Energy Bill. Report stage. New clause 8 debated with new clauses 6, 15 and 25, and agreed to. New clause 9 debated with new clauses 10-13, 2, 18, 21 and 22, agreed to except new clause 18. New clause 15 negatived on division (244 to 252). New clause 18 negatived on division (63 to 271). Amendments passed and new schedule 1 added. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and Bill passed with amendments.
Energy Bill
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Parliamentary proceeding
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506 c329-413 
Session
2009-10
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Energy Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 7-EN also published.
Thursday, 19 November 2009
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 19 November 2009
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House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lembit Opik | 506 c406 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously it is important for the Bill to be passed in the House of Commons, but does the Secretary ...
Ed Miliband | 506 c406-8 (Link to this contribution)
I admire the hon. Gentleman's characteristic ingenuity in inserting a question about the transport o...
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Greg Clark | 506 c408-10 (Link to this contribution)
I would love to say what I think should be in this Bill, but I think that you would prevent me from ...
Simon Hughes | 506 c410-2 (Link to this contribution)
May I join the Secretary of State and his Conservative opposite number in paying tribute to all thos...
William Cash | 506 c412 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened to the hon. Member for North Southwark and Bermondsey (Simon Hughes), but I must say...
David Heath | 506 c412-3 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make a small contribution to Third Reading. First, I welcome the Bill. The Government are ...
Ed Miliband | 506 c413 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Martin Horwood | 506 c353 (Link to this contribution)
I might have lost track of some of the questions in that intervention, but broadly speaking I think ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c353-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have made it absolutely clear today that we agree with the independent Committee on Climate Change...
Martin Horwood | 506 c353 (Link to this contribution)
I hate to say it, but I think that the hon. Gentleman is misunderstanding how a market works. Constr...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c353 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman accept that investment decisions are not just about whether we build new thi...
Martin Horwood | 506 c353 (Link to this contribution)
I happily give way to a fellow member of the Environmental Audit Committee.
Desmond Turner | 506 c353 (Link to this contribution)
There is one flaw in the argument about the signals for investment that an EPS can provide. If we ar...
Martin Horwood | 506 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but I need to make some progress.
There are signals from other sources that the current...
Martin Horwood | 506 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but I cannot keep taking interventions. I must at least reply to the point made by the h...
John Robertson | 506 c352 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Martin Horwood | 506 c351 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes an important point. That is an issue that might in the end lead to de...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c351-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman clearly misunderstands the committee's report. It has argued that we need to indi...
Martin Horwood | 506 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to disagree with the Minister, but I do not think that that clear signal is being given a...
John Robertson | 506 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether I necessarily agree that the Conservatives understand business. They certainly...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c350 (Link to this contribution)
That is a recipe for uncertainty.
Martin Horwood | 506 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
I join the hon. Member for Wealden (Charles Hendry) in giving credit to the Secretary of State and t...
John Redwood | 506 c351 (Link to this contribution)
How serious do the Liberal Democrats think the possible shortage after 2016 will be, given the numbe...
Gavin Strang | 506 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with most of what my hon. Friend says, but the standards will not be set in stone. They will...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c347 (Link to this contribution)
Not at all—if the hon. Gentleman had been listening, he would have heard me give that quotation in f...
Charles Hendry | 506 c347 (Link to this contribution)
I hope the Minister will tell me that that was an oversight.
Gavin Strang | 506 c349 (Link to this contribution)
That is an interesting point, but I will not respond directly to the right hon. Gentleman because I ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 506 c349 (Link to this contribution)
If we follow the right hon. Gentleman's argument on new clause 25, having a set date by which compan...
John Redwood | 506 c349 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the Government must have targets and standards in order to ...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Is my right hon. Friend confident that within a year we can correctly define the emissions to a targ...
Gavin Strang | 506 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I am not knocking new clause 25, and I will be interested to hear what the hon. Gentleman and others...
