Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 20 March 2012, in the House of Lords.

Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. Lords report stage fifth day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 135).

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

736 c749-906

Session

2010-12

Department

Ministry of Justice

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses
New schedules
Equality of votes

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. As amended in committee.
Wednesday, 15 February 2012
Bills
House of Lords

Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. As amended on report.
Tuesday, 20 March 2012
Bills
House of Lords

Legislative scrutiny: Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee twenty-second report with formal minutes and written evidence.
Tuesday, 13 December 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Constitution Select Committee (HL) twenty-first report on Part 1 of the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill.
Wednesday, 16 November 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord McNally | 736 c847 (Link to this contribution) 154E: Schedule 19, page 247, line 11, leave out paragraph 9 154F: Schedule 19, page 247, line 30, ...

Lord McNally | 736 c846 (Link to this contribution) 154A: Schedule 18, page 245, line 16, leave out ““and 226A”” and insert ““, 226A and 246A”” 154B: ...

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Lord Dholakia | 736 c847 (Link to this contribution) 154MA: Clause 118, page 96, line 11, at end insert— ““(10) The court must specify whether the requis...

Lord McNally | 736 c847 (Link to this contribution) 154M: Clause 118, page 96, line 11, at end insert— ““(10) In subsections (1)(a) and (8), references ...

Lord McNally | 736 c849-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was teased earlier in the day about my Labour and trade union past. One quote that stick...

Lord Dholakia | 736 c847-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clauses 118 and 119 deal with the new extended sentence and release on licence matters. I ...

Lord McNally | 736 c843 (Link to this contribution) 153B: Clause 117, page 93, line 39, leave out ““seriousness”” and insert ““sentence”” 153C: Clause...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) As the House will remember, Clause 117 provides that if a person has been convicted of a listed offe...

Lord McNally | 736 c844-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a concern expressed by some noble Lords in Committee seemed to be that the new mandatory l...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c846 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has not explained how a life sentence in the first amendment could in reali...

Lord Judd | 736 c839 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it takes a good deal of cheek for me, as a lay man, to come in after three speeches like t...

Lord McNally | 736 c843 (Link to this contribution) 153A: Clause 116, Transpose Clause 116 to after Clause 117 Amendment 153A agreed. Clause 117 : Lif...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c841 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not find that response in any way satisfactory. What single reason has the noble Lord...

Lord McNally | 736 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the better argument is that if I accepted the amendment, the Labour Party would, as it has...

Lord Bach | 736 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be very brief because the speeches that have been made set out the case very well in...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c836 (Link to this contribution) 153: Before Clause 116, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to release certain prisoners serving...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c837 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by seeking to degroup Amendment 153 from the other two amendments in the group. A...

Lord McNally | 736 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) 152YH: Schedule 13, page 218, leave out lines 10 and 11 and insert— ““( ) Section 246 (crediting of ...

Lord McNally | 736 c836 (Link to this contribution) 152YKA: Schedule 15, page 222, line 36, leave out ““113”” and insert ““112”” 152YL: Schedule 15, p...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 736 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd. All he wants to do in the amendment, as ...

Lord Pannick | 736 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment so persuasively moved by the noble and learned Lord...

Lord McNally | 736 c834 (Link to this contribution) 152YA: Clause 95, page 74, line 2, leave out ““the United Kingdom”” and insert ““England and Wales””...

Lord McNally | 736 c834 (Link to this contribution) 152Y: Clause 94, page 73, line 7, leave out ““the United Kingdom”” and insert ““England and Wales”” ...

Lord McNally | 736 c835 (Link to this contribution) 152YE: Clause 101, page 77, line 42, leave out ““(and see section 89(8))”” 152YF: Clause 101, page...

Lord McNally | 736 c835 (Link to this contribution) 152YB: Schedule 12, page 212, line 26, leave out ““the United Kingdom”” and insert ““England and Wal...

Lord McNally | 736 c833 (Link to this contribution) 152Q: Clause 89, page 68, line 38, leave out ““the United Kingdom”” and insert ““England and Wales””...

Lord McNally | 736 c834 (Link to this contribution) 152S: Clause 90, page 69, line 33, leave out ““87(1)”” and insert ““87(1) or (5)”” Amendment 152S a...

Lord McNally | 736 c834 (Link to this contribution) 152T: Clause 93, page 71, line 44, leave out from ““while”” to ““, and”” in line 45 and insert ““sub...

Lord McNally | 736 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether one reason why the Magistrates' Association found itself alone on this is that most...

