Parliamentary search - Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

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729 c1338-96

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2010-12

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Home Office

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Third reading

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House of Lords chamber

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Lords amendments. Explanatory Notes Bill 225-EN also published.
Wednesday, 20 July 2011
Bills
House of Commons

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. As amended on report. (Lords Minutes).
Thursday, 14 July 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1341 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to interrupt someone with such long parliamentary experience, but I would be gr...

Lord Cormack | 729 c1341 (Link to this contribution) Like the famous Irishman, I would not have started from here. The truth of the matter is that on the...

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Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1341-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to hear that advice. My understanding of the problem is that essentially al...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1338 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 7, page 7, line 2, at end insert— ““(e) give the panel a response to any such report or re...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak to the government amendments in this group. The intention of Amendment 1 is to...

Lord Cormack | 729 c1340-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, has made some valid and important points. I remind the House th...

Lord Soley | 729 c1343-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in support of Amendment 3, and I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, becaus...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c1342-3 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend in her comments. The whole point of tabling the amendment was to try to pe...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1342 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does my noble friend agree that her amendment, which I certainly would not describe as inf...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c1342 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the instigator of that infamous amendment right at the beginning of the Committee stage...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 729 c1345 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for introducing this amendment. There never has been a time when it is more ...

Baroness Hilton of Eggardon | 729 c1344 (Link to this contribution) I, too, speak in support of Amendment 3. In earlier stages of the Bill I spoke about the dangers of ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 729 c1344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to this amendment out of consistency with what I have been saying at various...

Lord Beecham | 729 c1346-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the problem with the proposition advanced by the noble Lord, Lord Dear, is that the govern...

Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c1347 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friends on the Front Bench will be relieved to hear that I do not rise to support...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1385 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their concern about what happens to me when I go back to ...

Lord Soley | 729 c1383-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness speaks I wish to comment on and support both Amendment 9 in the ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1386 (Link to this contribution) 11: After Clause 101, insert the following new Clause— ““Report on necessity of creating offices as ...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1386 (Link to this contribution) I listened closely to what the Minister said and I have expressed my strong concerns. I was trying t...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1385-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, too. I turn to Amendment 10. I hope that the response of the Government to the very p...

Lord Ramsbotham | 729 c1385 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness.

Lord Rosser | 729 c1388 (Link to this contribution) We believe that the Government should support the amendment and justify their decision in a report t...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1388 (Link to this contribution) I very much support my noble friend's amendment. In the past few weeks, I have struggled hard to mas...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1386-8 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief because I know we want to return to Amendment 12 in the previous group. I can assure...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1390 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend decides what he wants to do, as the noble Baroness has rather jumpe...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1388-90 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 11 would require the Secretary of State to justify the need for police and crime commissio...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1393 (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 154, page 105, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) an order under section (Policing protocol);”...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1390-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is slightly strange to respond on the amendment after going through the normal courtesi...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1396 (Link to this contribution) 14: Schedule 10, page 149, line 6, leave out ““limitation of expenses”” and insert ““funding and exp...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1393 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the protocol is a vital matter. I fail to see why it should not be subject to an affirmati...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1396 (Link to this contribution) 16: Schedule 16, page 199, line 35, at end insert— ““106A In section 120 (acquisition of land compul...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1374 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill ensures that direction and control of the police force remains with the chief con...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1367 (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 63, page 41, line 29, leave out subsection (2) and insert— ““( ) The panel may only appoin...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution) 9: After Clause 79, insert the following new Clause— ““Policing protocol (1) The Secretary of State ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1370 (Link to this contribution) The answer is no. I have also been informed that the relevant provision is paragraph 199 of Schedule...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1370 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, I ask her to clarify whether the post of deputy will be a politically...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1369-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment, as with similar amendments at Report stage, seeks to secure the appointmen...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1369 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the last stage, both the noble Lord, Lord Boswell of Aynho, and I made rather impromptu...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1368 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we come to a matter which has been discussed both in Committee and on Report. This relates...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) We considered that because, as I have outlined, there is a structured consultation in respect of the...

Lord Soley | 729 c1374 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Baroness reconsider it being under the negative procedure rather than the affirmative...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 729 c1381 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are at Third Reading. We are dealing with a specific amendment. I ask the noble Barones...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c1379-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that my noble friend the Minister would be disappointed if I did not rise to suppo...

