when it comes to most matters on which I have ...

Greg Clark | 564 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his kind words, but when we have a chance to participate ...

Andrea Leadsom | 564 c791 (Link to this contribution)

In the context of transparency, does the Financial Secretary agree that creating an unlevel playi...

Greg Clark | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. This runs contrary to the whole direction of the reform that we have bee...

Bob Stewart | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

If an FTT were imposed on us, where would the money be sent? Would it be sent to the EU, a countr...

Greg Clark | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

It would go to the country which was liable for the transaction tax that fell due there, but it w...

Neil Parish | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that in the context of the City of London needing to be attractive for ...

Greg Clark | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. It is not only the London economy that would be damaged; the whole European economy woul...

Andrea Leadsom | 564 c792 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Nottingham East (Chris Leslie) says, “Ah, the Financial Secretary is against ...

Greg Clark | 564 cc792-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right, although one of the unsatisfactory aspects of the FTT proposal is that ...

James Clappison | 564 c793 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to hear my right hon. Friend make those comments, but the vision so clearly set out ...

Greg Clark | 564 c793 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right, and that is why I was keen to have this debate and make sure the Committ...

William Cash | 564 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what my right hon. Friend says, but in the light of the assumption, based on what the Chan...

Greg Clark | 564 c794 (Link to this contribution)

We have taken the view that the problems in the euro area that require resolution should be resol...

John Redwood | 564 c794 (Link to this contribution)

Monetary union is like having a bank account with the neighbours, and now the neighbours who have...

Greg Clark | 564 c794 (Link to this contribution)

We have been very clear, and the single supervisory mechanism is a good example, as I have said. ...

Michael Connarty | 564 c794 (Link to this contribution)

That was a specific point, but I want to say that it is not only Members of the right hon. Gentle...

Lindsay Hoyle | 564 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Mr Connarty, you were late coming in, so then to make such a long intervention is not good...

Greg Clark | 564 c795 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point, and I was wrong in seemingly indicating that it was on...

Bernard Jenkin | 564 c795 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly support the principles set out on the primacy of national Parliaments in the Pri...

Lindsay Hoyle | 564 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Mr Jenkin, I have mentioned that we want short interventions. That was your second interve...

Greg Clark | 564 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, I will be brief. Of course these are not panaceas; they are not sol...

Chris Leslie | 564 cc796-7 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment (a), leave out

‘further notes that the proposals for the Financial ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 c797 (Link to this contribution)

There seems a slight illogicality in what the hon. Gentleman has been saying. He says that he wan...

Chris Leslie | 564 c797 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister was talking about the European variant of the FTT, but of course he was forced then ...

Greg Clark | 564 c797 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will know that stamp duty follows the issuance principle—in other words, the t...

Chris Leslie | 564 cc797-8 (Link to this contribution)

Why on earth then does the Minister not engage in the process, change people’s minds, get a bette...

Jim Cunningham | 564 c798 (Link to this contribution)

May I apologise to the Minister for coming in a little late? The same argument was used about the...

Chris Leslie | 564 c798 (Link to this contribution)

The public are sick and tired of hearing more of the same from the Government—no solutions, just ...

Stephen Williams | 564 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify that my position and that of my party is that a financial transaction tax ...

Chris Leslie | 564 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I shall set out our position clearly: we do not think that the EU variant of the FTT is optimal. ...

Stephen Williams | 564 c799 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister is absolutely right: I did not disagree with a single word he read out. It wa...

Chris Leslie | 564 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! The hon. Gentleman cannot seriously be suggesting that he is going to ...

Greg Clark | 564 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Well, of all the ingenious ways to concoct a rationale. It is very instructive that out of all th...

Chris Leslie | 564 c799 (Link to this contribution)

It is a sentence that takes note of something self-evident. Of course there is a challenge—we all...

Bernard Jenkin | 564 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Leslie | 564 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some progress, as there is not much time.

For the longer term, we must recal...

John Redwood | 564 c800 (Link to this contribution)

Do the Opposition think that a bank headquartered in London, with its group corporate structure i...