Lord McNally | 736 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) 152E: Schedule 11, page 206, line 3, leave out ““the United Kingdom”” and insert ““England and Wales...

Lord McNally | 736 c833 (Link to this contribution) 152K: Clause 88, page 67, line 44, leave out sub-paragraphs (i) to (iii) and insert ““on bail or sub...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 736 c829-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments would remove the Government's proposed amendments to the Bail Act...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 736 c829 (Link to this contribution) 152DA: Schedule 11, page 205, leave out lines 1 to 5

Lord McNally | 736 c828 (Link to this contribution) I am very willing to meet. The noble Lord knows how much I value his experience, expertise and commi...

Lord McNally | 736 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) I said that if I knew then—let me get back to the speech. The noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham and the no...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I expected that response. However, I remind the Minister that I have worked in Whitehall f...

Lord McNally | 736 c826 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we keep coming round to these amendments from the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. As he said,...

Lord Beecham | 736 c826 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord want to revert to membership of the young socialists a little bit?

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 736 c825 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I sit as a magistrate in both the youth and adult courts, I make one simple point. In t...

Lord Beecham | 736 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, has identified very clearly the nature of the problem and...

Lord McNally | 736 c850-3 (Link to this contribution) 154Q: Schedule 20, page 250, line 5, leave out paragraph 4 and insert— ““4 (1) Section 35A of the Ro...

Lord McNally | 736 c850 (Link to this contribution) 154P: Clause 118, page 97, line 1, leave out subsection (2) Amendment 154P agreed. Schedule 20 : N...

Lord McNally | 736 c850 (Link to this contribution) 154N: Clause 118, page 96, line 45, at end insert— ““(8) In subsections (1)(a) and (6), references t...

Lord Dholakia | 736 c850 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his explanation. I am delighted with the information he has given...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c858 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the Minister for his explanation. I simply say to the noble Lord, L...

Lord McNally | 736 c858 (Link to this contribution) 154YV: Clause 120, page 98, line 46, at end insert ““(including one imposed as a result of section 2...

Baroness Gale | 736 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) 155: After Clause 120, insert the following new Clause— ““Disclosure of information about conviction...

Baroness Gale | 736 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to speak to the amendments in my name, even at this late hour. In Committee o...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c858 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that I should reply first. The Minister's response was encouraging. He said that...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c863 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall again be brief, because we had a good discussion on this in Committee. I was very ...

Baroness Hamwee | 736 c860-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry that I was unable to take part in the debate in Committee. The noble Baroness ...

Baroness Northover | 736 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we debated these amendments in Committee my noble friend Lord McNally was able to tel...

Baroness Gale | 736 c862 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her reply and the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for her contribution to this...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c862-3 (Link to this contribution) 156A: After Clause 121, insert the following new Clause— ““Benefits payments to prisoners (1) Regula...

Lord Sharkey | 736 c871 (Link to this contribution) 156C: After Clause 131, insert the following new Clause— ““Rehabilitation of offenders: equality of ...

Lord Sharkey | 736 c872-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly to this amendment. As your Lordships will recall, there is a provisio...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. Just to correct her, I had no intention of d...

Baroness Northover | 736 c866-71 (Link to this contribution) 156B: Before Schedule 22, insert the following new Schedule— ““Dangerous offenders subject to servic...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 736 c864 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, for continuing to bring this issue forward. It is...

Baroness Northover | 736 c864-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, for continuing to examine the practical dif...

Lord Sharkey | 736 c873-4 (Link to this contribution) I must say that I am extremely disappointed by that response. I would also point out to my noble fri...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 736 c874 (Link to this contribution) 156D: Before Clause 134, insert the following new Clause— ““Amendment to the Scrap Metal Dealers Act...

Lord Bach | 736 c873 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from the opposition Front Bench I thank the noble Lord for the impressive way in which he ...

Baroness Northover | 736 c873 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank my noble friend Lord Sharkey for putting his case, and indeed I have deep sy...

Lord McNally | 736 c854 (Link to this contribution) 154YT: Before Clause 120, insert the following new Clause— ““Dangerous offenders subject to service ...

Lord McNally | 736 c853 (Link to this contribution) 154YG: After Clause 119, insert the following new Clause— ““Sections 116, 118 and 119: consequential...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c855 (Link to this contribution) 154YUA: Clause 120, line 9, at end insert— ““( ) The Secretary of State shall report to both Houses ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c855-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 154YUA would add the need for reports to the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsb...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c854 (Link to this contribution) 154YU: Clause 120, page 98, line 43, at end insert— ““( ) The Secretary of State shall— ( ) delegate...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c854-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be as brief as I can. Overcrowding, as we all know, is the scourge of imprisonment...