Lord Ramsbotham | 729 c1381-2 (Link to this contribution) I speak particularly to subsection (6) of the proposed new clause, which presents a very neat way ou...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c1381 (Link to this contribution) And finally, I cannot resist asking the Government why they have resisted making the protocol statut...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1375-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 10 is a very modest amendment, like some of the amendments we have had this morn...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1375 (Link to this contribution) 10: After Clause 79, line 37, at end insert— ““( ) The policing protocol must, in particular, provid...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1379 (Link to this contribution) I say to the noble Lord that what may appear as a private matter may have been caused by months of s...

Lord Wasserman | 729 c1379 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness really mean that if a chief officer resigns for domestic, private or health ...

Lord Soley | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not say that he was responsible. I indicated that he apparently supported the sugges...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, between us the noble Lord and I make a great team. I was concluding my remarks to my noble...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) I think that it has been cleared up. As printed, the Bill contains an error, because the wording of ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way; I did not pick up on this point. I would point out t...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move. Amendment 3 (to Amendment 2) Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 29, line 3, leave out ““supporting the effective exercise of the functions of the police a...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1367 (Link to this contribution) 6: Clause 59, page 39, line 15, leave out paragraphs (d) and (e) and insert— ““(d) about funding and...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1367 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend, and I think we should all be grateful to the Electoral Commission,...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1358-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a few minutes ago, the noble Baroness talked about the current system in London not workin...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1360 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, described his amendment as modest. I have often h...

Lord Rosser | 729 c1361 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Harris of Haringey stated, his amendment provides that no person s...

Lord Condon | 729 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I apologise for not being present at the start of the discussion. I was delayed on ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1362 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a key principle underlying the reforms outlined in the Bill is to hand over responsibility...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1362-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, suggested that I sometimes describe amendments as modest ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1366 (Link to this contribution) 5: Clause 59, page 39, line 13, leave out ““of political parties in connection with”” and insert ““o...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) I knew that I was going to provoke the noble Lord.

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Baroness Browning | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, is quite right, there is an elected mayor; but we are making some c...

Baroness O'Loan | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but will she explain, if she can, the inadequacies of the...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness and I have, in the course of our debates and deliberations, exchanged stats on va...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1349 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government are clearly reflecting on the events of the past few days—that is what the ...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1350 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister so early on, but will she not acknowledge that when the public ...

Lord Shipley | 729 c1348 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak in a moment on Amendments 2 and 3, but I would like to speak briefly to Amend...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak extremely briefly—I realise that we have had a good debate on this. I wish to...

Baroness O'Loan | 729 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. We have to revert to what is happeni...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) I understand that point and it is certainly something that we will look at in terms of regulations. ...

Lord Shipley | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) Is it the intention that regulations may be made to enable substitutes to attend meetings that are d...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) Did the noble Lord say 20 or 22?

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely puzzled. In my reading of the Bill as amended on Report, these words already appear. ...

Baroness Henig | 729 c1351 (Link to this contribution) I have listened with great care to what the Minister has been saying. However, given that more than ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is absolutely no guarantee that PCCs will necessarily be party politicians—although ...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1352-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask the Minister a question on that before she moves on. It may be another w...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1353 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend because I was about to turn to the amendment that she and my noble ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. However, the changes that she is introducing wil...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1351 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that I do not need to remind the noble Lord and the House that he is a Home Secr...

Lord Cormack | 729 c1342 (Link to this contribution) In turn, I am delighted to hear that. I am merely making a few remarks in the hope that my noble fri...

Lord Dear | 729 c1345-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that one should reflect on the fact that policing can be a very lonely business. I...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1370-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not claim my amendment is ideal but I am trying to put some safeguards into a Bill th...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to say a few words in support of this amendment. I find it completely incomprehensi...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c1358 (Link to this contribution) 4: After Clause 48, insert the following new Clause— ““Role of Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 29, page 22, line 16, at end insert— ““( ) The functions of the police and crime panel for...

Baroness Browning | 729 c1366-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 5, 6 and 7 change the powers of the Secretary of State to make secondary legisl...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1339-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I welcome the amendments that the noble Baroness has tabled. I have an amendment in...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1382-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have an amendment in this group. I thank the noble Baroness for bringing forward her ame...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution) The House would not want us to go into the details of the resignations of commissioners. What is cle...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c1354 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I will briefly respond to...

Subjects

Accountability

Crime

Audit

Compulsory purchase

Finance

Land

Elections

Greater London

Police

Powers

Public appointments

Political parties

Mayor of London

Political impartiality

Reform

Police and crime commissioners

Statutory instruments

Police and crime panels

Legislation

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12

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