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736 c1187-227

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2010-12

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Scotland Bill. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 21 March 2012
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) seventeenth report on the Scotland Bill.
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1223-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to everyone who has spoken in a very interesting debate. Given the late...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1223 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that I follow that. What about the consistency of Mr Salmond's position? I h...

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Lord Sewel | 736 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I just hoped that there was at least the glimmer and possibility of consistency.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I have not pointed it out personally but, frankly, it is not the best argument for the case that the...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise if I misunderstood the point. I think that the noble Lord, Lord Browne, also m...

Lord Wills | 736 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as an Englishman, I was not going to contribute to this debate. However, having listened t...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is too easy to dismiss the possibility of it happening. It is probably much easier for ...

Lord Sewel | 736 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. I put it to him that the noble Lord, Lord Empey, has spoken for...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that there is a serious issue here. As the noble Lord, Lord Browne, indicated...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c1222 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Minister remembers when this argument was last put forward. On that occasion we...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I represented what the noble Lord said, that that is the point, and that is wh...

Lord Empey | 736 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, the issue for me is not the minutiae of the individual operation of devolution in...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1221 (Link to this contribution) But not in Europe.

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1221 (Link to this contribution) But not in Europe.

Lord Empey | 736 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I was not expecting to resolve it at an EU level. I am asking whether we can try to resolve it at a ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1219-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I do not have the figures for each university institution. One does not r...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1220 (Link to this contribution) That's it. That is the one.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1220 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has indicated which one of the three he favours. I do not think that anyone has actu...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 736 c1220 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble and learned Lord aware that there is no way, under European treaties, that a country ca...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1220 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not going to embark on a lengthy debate on the pros and cons of the European Union. A...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1227 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly do not want to impose on the patience of the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. I mus...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Bill has been treated abominably at all stages. On one occasion all of us sat around ...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 736 c1226-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is good at perorations. I will simply keep to the facts. I had intended tha...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1227 (Link to this contribution) The Government Chief Whip says that I like interventions. It was I who was speaking and she who inte...

Baroness Rawlings | 736 c1226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In doing so, may I te...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to protest at what is being proposed. It is quite ridiculous that on a Bill o...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 736 c1226 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, something has clearly gone wrong in the transmission because I was not aware that my noble...

Lord Gilbert | 736 c1217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I realise that it is normal to intervene towards the end of a Minister's remarks, but I th...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once again, as we did in Committee, we have had a passionate debate. As I think the noble ...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 736 c1218 (Link to this contribution) How many students are likely to benefit from these awards? The noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, has alre...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) I probably share the noble Lord's feelings on this. For that reason, I think it is only right that I...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 736 c1219 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for the breadth of his answer. But he did not actually answer the ques...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1218-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot give the full figures at the moment but the position is that all Scottish univers...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1215 (Link to this contribution) I shall answer my noble friend's question and I hope that he will answer mine. It never came up spec...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1215-6 (Link to this contribution) It is discrimination, but I do not think that a little discrimination is any better than a lot of di...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1216 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if my noble friend could explain why I got a text saying, ““Whip off””.

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1216 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is an experienced Member of this House and has been a Member of other parliaments. I...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1213-4 (Link to this contribution) That is the point: it has got worse. It has got worse now after 11 years and the answer appears to b...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1213 (Link to this contribution) It has got worse.

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1211-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in opening my contribution to this debate, I am tempted to repeat what other Members have ...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 736 c1211 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a predecessor of the noble Lord, Lord Empey, as Minister for Education in Northern Irel...

Lord Empey | 736 c1209-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in many respects it is a pity that the legislation to which this amendment applies this ev...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 736 c1207-9 (Link to this contribution) There seems to be a new Scottish excuse running around. It seems to affect Rangers Football Club, th...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1214-5 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to deal with that point, but I will deal with it directly by responding to my noble frien...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1214 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to argue that ultimately this Parliament can decide anything it wishes in relation to...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1214 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that it has got much worse but the catalyst was a similar action by the coalition Gover...

Lord Morgan | 736 c1202 (Link to this contribution) That was not my experience as vice-chancellor, and I reject that argument. The situation is divisive...

Lord Vallance of Tummel | 736 c1202 (Link to this contribution) Such divisiveness already occurs as regards international students. The only foreign students who ar...

Lord Morgan | 736 c1202 (Link to this contribution) I intervene very briefly, not as a member of the Labour Party but as a former vice-chancellor. The p...