Lord Beecham | 736 c856 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Thomas. He identifies a useful...

Lord McNally | 736 c856-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we return to the issue of dealing with IPP prisoners. I must say to the noble Lord, Lord B...

Lord Bach | 736 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad to have the support of the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott. But one of the principles of t...

Baroness Hamwee | 736 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to support my noble friend as well. I share her concerns about criminalisatio...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c891 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in some circumstances I might have hesitated to support the amendments that have been tabl...

Lord Bach | 736 c892 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, on raising yet again this completely unnec...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c888 (Link to this contribution) 157A: Clause 136, page 121, line 41, at end insert ““or if the building has been empty for twelve mo...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 736 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this fascinating debate. It is sa...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 736 c889-91 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have added my name in support of the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the House will find it convenient if we discuss all the amendments relating...

Baroness Northover | 736 c893 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord McNally has explained in previous debates why Clause 136 is important...

Lord Bach | 736 c893 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness so early in her comments, but it is a crime. Th...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying the fact that it is still open. Therefore, it is free f...

Baroness Northover | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that having left it open it is still open.

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) Can she give me an assurance that it will be possible to come back on this at Third Reading on the b...

Baroness Northover | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) As I said to the noble Baroness, I am very happy to arrange a meeting to take this forward. Then we ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that suggestion. Is she saying that the issue is still live and ca...

Baroness Northover | 736 c896 (Link to this contribution) I had a long list of other measures that have been taken, but I thought that the best thing might be...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c895-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have not only stayed but spoken so passionately that it makes ...

Baroness Northover | 736 c893-5 (Link to this contribution) I will come to that in a minute. As I say, occupation of other people's homes causes misery, and squ...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c897 (Link to this contribution) I would be pleased to ask her again, because it is very important before I make a decision on what t...

Baroness Northover | 736 c897 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend says that we have discussed the possibility of meeting and considering this further....

Lord Bach | 736 c896-7 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that is quite what the Minister said. She said that it was open—I do not think t...

Baroness Browning | 736 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for the explanation that he has given to the whole House, pa...

Lord Henley | 736 c879 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, they are not going to be shoving it into a container. This is, as it were, the rag ...

Lord Chartres | 736 c880 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful indeed for the way in which the Minister, in particular, and the Govern...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 736 c874-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been quite a long journey. I first asked an Oral Question on 3 October last year,...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 736 c877 (Link to this contribution) The story in the Commons is that the Government are saying that that subsequent legislation will be ...

Lord Henley | 736 c876-7 (Link to this contribution) It might be useful if I intervene at this stage. In doing so, I want to make it quite clear that I h...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 736 c878 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister confirm that even under his amendment itinerants can still have scrapyards of their...

Lord Henley | 736 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not believe all stories that I hear, either in this House or in another place. I was ...

Lord Berkeley | 736 c879 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify Section 3(1)(a) of the Scrap Metal Dealers Act 1964? It seems a bit odd tha...

Lord Henley | 736 c878 (Link to this contribution) I shall come on to the question of itinerants in due course. It is something addressed by Amendment ...

Baroness Hamwee | 736 c887 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not expect my noble friend to be able to help me with regard to future legislation. ...

Lord Henley | 736 c886 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot give the noble Lord that figure without notice. I have no idea. I imagine that it...

Baroness Hamwee | 736 c884 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not take the time of the House by sharing anecdotes and expressing gratitude; all t...

Lord Roberts of Conwy | 736 c882-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am as appalled and as horrified as anyone at the heartless, dangerous and very costly sp...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 736 c880-2 (Link to this contribution) The House is indebted to my noble friend Lord Faulkner of Worcester for tabling this amendment becau...

Lord Berkeley | 736 c886 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord say how many there are? He says that there are very few, but is it 10, 100 or 1,0...

Lord Henley | 736 c886 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have made it quite clear that we are going to review it. We are going to keep this unde...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 736 c886 (Link to this contribution) The Minister seeks to reassure us, but what happens if over the next few years there is a noticeable...

Lord Henley | 736 c884-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may sum up the debate and address some of the points. Earlier I paid tribute to ...

Lord Henley | 736 c887 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these provisions will come into effect soon after Royal Assent, but I will check up on tha...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c756 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, drawing on his long experience, can the noble Lord tell us when referral fees first reared...