Charles Hendry | 506 c345 (Link to this contribution)
I will make a bit of progress, and then of course I will give way to the Minister when she has heard...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c345 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making the case that industry requires certainty, so I invite him to provide u...
Charles Hendry | 506 c345-6 (Link to this contribution)
What companies have told us is that they are concerned about an EPS that is too high and that would ...
Desmond Turner | 506 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman's remarks about giving the market a clear signal would carry some weight if such ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right, but we were determined not to put that figure in the Bill, because that...
David Anderson | 506 c346 (Link to this contribution)
One of the points made by people who prefer the market approach is that the market is better than th...
Colin Challen | 506 c346 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is a highly respected member of the Energy and Climate Change Committee, but on t...
Charles Hendry | 506 c346 (Link to this contribution)
Markets work better if people understand the framework within which they are investing. If a big clo...
Charles Hendry | 506 c347 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great shame that Tim Webb did not check the story with us before he wrote it, as we could ha...
John Redwood | 506 c364-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Nottingham, South (Alan Simpson) has made a spirited contribution. I feel equall...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 506 c363 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we have been down this road before with sulphur dioxide? There wa...
Alan Simpson | 506 c363 (Link to this contribution)
That is quite wrong. We have to say that if someone is going to build a new coal-fired power station...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c363 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that we agree on something. Will my hon. Friend concede that we are not clear not onl...
Alan Simpson | 506 c362-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly the point. As the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. Redwood) said earlier, if the...
Martin Horwood | 506 c368 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman raises an important issue. Does he accept, however, that there is plenty of scien...
Colin Challen | 506 c368 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Nottingham, South (Alan Simpson) on his excellent work....
John Redwood | 506 c365-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right that I have consistently wanted far less regulation that the Government ...
Colin Challen | 506 c365 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that the right hon. Gentleman at one point in his career had something to do with deregula...
Alan Simpson | 506 c360 (Link to this contribution)
Let me finish my little opening rant first.
In response to those who say that setting standards wou...
Robert Smith | 506 c359 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Alan Simpson | 506 c360 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, and we could broaden that point. The same sort of debate took place in California when t...
Robert Smith | 506 c360 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman's little rant has reminded me of a point that was made to me by people working in...
Alan Simpson | 506 c359 (Link to this contribution)
I intend to speak primarily about new clauses 6, 15 and 25. I shall seek to press new clause 15 to a...
Mike Weir | 506 c362 (Link to this contribution)
Is there not another issue? The Minister has said that the difference for investment in this country...
Alan Simpson | 506 c361 (Link to this contribution)
No, the truth is that we must accept that we have what we have today; we cannot turn the technology ...
Colin Challen | 506 c361 (Link to this contribution)
I am thoroughly enjoying this rant. My hon. Friend may wish to cite examples of established technolo...
Alan Simpson | 506 c361-2 (Link to this contribution)
That was one of my misgivings about the compromise that we reached on new clause 15—I always say to ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c358 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman knows that my argument is that those same amending provisions totally undermine t...
Martin Horwood | 506 c357-8 (Link to this contribution)
I have to say that that is one of the vaguest and most non-committal statements that we could expect...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c357 (Link to this contribution)
The truth is that I said repeatedly in my earlier remarks that the reporting regime would begin with...
Martin Horwood | 506 c357 (Link to this contribution)
I notice that the Minister has not replied to my first question.
Martin Horwood | 506 c358 (Link to this contribution)
Let me again cite the IEA greenhouse gas R & D programme. The hon. Gentleman will have to forgive my...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c358 (Link to this contribution)
Notwithstanding all his bluster, can the hon. Gentleman name a single coal capture station project i...
Martin Horwood | 506 c358 (Link to this contribution)
When we are discussing an investment designed to achieve a certain goal, it is easy enough to say th...
Speaker | 506 c359 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The Front-Bench speeches have taken just over an hour and a half, and we are still dealing wi...
Martin Horwood | 506 c359 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but I will not give way again. I have already given way many times; I have been very tol...
