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Welfare Reform Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 10 November 2011, in the House of Lords.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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732 c89-148GC 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Related items
Welfare Reform Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 75-EN also published.
Thursday, 16 June 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Seventeenth report on: Armed Forces Bill; Welfare Reform Bill; Scotland Bill; Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill - Government response. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Freud | 732 c112-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will pick up on those points. I am grateful that the noble Baroness said that she welcom...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c113GC (Link to this contribution) 86ZZZB: Clause 69, page 53, line 20, at end insert ““providing these amounts are ring-fenced for the...

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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c132-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have added our names to Amendments 86ZZZB, 86ZZZC and 86ZZZD and we support the other a...
Lord Freud | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) At the end of this year, we are expecting it to come down to £60 million.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain where the figure of £36 million comes from? The 2009-10 figure for crisis ...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) That is twice what you are projecting handing over.
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c137GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I, too, may ask a question on the crisis loan budget. As I understand it, at prese...
Lord Freud | 732 c139GC (Link to this contribution) As I was trying to explain, the upper-tier authorities will then design their services in different ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c139GC (Link to this contribution) I simply do not understand that answer. It will go to upper-tier authorities: then what?
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c140GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a district council function, not a county council one. When half the local authori...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c146GC (Link to this contribution) In that case, I look forward to this letter. I particularly look forward to the list of statutory du...
Lord Freud | 732 c100GC (Link to this contribution) On working in school hours, it is quite clear that the working includes the travelling time. It is i...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 732 c89GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I invite the Minister to comment on the way that I construe the clause, which is that it i...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we gave notice of our intention to oppose the Question that Clause 74 stand part of the Bi...
Lord Freud | 732 c103GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, the noble Baroness is way ahead of us, as usual, as we structure how we do the universal credit...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c102-3GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you, I am very grateful for that. If I understand the Minister rightly, that means that throug...
Lord Freud | 732 c103GC (Link to this contribution) Let me just try to pin down the point on transitions and whether people should be in work. There is ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to hear that. In order to dot the ““i””s and cross the ““t””s, could the noble Lo...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c101-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister replies, can I say that I am very disappointed to hear that lone paren...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that clarification, if not for the answer, which I am very disappointed w...
Lord Freud | 732 c102GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the first question on whether the child happens not to be in school on their fifth birt...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c102GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, could I also ask a question, which is to turn the comments and questions made by the noble...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c101GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am so sorry, but I must be expressing myself badly. I am assuming that childcare is avai...
Lord Freud | 732 c101GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, the picture the noble Baroness draws is correct. If a job is available and there is a...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c103GC (Link to this contribution) I will not trade research, but I think it would be helpful to come back to this on Report. I just wa...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c104GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that. The fact is that the noble Lord is not trying to make people want to wo...
Lord Freud | 732 c103-4GC (Link to this contribution) The point that the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, makes is an incredibly complicated and central one...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c108GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the last Conservative Party conference the right honourable Iain Duncan Smith talked ab...
Lord Freud | 732 c108-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 59 repeals provisions introduced by Section 11 of and Schedule 3 to the Welfare Ref...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 732 c109GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the noble Lord when is ““early next year””. I know that he like dates. I had under...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c104GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could reinforce a point. We know from all the research, going beyond Jane Millar right bac...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c104-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that this started off as a relatively straightforward debate, but I am delighted...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c105-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is by way of a serious probe to understand the Government’s plans and their progress ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 732 c106-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will add a few more words on the 2010 drugs strategy. I very much welcome its view that ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that and I think that this deals satisfactorily with the purpose o...
Lord Freud | 732 c111GC (Link to this contribution) To take the first question, we already have amended the regulations. We did that from 28 March 2011,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I should say that the purpose of raising this issue was not to mourn ...
Lord Freud | 732 c109-11GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I like to be able to flesh out these adverbs—no, they are not adverbs. My grammar is sligh...
Lord Freud | 732 c113GC (Link to this contribution) 76D: Clause 64, page 51, line 17, leave out ““figure of £89.35”” and insert ““monetary amount specif...
Lord Freud | 732 c113GC (Link to this contribution) 78: Clause 68, page 52, line 36, at end insert— ““( ) In section 176(1) of that Act (Parliamentary c...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 732 c112GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for introducing the amendment, which will remove the significance of ...
Lord Freud | 732 c111GC (Link to this contribution) 76C: Clause 64, page 51, line 16, leave out ““figure of £145.80”” and insert ““monetary amount speci...
Lord Freud | 732 c112GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is purely a minor technical amendment to remove references to specific maximum amount...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 732 c119-23GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow my colleague, who, like me, at the time, was fulminating agains...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c113-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords of a certain age and with long memories—particularly the noble Lord, Lord Newt...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the call by the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, and the noble Lord,...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c123-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there has always been a tension within social security, as David Donnison spelled out many...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 732 c127GC (Link to this contribution) I have very little to add to what has been said by a number of speakers this afternoon because they ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 732 c127-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an unexpected, generic intervention. Although the Committee seems to be making rea...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c128-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to lower the tone after that marvellous exposition by St Sebastian—by the noble...
Lord German | 732 c129-31GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall add some further questions about process. I shall not to go over the same ground t...
Lord Skelmersdale | 732 c132GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many years ago when my noble friend Lord Brooke was my temporary boss in Northern Ireland,...
Lord Freud | 732 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the current discretionary Social Fund is clearly in need of reform, as several noble Lords...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister obviously has access to in-year figures, which we do not. If he were to project forward...
Lord Freud | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord looks at page 11 of the government response document, it shows that the tripling w...
Lord Freud | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) There is a downward trajectory, and the measures that we are putting into effect do not reflect that...
Lord Freud | 732 c137GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that I got the point of the question. Would the noble Baroness—?