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c759 (Link to this contribution) 145A: Clause 54, page 39, line 33, at end insert ““, or (c) arranges for another person to provide, ...

Lord Beecham | 736 c756 (Link to this contribution) To the best of my recollection, they have appeared in the past 10 to 12 years. I have not myself bee...

Lord Beecham | 736 c760 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely support the amendment. The noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, is right that this p...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c753 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a member of Unite. The noble Baroness, Lady Deech, was good enough to say t...

Baroness Deech | 736 c753 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should have declared an interest as chairman of the Bar Standards Board, which prohibits...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 736 c753 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the line taken by our Front Bench. Without any question, there are risks with re...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c753 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall intervene briefly. I declare an interest in that a firm in which I was a partner h...

Lord McNally | 736 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this proposal is not in any way union bashing and I am sorry that it has been caught up li...

Lord Beecham | 736 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me make it clear that I do not for a moment charge the Minister—or indeed the Governme...

Lord Monks | 736 c752 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend in this amendment. Referral fees are one aspect of the Bill that...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c752 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in my youth I appeared for insurers and unions, and I did not pay anybody to get those cas...

Lord Goodhart | 736 c752 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree entirely with what the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, has just said. Referral fees ha...

Baroness Deech | 736 c751-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will try not to repeat myself, because I spoke about referral fees last week. Briefly, ...

Lord Beecham | 736 c749-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there has been widespread condemnation outside the House, and unanimous condemnation insid...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c773 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my wholehearted support to what the noble Baroness, Lady Corston, and everyone else ...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 736 c773 (Link to this contribution) I rise even more briefly to support the amendment. I do not know of a single lawyer, prosecutor, jud...

Lord Warner | 736 c773 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for missing the beginning of this debate, but I was caught on the hop by the s...

Baroness Gale | 736 c774-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join noble Lords all round the House in supporting the amendment. There has been not one...

Baroness Stern | 736 c771-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment does not ask for much. It is indeed modesty itself. It asks for a focus, a ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 736 c772-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, welcome this proposal. All of us have been talking about this area for so long, it...

Lord Dholakia | 736 c768-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I first put on record my thanks to the Minister, my noble friend Lord McNally, for a n...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c767-8 (Link to this contribution) In Committee, we had two separate amendments on this issue which was, in a way, a commentary on the ...

Lord Wigley | 736 c770-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Corston, which will see the esta...

Baroness Corston | 736 c764-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to move this amendment. I acknowledge and am grateful for the support of...

Lord Judd | 736 c766-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very glad to have this opportunity to support my noble friend. I had the privilege of...

Lord Pannick | 736 c764 (Link to this contribution) I renew my thanks to the Minister. He is absolutely right; those advising him did indeed improve the...

Baroness Corston | 736 c764 (Link to this contribution) 151AZA: Before Clause 60, insert the following new Clause— ““CHAPTER A1 Women's Criminal Justice Pol...

Lord McNally | 736 c763-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will explain. The original amendment by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, did not cut the mu...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c763 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support every word of the introduction by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, of this...

Lord Pannick | 736 c762-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is less controversial than some that your Lordships have been debating on R...

Lord Pannick | 736 c762 (Link to this contribution) 151: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clause— ““Pro bono representation Payments in respect...

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c761-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. It very much falls into two parts, as far as I can se...

Lord McNally | 736 c760-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment looks to deal with the serious problem of unsolicited marketing, including ...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c781 (Link to this contribution) 151A: Before Clause 60, insert the following new Clause— ““Awareness of sentencing options (1) The L...

Baroness Corston | 736 c777-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords on all sides of the House who have spoken in support of this ...

Lord McNally | 736 c775-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Corston, said that she had discovered over the years that she had...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c789-90 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, my Lords—you must be getting very bored with the sound of my voice. I move on briefly to...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c788 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot thank everybody who has contributed to this debate warmly enough. It debate has r...

Lord Beecham | 736 c786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a signatory to the amendment, I am pleased to say that the Opposition is more than happ...

Baroness Northover | 736 c787-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment returns to issues raised by my noble friend Lady Linklater in Committee. I ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 736 c786 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater. I agree with everything s...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 736 c786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. The noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, knows so much about the proba...

Lord Judd | 736 c784-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very glad to support this amendment. The noble Baroness speaks with real experience b...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c785-6 (Link to this contribution) I was very glad to put my name to this amendment. As always, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Ba...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c781-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 151A I shall speak also to Amendment 151B, with which it is grouped. ...

