Welfare Reform Bill. Lords report stage first day.
Welfare Reform Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
733 c1000-25, 1044-71, 1086-104
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support Amendments 1 and 2 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher—who d...
Baroness D'Souza | 733 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that the noble Baroness is discussing Amendment 1 in Clause 7.
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Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1000-4 (Link to this contribution)
I beg your Lordships’ pardon. I am speaking to Amendment 2, but also to Amendment 1, even though it ...
Bishop of Leicester | 733 c1004 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a privilege to speak in support of the noble Baroness’s amendment. Her evident maste...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1004 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may clarify precisely what it is that we are debating. I believe that my noble f...
Lord Freud | 733 c1004 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I understand it, Amendment 1 has not been moved, but Amendment 2 has. I think that the ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want an endless wrangle on this. I think that that is being a little tough on the...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend on this. Some of the difficulty may have been caused by the noble Baroness...
Lord Wigley | 733 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was under the impression that when the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, got to her feet to s...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1060-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am moving this amendment precisely because I strongly support universal credit. If the H...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c1062-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be brief because I know that the House wants to get on. I am a supporter of the un...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1063-4 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, on the importance of including council t...
Lord German | 733 c1064-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not intend to turn my back on what I said in Committee; in fact, I intend to repeat s...
Baroness Grey-Thompson | 733 c1056-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response and I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1060 (Link to this contribution)
5: Clause 8, page 4, line 9, after ““costs)”” insert ““and council tax benefit””
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we support this amendment, and consider, as my noble friend Baroness Hollis does, that cou...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c1065 (Link to this contribution)
He welcomed it.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1065-7 (Link to this contribution)
Very good. Of course, this issue is having to be considered, as has been said, against the backdrop ...
Baroness Wilkins | 733 c1050 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support the amendment and urge all noble Lords to do so. Are we really becoming...
Lord Wigley | 733 c1049 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Grey-Thompson, which has been eloquent...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 733 c1051 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the views that have been expressed today. They were not as clearly enunciated in...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 733 c1050-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it would be impossible to have served, as I have for a number of years, as party spokesper...
Baroness Sherlock | 733 c1052 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will detain the House only very briefly, but I feel I should say a word of support, havi...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1051 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. I have been reading in newspapers lately that parents of d...
Baroness Grey-Thompson | 733 c1044-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment would ensure that the disability additions for children provided under the ...
Baroness Grey-Thompson | 733 c1044 (Link to this contribution)
4: Clause 8, page 4, line 8, at end insert—
““(ba) any amount of support for disabled children inclu...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 733 c1048-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke to a similar amendment to this in Grand Committee, but it was grouped with various...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 733 c1047-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to put my name to the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Grey-Thompson. Losi...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord again, but is it not right that that equation only follows if...
Lord Freud | 733 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
As we move people on to the universal credit and take people off the other systems we will be gradua...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Lord say by when he expects to have moved to that figure of £77 for adults?
Lord Freud | 733 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
No, clearly there is an erosion factor. Cash protection does not also inflate it. But the point abou...
Lord Freud | 733 c1056 (Link to this contribution)
That is the envelope in which we are operating. If I could find £200 million more to add to that env...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1052-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we support Amendment 4, so comprehensively moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Grey-Thompson...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may ask the noble Lord about cash protection. Does that mean it will or will not be inflat...
Lord Freud | 733 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
Yes I do, and I will come back to that if I may, because a whole series of questions was raised abou...
Lord Wigley | 733 c1055 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has acknowledged that whereas some will benefit from other sources of money and that th...
Lord Freud | 733 c1053-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I appreciate absolutely the intention behind the amendment, which is to protect the amount...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 733 c1010-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, was a Member of the Grand Committee considering this issue, and I apologise to the...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 733 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, have sat right the way through Committee and have been very persuaded that some fa...
Baroness Sherlock | 733 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a couple of brief points to add. One is addressed to the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton....
Lord Ramsbotham | 733 c1012 (Link to this contribution)
I too apologise for not being here at the start. I just ask the Minister to reflect on the words of ...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 733 c1007-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, all those who participated in the deliberations of the Grand Committee will regard it as a...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1005-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that I owe a rather large apology to the House. I seem to have caused complete con...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 733 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am a relative newcomer to this debate but I should like to pick up one point made by the...
