Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Lords committee stage (tenth day). Clause 11 amendments considered.
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 18 January 2011,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
724 c335-56 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c335 (Link to this contribution)
That the House do now resolve itself into Committee.
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord McNally I beg to move that the House do now again resolv...
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Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c336 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I first associate myself with the remarks of the Leader in relation to the staff, who play...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c340 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not impossible to answer. The estimate that I gave of the number of existing seats that we...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 724 c340 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble and learned Lord give us any idea of roughly how many constituencies would be, so to s...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c336-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we agree with the principle of creating more equal-sized seats, but we have practical conc...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c336 (Link to this contribution)
63A: Clause 11, page 9, leave out lines 20 to 27 and insert—
““2 (1) No constituency shall have an e...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c340 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that it would. Perhaps I may write to the noble Lord with the figures in relation to ...
Lord Tyler | 724 c340 (Link to this contribution)
The second part the amendment of the noble and learned Lord, which is very interesting and I hope wi...
Baroness Hayman | 724 c340 (Link to this contribution)
I have to inform the Committee that if the amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 64 to 66...
Lord St John of Fawsley | 724 c341 (Link to this contribution)
I feel rather dismayed at the enthusiasm with which my suggestion has been achieved. Do not resist t...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c341-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support the amendment moved by my noble friend and to express my own gratitude f...
Lord St John of Fawsley | 724 c340-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in this new atmosphere of sweetness and light created by the shade of Matthew Arnold, perh...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c341 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the noble Lord, Lord St John of Fawsley, that my comments were not intended in any way to d...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl should know that, although I have changed parties, I have kept very much the same pol...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 724 c344 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope to establish a precedent by posing a direct question to the Minister. That would be...
Lord Crickhowell | 724 c342-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must apologise for not being in the Chamber when the noble and learned Lord began this d...
Earl of Onslow | 724 c346 (Link to this contribution)
If this is not an example of a filibuster, I do not know what is. Dillon and the people who objected...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c344-6 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my noble and learned friend on introducing the amendment with an analysis that was ex...
Lord Crickhowell | 724 c356 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble and learned friend for what he has said. I hope that h...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c356 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope the House will understand that there is not really much that I can add in response ...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c355 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely not. Indeed, the 10 per cent rule does not entirely avoid the contravening of county boun...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can answer the noble Lord before I give way to the noble Lord, Lord Pannick.
That leads t...
Lord Pannick | 724 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord give way?
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c349 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Reid, sets up and explains the competing issues quite succinctly. I am trying t...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 724 c349 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister recognise that in addressing one problem in a fair system—arithmetical equality, w...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
I perhaps misunderstood what I was being asked to do. I thought that I was being asked to give a com...
Lord Pannick | 724 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I am not asking the Minister to agree to it; I am asking whether he is prepared to consider it serio...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Tempting though it is to accede to that immediately, I cannot, standing here today, give that undert...
Lord Pannick | 724 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister recognise that there is concern on all sides of the House about the excessive rigi...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 724 c352 (Link to this contribution)
My experience is not related exclusively to Hackney, where I was born and brought up. Wherever peopl...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c351-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am tempted to be encouraged by the tone of the response from the noble and learned Lord, but I fea...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c352 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend speaks with feeling about the area that he knows and has served so well.
I do not w...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c352-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that the noble Earl thinks that. He is being a little too impatient, if I may say so. The...
Earl of Onslow | 724 c352 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has already gone quite far. He said that he will draw attention to it. Do we need what ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 724 c353 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not as if I had any intention of wishing to be included in that distinguished compan...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c353 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it may assist if I indicate the Opposition’s position. I am grateful for what the noble an...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the basis that the noble and learned Lord has signalled that he accepts the broad appro...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 724 c353-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I crave the indulgence of the Committee for two minutes to make one simple point to the Mi...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c354-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would not like your Lordships to think that I have not been sufficiently assiduous in my...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c355 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure whether I can still intervene on my noble friend before he sits down, but I put the po...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c347-8 (Link to this contribution)
If the House feels that that would be helpful, I certainly am willing to do so. This amendment, whic...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 724 c348 (Link to this contribution)
If the Minister is arguing that the amendment is not quite right, would it be possible to put forwar...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c347 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree and have already said several things along the lines of what my noble friend has ju...
Bishop of Chester | 724 c347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am something of a virginal creature when it comes to the conventions and procedures of t...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c349 (Link to this contribution)
This point may be what the noble Lord, Lord Reid, wanted to pick up on. I tried to indicate that we ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c349 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to draw the Committee’s attention to the fact that there are already within the Bill fa...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c349 (Link to this contribution)
Those criteria exist in the Bill, but they are all subject to the 5 per cent limit. That is our argu...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c346 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for his kind support. I come back to what the noble Earl,...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c347 (Link to this contribution)
We are having a very constructive debate on this amendment. I appeal to all my colleagues to conduct...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 724 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The illustration that my noble friend has given is absolutely apposite. What was being discussed thr...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c354 (Link to this contribution)
64: Clause 11, page 9, line 21, leave out ““95%”” and insert ““90%””
Lord Crickhowell | 724 c356 (Link to this contribution)
65A: Clause 11, page 9, line 22, at end insert—
““except in Wales where it shall be—
( ) no less tha...
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