Lord Avebury | 736 c791 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what alternatives to imprisonment are being considered to punish the persistent non-paymen...

Baroness Northover | 736 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 151B, moved by my noble friend Lady Linklater, relates to the imposition of shor...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c791 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for answering my short remarks. I will go away to listen and think a little ...

Baroness Northover | 736 c791 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for those points, and will write to him with details on them. He may wish to...

Baroness Northover | 736 c791-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I turn to a group of government amendments that concern three areas. I will deal first wit...

Baroness Northover | 736 c791 (Link to this contribution) 152ZA: Clause 61, page 44, leave out lines 20 to 24 and insert— ““( ) Criminal Procedure Rules may— ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c796 (Link to this contribution) Having read the amendment as drafted, I was confused as to whether the mistake was a technical mista...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 736 c794-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Minister has explained, Amendment 152BYH is in response to an amendment I tabled in...

Baroness Northover | 736 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been another useful debate. I welcome the support of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbot...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c796-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in support of government Amendment 152ZA and also speak on behalf of my noble frie...

Lord McNally | 736 c799 (Link to this contribution) 152ZB: Schedule 9, page 199, line 19, leave out paragraph 20

Baroness Northover | 736 c798 (Link to this contribution) I understand the noble Baroness's point. I was trying to indicate that a number of organisations are...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 736 c798 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I got the impression that the Minister was saying that outside organisations should do the...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c802-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have some amendments in this group, but of course I am absolutely delighted that the Gov...

Baroness Northover | 736 c800-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very important social issue. I do not think that anyone in the House disputes th...

Baroness Northover | 736 c800 (Link to this contribution) 152ZC: Clause 71, page 53, line 12, at end insert— ““(3) In section 223(3) of that Act (power to ame...

Lord McNally | 736 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of government amendments contains a number of minor and technical amendments to...

Baroness Newlove | 736 c806 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not go on for too long because others have covered the issue. I welcome the Governm...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 736 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the Government's statement. I am one of those who have been on this journey since we...

Lord Woolf | 736 c812 (Link to this contribution) 152BZZA: After Clause 72, Insert the following new Clause— ““To add restorative justice to the statu...

Baroness Northover | 736 c810-12 (Link to this contribution) 152ZD: Clause 72, page 53, line 16, at end insert— ““(2) In section 223(3) of that Act (power to ame...

Lord Dholakia | 736 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from our debates in Committee that there is agreement in all parts of the Hous...

Lord Woolf | 736 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 152BZZA, 152BZZB and 152BZZC all deal with restorative justice. Restorative jus...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 736 c807 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be exceptionally brief. Like my namesake, the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Alverthor...

Lord Avebury | 736 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also want to echo the warm congratulations which have been expressed to the noble Barone...

Baroness Northover | 736 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, and my noble friend Lady Browning for their incre...

Lord Beecham | 736 c815 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the amendment moved by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf. We are e...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c815 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf. There was an extremely u...

Baroness Northover | 736 c815-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, and my noble friend Lord Dho...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c822-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in an earlier debate today the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, said that the two most vuln...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) 152BYK: After Clause 83, insert the following new Clause— ““CHAPTER 1A Young adult offenders strateg...

Lord McNally | 736 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) 152BYF: Clause 82, page 64, line 8, leave out ““higher sums”” 152BYG: Clause 82, page 64, line 10,...

Lord McNally | 736 c819 (Link to this contribution) 152BX: Clause 81, page 63, line 10, leave out ““a higher”” and insert ““an”” 152BY: Clause 81, pag...

Lord McNally | 736 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) 152BA: Clause 80, page 61, line 29, after ““Where”” insert ““, on the commencement day,”” 152BB: C...

Lord McNally | 736 c818 (Link to this contribution) 152BZA: Clause 75, page 58, line 24, leave out subsection (10) Amendment 152BZA agreed. Clause 80 ...

Lord McNally | 736 c818 (Link to this contribution) 152BZZD: Clause 73, Page 53, line 25, after ““requirement)”” insert ““or (ja) (an alcohol abstinence...

Lord Woolf | 736 c817 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that response and express my gratitude to others who have expressed s...

Lord Judd | 736 c824 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in supporting this amendment, briefly, I very much agree with what the noble Lord has just...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 736 c824 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, has outlined as a beginning is a very important thou...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c824-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise very briefly to endorse every word that the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, has said. ...