Martin Horwood | 506 c354 (Link to this contribution)
Except that we have a range of options based on emissions performance standards that absolutely woul...
Brian Binley | 506 c354 (Link to this contribution)
May I take the hon. Gentleman back a little? Has he talked to industry about investment in this area...
Martin Horwood | 506 c354-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that that refutes my point—that businesses never set out to regulate themselves—but a...
Martin Horwood | 506 c355 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way for the last time, because I really ought to leave time for other Members to make sp...
Martin Horwood | 506 c355-6 (Link to this contribution)
That calculation is realistic, given that the current technologies in many places are already delive...
Colin Challen | 506 c355 (Link to this contribution)
I have a short question. I just want to know what the basis for that calculation is. How does it tie...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c356 (Link to this contribution)
I would be happy to accept the hon. Gentleman's invitation. The information on the competition will ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 506 c373 (Link to this contribution)
I totally support the idea that we should incentivise our coal industry, provided that we have the t...
Brian Binley | 506 c372 (Link to this contribution)
I fully appreciate the hon. Gentleman's knowledge in this field and his support for this project. We...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c372-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am with the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. Redwood) on this. Like him, I want to see British...
Gavin Strang | 506 c369 (Link to this contribution)
That was not my intention. Obviously, we would have a whole year to work it out and, with all the ad...
Colin Challen | 506 c369 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely accept the urgency of this. I want an EPS to be in place at some point in the not too dis...
Colin Challen | 506 c368-9 (Link to this contribution)
There is a great deal of truth in what the hon. Gentleman says. However, even with the small, state-...
Brian Binley | 506 c370-1 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a fascinating debate about whether we should have performance standards, and there is ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 506 c371 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman. The Minister was right to say that the Bill tries to...
Martin Horwood | 506 c369 (Link to this contribution)
This is hopelessly unambitious. The Norwegian projects at Sleipner and Snøhvit have been injecting 1...
Colin Challen | 506 c369-70 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, what has been amiss? Why does every country not have this standard right now, fully im...
Speaker | 506 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I was told by the previous occupant of the Chair that there would be a request for that vote, and I ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c385 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Simon Hughes | 506 c384 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. We understand, of course, the sequence of votes and debat...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c377-8 (Link to this contribution)
I take my hon. Friend's point, but we are debating real amendments before us, which would have a rea...
Alan Simpson | 506 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right that that might be a problem with new clause 15. However, he should bear in ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c381-4 (Link to this contribution)
The quotes that we have seen and the conversations that we have had with the companies have all been...
Charles Hendry | 506 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister confirm that she was saying just a little while ago that the Government themselves...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon (Mr. Anderson) for a superb Third Reading speech; I am...
David Anderson | 506 c378-81 (Link to this contribution)
It is impossible for us to conduct this debate without understanding the background: what is actuall...
Ed Miliband | 506 c406 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Third time.
I thank Members for their contributions sinc...
Ed Miliband | 506 c406 (Link to this contribution)
I want to deal with the main aspects of the Bill briefly, in view of the time and because other Memb...
Speaker | 506 c385-6 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Lord Deben | 506 c389 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened very carefully to the Minister, and, having some experience of listening to civil se...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c386-9 (Link to this contribution)
With the exception of Government amendments 27 and 28, these amendments relate to the notification p...
Simon Hughes | 506 c390-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am conscious that we have 13 minutes left as we begin the second of five groups of new clauses, ne...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c389-90 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I should regret having given way to the right hon. Gentleman. I was about to say that I am h...
Lord Deben | 506 c392-3 (Link to this contribution)
I have no particular angst about the profits of energy companies. They ought to make profits, and I ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c392 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Member for North Southwark and Bermondsey (Simon Hughes) said, it is sad that we will no...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c377 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that my hon. Friend conceded that point in response to my earlier intervention. That seems...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I will check the hon. Gentleman's words on the record, but for now I am delighted that he has accept...