Chris Leslie | 564 cc800-1 (Link to this contribution)

I think that any financial institution that could have a systemic impact on our economy and UK fi...

Greg Clark | 564 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I am intrigued by what the hon. Gentleman has just said. He cites the House of Commons Library, w...

Chris Leslie | 564 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we need to have a financial transaction tax, ideally in concert with other internati...

Mark Lazarowicz | 564 c801 (Link to this contribution)

The health of the financial services industry is important not just to London and New York, but i...

Chris Leslie | 564 c801 (Link to this contribution)

There are others who make compelling arguments about the need for intervention on the volatility ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

When did this change in Labour’s policy come about? I distinctly remember, when I was in the Euro...

Chris Leslie | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I did not know that the hon. Gentleman was so close to Labour Members of the European Parliament....

Andrea Leadsom | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

What is the hon. Gentleman’s assessment of the impact on job losses and costs to savers and pensi...

Chris Leslie | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think there would be any such impact if we designed the FTT correctly and implemented it...

Andrea Leadsom | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the hon. Gentleman must realise that if there is a financial transaction tax, that money h...

Chris Leslie | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady knows very well that millions and possibly billions of financial transactions take ...

Jim Cunningham | 564 c802 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the answer to the Minister that Government Members want to protect the bankers? They do no...

Chris Leslie | 564 c803 (Link to this contribution)

It sounds that way. The Government’s reticence to get involved and start engaging is telling. I s...

Graham Stringer | 564 c803 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a much more moderate speech than I expected. He has made some serious lo...

Chris Leslie | 564 cc803-4 (Link to this contribution)

I want to do what we can to persuade New York in particular that including London and its financi...

Baroness Primarolo | 564 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There is now a six-minute limit on contributions, which will leave a few minutes at the en...

William Cash | 564 cc804-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Financial Secretary for his extremely diligent approach to the debate. He has dealt w...

John Redwood | 564 c805 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for highlighting this crucial issue and bringing it to the attention of th...

William Cash | 564 cc805-6 (Link to this contribution)

We have a long way to go, and in fact the journey is becoming longer. I am extremely glad that we...

Barry Gardiner | 564 c806 (Link to this contribution)

GDP is a measure of productivity, but it is not a measure of wealth, and it is not a measure of g...

Stephen Doughty | 564 c806 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some strong points. Does he recall Lord Turner describing some of the ac...

Barry Gardiner | 564 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The public want politicians to get back to focusing on the re...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by referring Members to my declaration of interests and by celebrating the 198th annivers...

Chris Leslie | 564 c808 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman was doing so well, but unfortunately the level of scaremongering undermines hi...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 c808 (Link to this contribution)

There is no case for a financial transaction tax. It would be enormously destructive of this coun...

Stephen Doughty | 564 c808 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a dramatic and scaremongering speech. If the FTT is such a terrible ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 cc808-9 (Link to this contribution)

I seem to remember that 365 economists said that Margaret Thatcher had got it wrong in 1981, but ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 564 c809 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, but I will not, as I have only 45 seconds left, and counting. I have had two extra m...

Michael Connarty | 564 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

I have news for the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mogg). Bill Gates was not an ...

Mark Lazarowicz | 564 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Before my hon. Friend moves on, I want to ask a question related to an international financial tr...

Michael Connarty | 564 cc810-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is part of a separate debate, but I agree that all territories controlled by any of the worl...

Greg Clark | 564 c811 (Link to this contribution)

In the couple of minutes available to me, I will attempt to respond to what has been a spirited d...

Greg Clark | 564 c812 (Link to this contribution)

It was fainter praise than good.

I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Mr C...

Greg Clark | 564 c812 (Link to this contribution)

No, I only have a couple of minutes.

Chris Leslie | 564 c812 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is important that the Minister’s misinterpretation ...

Baroness Primarolo | 564 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Order. That is not a point of order, but a point of debate. Resume your seat, Mr Leslie.

Greg Clark | 564 c812 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker. It will be clear for people to see on the record that this i...

EC documents
16988/1/12;15390/12;6442/13
Back to top