Lord McNally | 736 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at this hour of the night I would like to move these government amendments formally but I ...

Lord McNally | 736 c900 (Link to this contribution) 159: Clause 138, page 123, line 23, at beginning insert ““this Act or””

Lord McNally | 736 c901 (Link to this contribution) 159A: Clause 140, page 123, line 34, leave out ““subsection (2)”” and insert ““subsections (1A) to (...

Lord McNally | 736 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) 157F: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause— ““Scrap metal dealing: increase in penaltie...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 736 c897 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. I suspect that that is as far as we can go this evening. I have to...

Lord McNally | 736 c900 (Link to this contribution) 157J: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause— ““Review of offence of buying scrap metal f...

Lord McNally | 736 c898-900 (Link to this contribution) 157G: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause— ““Offence of buying scrap metal for cash et...

Lord McNally | 736 c901 (Link to this contribution) 160A: Clause 140, page 123, line 35, at end insert— ““(2A) This section does not apply to section (A...

Lord McNally | 736 c901-2 (Link to this contribution) 161A: Clause 141, page 124, line 4, leave out subsections (1) and (2) and insert— ““(1) Parts 1 to 3...

Lord McNally | 736 c902 (Link to this contribution) 161C: Clause 142, page 124, line 32, at end insert— ““( ) The powers conferred by sections 177, 178 ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c902 (Link to this contribution) 162: Clause 143, page 124, line 40, leave out ““and Punishment”” and insert ““, Punishment and Rehab...

Lord McNally | 736 c905 (Link to this contribution) 163: In the Title, line 5, after ““otherwise;”” insert ““to make provision about the collection of f...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c904-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the Minister, I have to salute and move on. I am very glad for what he said about the...

Lord McNally | 736 c904 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been wondering whether I dare quote poetry at this hour, but I think noble Lords de...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 736 c903-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much support this amendment and have put my name to it. It is a great shame that we...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c902-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unfortunately I saw the groupings list yesterday too late, because of the memorable events...

Lord McNally | 736 c853-4 (Link to this contribution) 154YH: Schedule 21, page 252, line 18, leave out paragraph 2 and insert— ““2 (1) Section 237 (meanin...

Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 736 c892 (Link to this contribution) They did.

Lord Berkeley | 736 c884 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Faulkner on taking this matter forward with so much pr...

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I declare my membership of the Law Society. As we have discussed both in Committee ...

Lord Bach | 736 c763 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, from these Benches. I thank him very much fo...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 736 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) 151B: Before Clause 60, insert the following new Clause— ““Short prison sentences A court may not pa...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c843 (Link to this contribution) 154: Clause 117, leave out Clause 117

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 736 c832 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. I make the point that the Magistrates' Association and every...

Lord Bach | 736 c831 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will comment briefly. My noble friend Lord Ponsonby made a good point. The question is w...

Lord Ramsbotham | 736 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. In no way am I seeking to interfere; I am merely seeking to ens...

Lord McNally | 736 c853 (Link to this contribution) 154YE: Clause 119, page 97, line 18, leave out ““Part 1”” and insert ““Parts 1 to 3”” 154YF: Claus...

Lord Beecham | 736 c749 (Link to this contribution) 144A: Clause 54, page 39, line 29, at end insert ““and in either case, the regulated person and the ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 736 c771 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make a very brief point in support of my noble friend Lady Corston. She talked a...

Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 736 c769-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may crave the indulgence of the House; I was not here for the start of the debat...

Baroness Browning | 736 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, warmly welcome the alcohol abstinence and monitoring requirement that the Governme...

Lord Beecham | 736 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure what the correct collective noun is for a group of persuasive Baronesses, bu...

Subjects

Children

Disclosure of information

Criminal records

Alcoholic drinks

Bail

Administration of justice

Armed forces

Crimes of violence

Advertising

Debt collection

Women

Hospitals

Finance

Fees and charges

Homosexuality

Electronic tagging

Legal aid scheme

Domestic abuse

Drugs

Fines

Empty property

Homelessness

Knives

Offenders

NHS

Parole

Prisoners

Political parties

Misuse

Offensive weapons

Monitoring

Life imprisonment

Magistrates

Marketing

Prisoners' release

Probation

Prison sentences

National Offender Management Service

Metals

Social security benefits

Rehabilitation

Sentencing

Young people

Trade unions

Victims

Theft

Solicitors

Squatting

Ministry of Justice

Suspended sentences

Community orders

Youth custody

Legislation

Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill 2010-12

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