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c137GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, by all means. Crisis loans are for general living expenses. There is therefore a close connecti...
Lord Freud | 732 c137GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the straightforward answer is that currently we are not seeing that alignment, based on th...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c136GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister. I just wanted to be sure that I had understood, for the record, ...
Lord Freud | 732 c136-7GC (Link to this contribution) I will make it absolutely clear that this is not a halving on an annualised basis when one considers...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c137GC (Link to this contribution) I note the Minister’s figures—which startled me—about what he thinks will happen to the crisis loan ...
Lord Freud | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) In the case of disasters, other measures would be introduced. This will not be a core methodology to...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) I raise this to ask not so much about housing but about people's white goods and furniture that may ...
Lord Freud | 732 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution) As I say, that is not a major use of the fund. Clearly, the local authority with its housing obligat...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would it not also be reasonable, in cases of very substantial disasters extending perhaps ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right. That was deployed in relation to the flooding in Cumbria.
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may give the noble Lord an example. It may not be as extensive as flooding, but a not unty...
Lord Freud | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) The obligations of the local authorities are centred on housing provision. There are a number of dut...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) At present, people can turn to discretionary crisis loans in such cases. I would feel more reassured...
Lord Freud | 732 c138GC (Link to this contribution) I will have to fall back on offering to write on that particular matter. I do not know exactly how w...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c139GC (Link to this contribution) So it would be entirely up to the county council as to how they distribute this money, if they distr...
Lord Freud | 732 c139-40GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the argument between the upper and lower tiers, yes. I will come back to the issue arou...
Lord Freud | 732 c140GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that the noble Baroness is very concerned about this issue and it may be that there...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 732 c140GC (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister also consider having talks with the Local Government Association, possibly in con...
Lord Freud | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am just pausing while I think about the reflection process. Can I ask my noble friend to...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Government are successful in their desire to open up the scheme more to pensioners,...
Lord Freud | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) Well, my Lords, local authorities will have to provide support for vulnerable people in their areas....
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry if I am being a little dense here. When the Minister says that local authorities will hav...
Lord Freud | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) Local authorities have a number of duties under which they are bound, and those are the duties to wh...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c141GC (Link to this contribution) Could we ask the Minister to provide us with a list of the duties and the statutory references to th...
Lord Freud | 732 c142GC (Link to this contribution) I would be highly delighted to provide that list of duties. The new national provision of payments o...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord also circulate to us in a letter what the future funding allocations will be by ...
Lord Freud | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to commit to that. If it is available at a reasonable price, I will do it but I...
Lord Freud | 732 c142-3GC (Link to this contribution) Picking up on the powerful point made by my noble friend Lord Kirkwood on the Independent Review Ser...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) But we also need to see the breakdown within those headings.
Lord Freud | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Baroness make it clear what breakdown she means? I think she meant by area.
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but the noble Lord has just given a commitment that this is not a fixed money measure and...
Lord Freud | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, the figure is £178 million per year, which I think is in the documentation, until the...
Lord Freud | 732 c146GC (Link to this contribution) I think I am going to be reduced to the letter.
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c145-6GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that, but that is certainly not how Women’s Aid sees it. It talks about i...
Lord Freud | 732 c145GC (Link to this contribution) I will make this absolutely clear. Where one gets help from in those circumstances is the responsibi...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c144-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his full response. Unless I missed it, I do not think he dealt with one ame...
Lord Freud | 732 c143-4GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that it is fixed for two years, which takes us to the end of this spending review. I t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) So it is declining in real terms. The second issue is how it is allocated among local authorities. W...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I think there are two issues. First, what is the total pot for the rest of the spending review? I th...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c99-100GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his helpful reply. I want to check with him about the question of...
Lord Freud | 732 c98-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with regard to the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, on how we could take it sl...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c97-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak but, listening to the debate, I think that the opposition expr...
Lord Freud | 732 c100GC (Link to this contribution) Let us not debate research none of us can remember. I will have a look at this and if I can provide ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect that that was research done for the department by Millar and Ridge. It absolutely did show...
Lord Freud | 732 c100GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot bring to mind a particular piece of research on that question, but I suspect that...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c100GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may pick up on the second part of the question asked by the noble Earl, Lord Lis...
Lord Freud | 732 c101GC (Link to this contribution) I think it would be good reason. As I have just said, if someone cannot find appropriate childcare i...
Baroness Sherlock | 732 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am so sorry, but in that case I need to clarify this. As I understood it, the question p...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c89GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have given notice that I intend to oppose that this clause stand part of the Bill in ord...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c90GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a quick question for the Minister. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, for ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 732 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment moved by my noble friend. I have not got a great deal to say on it. I ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c95-6GC (Link to this contribution) I had not planned to speak but I support the opposition to the clause standing part. It seems eminen...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c96-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am reminded of an article recently published on the BBC website reporting on a survey about childr...
Lord Freud | 732 c90-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this summer we increased conditionality for ESA claimants in the work-related activity gro...
Lord Skelmersdale | 732 c90GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these are all clearly very relevant questions, but I would like to ask the Minister whethe...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c93-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to Gingerbread for a briefing on this issue. It has asked us to raise this m...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c92GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. I am comforted that my concern was not so much about w...
Subjects
Childcare
Benefits rules
Carers
Academic year
Disasters
Housing benefit
Employment
Jobseeker's allowance
Domestic abuse
Drugs
Flexible working
Industrial injuries
Medical examinations
Pension credit
Low incomes
Misuse
Loans
Lone parents
Mothers
Scotland
Social security benefits
Rehabilitation
Social Fund
Welfare tax credits
Schools
Young people
Working hours
Wales
Work experience
Employment and support allowance
Universal credit
Legislation
Welfare Reform Bill 2010-12
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