Lord Vallance of Tummel | 736 c1201 (Link to this contribution) I share entirely my noble friend Lord Forsyth's willingness and desire to keep the United Kingdom un...

Lord Selkirk of Douglas | 736 c1203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to ask a question in the context of the amendment. I seem to remember that when the...

Lord Wilson of Tillyorn | 736 c1203 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the noble Lord is saying, but the amendment would change the current way in which ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1203 (Link to this contribution) We are not legislating to alter in any way the devolved responsibilities of the Scottish Parliament....

Lord Wilson of Tillyorn | 736 c1202-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly. I declare an interest as a chancellor of one of the Scottish univers...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1204-5 (Link to this contribution) None of this is simple. The Scottish Parliament came forward with some very practical and pragmatic ...

Lord Sewel | 736 c1203-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps because of my previous interest in Scottish higher education, I have been somewhat...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1205 (Link to this contribution) Did the noble Lord think of looking at what happens in Ireland? Ireland has free tuition fees; stude...

Baroness Brinton | 736 c1205 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may assist my noble friend by reminding the Chamber that the EU advice is about a member s...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1205 (Link to this contribution) I can only repeat that we were given very clear legal advice that that would not be possible. As I u...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c1206 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord assures us that there was interparty discussion within Scotland about these things. W...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1205-6 (Link to this contribution) Based on the legal advice we were given, we had to come forward with a pragmatic solution. That was ...

Lord Sewel | 736 c1207 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has given us a detailed exposition of the funding difficulties. Perhaps he could carr...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord. The answer is that there was not enough intergovernmental discussion be...

Lord Flight | 736 c1207 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that among those English students who are at Scottish universities and who...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1207 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, there would be no effect on the Barnett formula, so the £85 million per year cur...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 736 c1195 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is right about the incident that affected me because in the previous Budget the Chan...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1195 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble friend. I am not arguing that the Barnett funds should not be transfe...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1195-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was pleased to put my name to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. It is not s...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c1196-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the position before us requires a brief summary of how we got to where we are. I see a num...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1192-3 (Link to this contribution) 1A: Before Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Legislative competence: amendment to the 19...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my voice to those who are complaining about the way in which this Bill has been hand...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1193 (Link to this contribution) Has the noble Lord heard the suggestion from the Government's usual channels that if we do not make ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) It is an interesting suggestion and if I thought it was correct I might defer consideration of my am...

Earl of Caithness | 736 c1192 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, could he comment on his final point? If the legislative consent Mo...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1192 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the Scottish Parliament may have something to say about it if it is something that it...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1201 (Link to this contribution) If the Scottish Government had their way and Scotland became independent, they would have to do this...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1201 (Link to this contribution) Surely Amendment 59 deals with the problem that the noble Lord outlined.

Lord Vallance of Tummel | 736 c1201 (Link to this contribution) I am coming to that. For the next academic year and for the years beyond, places have already been o...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 736 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly. It is no secret that I am most unhappy with the fact that we are con...

Lord Vallance of Tummel | 736 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as the chairman of the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland, which as a h...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c1198 (Link to this contribution) Certainly the Scottish universities funding council sets an overall budget which will pay for studen...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1199 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland of Houndwood, for spelling out how we got into what...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c1198 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am prepared to take expert opinion on that. That does not rule out the possibility of th...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1198 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the position that in practice because the Scottish Government set a budget for the number ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1187-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships will remember that last Wednesday I indicated that agreement had been reach...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1189 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder if this would be a good opportunity for the Minister in his reply to inform the H...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1187 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the Report be now received. Lord Forsyth's amendment to the Motion not moved. M...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1187 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 7, leave out Clause 7

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I heard the stringent comments of ...

Lord Sewel | 736 c1191 (Link to this contribution) Of course we do not hold the Minister at all responsible for what happens in the usual channels, but...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 736 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble and learned Lord sits down, perhaps I could associate myself with his ear...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) This almost proves my point. I am sure that these points will be noted and I will indeed draw them t...

Lord Stephen | 736 c1207 (Link to this contribution) I would argue very strongly that the difference is based on the different policy approaches that the...

Baroness Brinton | 736 c1198 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that under Article 24, paragraph 1 of directive 2004, it is not possible ...

Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 736 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I address the amendments that the noble and learned Lord has spoken to, I should pl...

Baroness Deech | 736 c1227 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suggest that the valuable time of the House would be better used by allowing me to have ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1214 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Stephen, made an important point in his speech which I do not think is apprecia...

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