Lord Wigley | 733 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we delved into this issue in quite considerable depth in Committee, and I do not want to r...
Lord De Mauley | 733 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that there is a feeling around the House that the House would like to debate Amend...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1021-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords on all sides of the House who have contributed to this debate—the ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
We understand the enthusiasm that the noble Lord brings to this project and I think that we accept t...
Lord Freud | 733 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the House that where people cannot handle monthly budgeting, we will have arrangements to h...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1020 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said that payments can be made more frequently. Will he assure the House that payment...
Lord Freud | 733 c1018-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments intend to provide for universal credit to be paid twice a month or, in Am...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1016-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I thank the government French Bench for facilitating the debate on these three amen...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know whether the Minister wants to give guidance on that point or to take it up l...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 733 c1015 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I reassure the government Chief Whip that I intend to speak no more on Report than I did i...
Lord German | 733 c1013-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am always staggered to find out more about my noble friend Lord Kirkwood. In Committee w...
Lord Freud | 733 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I do not have any more precise detail but, although I do not think that in the cons...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps the noble Lord would reiterate a point. I thought I heard him say that a Bill for ...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
6: Clause 8, page 4, line 11, at end insert—
““Such amounts are to include an amount of earnings to ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1068 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank everyone who has taken part in this brief expedited debate. I beg your Lordships o...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1090-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know that the whole House recognises the important contribution that carers make, and th...
Lord Freud | 733 c1092 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we take the position of carers very seriously and, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, poi...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c1086-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment seeks to make the lot of carers in our society, whose lives are often alrea...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 733 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment, to which my name is also attached. Because of the scheduling of ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 733 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
I hope noble Lords will forgive me; I was a few minutes late in coming in, so I missed a little bit ...
Baroness Bakewell | 733 c1093-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I have only one or two points to make. The noble Lo...
Lord Freud | 733 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
This is not directly a money matter; it is about the structure and the simplicity of the system. Whe...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord has no idea of how many people are involved, but thinks that the number is less th...
Lord Freud | 733 c1092-3 (Link to this contribution)
Finding money is a black art. I need say no more. If I were to reveal any more, it would just reboun...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1096-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I propose to speak briefly in support of Amendments 7 and 11 as my noble friend is a renow...
Lord Freud | 733 c1098-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 7 would take a power to disregard the full amount of any pension contributions f...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
7: Clause 8, page 4, line 18, at end insert—
““( ) Regulations may specify that the pension contribu...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1094-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 11 as well. Amendment 7 would allow pension contributions made ...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1100 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I do not think that I am supposed to say that any mor...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1100 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry. I thought that the Minister said that they would save £200 million from this change.
Lord Freud | 733 c1100 (Link to this contribution)
If I could just clarify this for the noble Baroness, £200 million is the extra cost of doing this, n...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution)
I will have to go back and check on the figures. None the less, there will be a saving from this whi...
Lord Freud | 733 c1100 (Link to this contribution)
No, no, my Lords, I said that the cost of this amendment would be an extra £200 million.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1101-2 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment raises the question of the amount of capital that will be taken into account when cal...
Lord Freud | 733 c1102-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 8 would require different tariff incomes to be set against the capital of people...
Lord Freud | 733 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
I should have known I would never be ahead of the IFS; I apologise to it.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1104 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the Minister’s response. It really reiterated what he said in Committee: this is an iss...
Lord Freud | 733 c1067-8 (Link to this contribution)
Beware Greeks. My Lords, noble Lords will be aware from previous debates that we are proposing to ab...
Lord Freud | 733 c1021 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a technical issue about the level at which people choose and the extent to which w...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not going to add to the very powerful case that has already been made by my noble fri...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 733 c1092 (Link to this contribution)
I am terribly grateful to the Minister. Could he tell us where he found the money?
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1101 (Link to this contribution)
8: Clause 8, page 4, line 21, at end insert—
““(5) Regulations are to specify the amount of tariff i...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1103 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I should just say that it was not the IFS ...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
1: Clause 7, page 3, line 32, at end insert—
““( ) Regulations must make provision for claimants to ...
Notes
In Division No. 1 the Earl of Liverpool should be included in the list of those voting Not Content in place of the Earl of Listowel.
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