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Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill

Legislative debate on Monday, 15 November 2010, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Falconer of Thoroton. The answering member was Lord McNally.
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Lords debate on a motion that the Bill be referred to the Examiners. Disagreed on division (210 to 224).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
722 c522-41 
Session
2010-12
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Renton of Mount Harry | 722 c524 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble and learned Lord tell us whether any other areas such as those that he mentioned, inc...
Lord Naseby | 722 c524 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble and learned Lord inform the House what exactly has changed since the Bill left the oth...

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Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c524 (Link to this contribution) No ruling has been given on hybridity by the other place and I would strongly urge this House not to...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c522 (Link to this contribution) Moved By To move that the Bill be referred to the Examiners.
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c522-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move the Motion standing in my name on the Order Paper to refer this Bill to the ...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 722 c527 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble and learned Lord explain the substantive difference between the two constituencies pre...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c526-7 (Link to this contribution) I withdraw the point. The noble Lord did not write a letter to my noble friend, but it was a bad poi...
Lord McNally | 722 c526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether the noble and learned Lord would correct a remark he made at the beginnin...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have cited the example of the Railways Act, which was a piece of legislation that dealt ...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c528 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it is not distinguished to be a close associate of the Labour Party, I withdraw it. Non...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 722 c528 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has declared an impossible standard as far as James Goudie is concerned. He is a dist...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I yield to no one in my affection for the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroto...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c527 (Link to this contribution) These two constituencies will never have to be connected to the mainland. Unlike the Isle of Wight o...
Lord Rennard | 722 c526 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the noble and learned Lord help the House by explaining the difference between the Bil...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) Mr Reid, who is the MP for the relevant area, has complained bitterly, as have the MPs for the Isle ...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c532 (Link to this contribution) Private or local; I am very happy with that as well. It is whether it affects it in a manner differe...
Lord Grocott | 722 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened to the Leader of the House many times when he was Leader of the Opposition and ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c533-4 (Link to this contribution) In a brief intervention some months ago, I acquired an entirely undeserved and unsought reputation f...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Is it not the case that the act of voting is an indi...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) The argument I am making, which is based on the Charlwood and Horley Bill from 1973, is that the int...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) Of course communities matter. I yield to no one on that view but we are talking here about the speci...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) Of course I am; that is my purpose. I am putting it in the way it should be put. To my mind, whateve...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 722 c530 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Leader of the House has made an assessment of how long the Examiners would take...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) Again, I point out to the House that yes, we are proud to be the biggest party at this moment in thi...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) But on that occasion, the noble and learned Lord did not have the support of the Clerks or my noble ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right, but he will also know that once the Bill was referred to a Selec...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c530-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that would be up to the Examiners, but, based on the precedent set earlier this summer, it...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the question before us is whether there is a case for the Bill to be hybrid and whether it...
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder if I could take a little heat out of what has just been said. Will the noble Lord...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 722 c531 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness aware that the Examiners to whom this Bill is to be sent are the Clerk of the ...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c530 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, years have gone by when we have not discussed these issues, either of hybridity or special...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 722 c530 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in respect of the Second Reading of the Public Bodies Bill, the House as a whole was debat...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c529 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there was no private interest affected in 1998 and there is no private interest affected t...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c529 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord could move his guns towards the argument. The reason for that is that the Sco...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) Not at all, my Lords. I have brought two qualitative arguments—those of the Clerks of the House of L...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c529 (Link to this contribution) We make it clear that we support those two being exceptions. The question is whether other people sh...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c528-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course I do not say that; nor do I think my remarks were ill-timed or misjudged. I was ...
Lord Goldsmith | 722 c528 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a QC. Is the noble Lord, for whom I have great respect, suggesting that the...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c529 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not only is my noble friend, like my noble friend Lord Rennard, right, but this relates to...
Lord Tyler | 722 c529 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble friend confirm that, whenever any legislation has referred to the Orkney and Shetland c...
Lord Alderdice | 722 c541 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Lord must understand that many of us did not choose to make the argu...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c541 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Alderdice, for not knowing what his arguments were, but as he di...
Lord Barnett | 722 c540 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord give way for a moment? As I understand it, it is only a matter of timing. The Bi...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c540 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Examiners decided that the Bill was not hybrid, that still could not stop 400 const...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c540-1 (Link to this contribution) I think that the mood of the House is that we should move to a vote on this matter, but perhaps I ma...
Lord Elton | 722 c540 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that it is our turn. I wonder whether the Front Benches consider that we have now ...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c540 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether many of the questions were put to me or to the noble and learned Lor...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 722 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may speak briefly. The reason that this Bill should go to the Examiners is that ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 722 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does my noble and learned friend agree that the Bill comes to us not only fresh but substa...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 722 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords will also know what happened to that Bill. There is still time for discussion:...
Lord Tyler | 722 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Baroness will recall that she was a member of the Government who bro...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 722 c538 (Link to this contribution) I will finish and give way in a moment, if I may. The short issue for the House is whether or not we...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 722 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having had the privilege of being in this House for 13 years, I say that this debate is on...
Lord Strathclyde | 722 c538 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Baroness is the shadow Attorney-General. She cannot say that this is a fresh, ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 722 c538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the reason I described the Bill as fresh and new is that with every other constitutional B...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 722 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) This matter turns on a very narrow and, indeed, very simple issue. I can put it in one sentence; it ...
Lord Goldsmith | 722 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that it is necessary for your Lordships' House even to go as far as that. I ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 722 c537 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may make two brief points. I had not intended to speak. Currently, I support the...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c537 (Link to this contribution) First of all, we gave a copy of the opinion to the noble Baroness, Lady D’Souza, and to the other si...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 722 c535 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble and learned Lord accept that the determination of the size of a constituency affects ...
Lord Beecham | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble and learned Lord turn to the question of locality? What does ““locality”” mean if not...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c534 (Link to this contribution) I am still on the question of whether the right to elect is a private right. That is the question. U...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c535 (Link to this contribution) I have already dealt with the threshold point. I accept and have always accepted that the threshold ...
Subjects
Constituency size
Constituencies
Alternative vote
General elections
Voting methods
Reform
Hybrid bills
Legislation
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill 2010-12
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