Mike Weir | 506 c374-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Sherwood (Paddy Tipping). I agreed with much of what he s...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c376-7 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friends the Members for Sherwood (Paddy Tipping) and for Morley and Rothwell (C...
Martin Horwood | 506 c373-4 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously, as we have discussed at length, there is no existing large-scale CCS on a coal-fired powe...
Speaker | 506 c374 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I say that the amount of time left is diminishing? Perhaps the hon. Member for Cheltenham...
Martin Horwood | 506 c374 (Link to this contribution)
That is not what I said. There already are demonstration projects, including Schwarze Pumpe and anot...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c373 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that there will be a subsidy on coal. It is clear that coal costs have been driven do...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c344 (Link to this contribution)
Everything that I have said today about the rolling review and the reporting clause in new clause 8 ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c344 (Link to this contribution)
A company that is allocating hundreds of millions or billions of pounds to new projects must look at...
John Redwood | 506 c344 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend the shadow Minister, who has, not surprisingly, made a much more con...
Charles Hendry | 506 c344 (Link to this contribution)
As always in such matters, my right hon. Friend is absolutely correct. What we have is an extremely ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c343 (Link to this contribution)
I have made it absolutely clear today that we are providing for CCS to become operational, and that ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c343-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand what the Minister is saying. Key decisions will be made by E.ON in Essen about whether ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c345 (Link to this contribution)
One concern is that the Bill states that the levy may in due course be used for retrofitting. It doe...
Mike Weir | 506 c345 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman assumes that a change in Government policy would mean the introduction of an EPS ...
Charles Hendry | 506 c344-5 (Link to this contribution)
I have great respect for the hon. Gentleman, but there is a fundamental difference here. We are talk...
Alan Whitehead | 506 c344 (Link to this contribution)
As far as I recall, the hon. Gentleman supported the mechanism that was contained in the carbon budg...
John Robertson | 506 c339 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that setting a target that is too low would have the same effect as settin...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c339 (Link to this contribution)
I could not have put it better myself, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend, because the question is ...
Judy Mallaber | 506 c340 (Link to this contribution)
It would clearly be advantageous if, by developing that technology, we could then assist other count...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I know how much expertise he has in this field. I remind the...
Charles Hendry | 506 c341 (Link to this contribution)
As we start out deliberations on Report, it is appropriate that we put on the record our general gra...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c340-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Given the extent to which the developing economies and the great...
Charles Hendry | 506 c341-2 (Link to this contribution)
I would not go that far, but we are grateful for the way in which the Government listened to many of...
Charles Hendry | 506 c342-3 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is entirely right. We seem to have a new Ministry every year, and a review, White...
Simon Hughes | 506 c342 (Link to this contribution)
I do not dissent from the specific point that the hon. Gentleman is making. However, would not an ev...
Martin Horwood | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way again. She questioned the scale of existing CCS project...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
From a sedentary position, the hon. Member for Tunbridge Wells (Greg Clark) says that we should get ...
Martin Horwood | 506 c335 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way on that point?
Greg Clark | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
Get on with it, then.
Joan Ruddock | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more with the hon. Gentleman. I am so glad to see such support on the Opposition B...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
No, as I need to move on a little. I have a lot to say and I regret that it may take me a little whi...
John Robertson | 506 c336 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the EPS could scupper the whole carbon capture project? The fact that...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c336 (Link to this contribution)
At the moment, I cannot answer that question, but I can tell my hon. Friend that, in devising the sc...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c337-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry. Perhaps I did not respond sufficiently to my hon. Friend the Member for Blaydon (Mr. And...
John Redwood | 506 c337 (Link to this contribution)
I know the Minister does not have detailed figures, but surely she must have some idea of the relati...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c337 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will have to answer questions about the level at which the standard would be set,...
Greg Clark | 506 c337 (Link to this contribution)
Remove the uncertainty.
Joan Ruddock | 506 c337 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend suggests that we set a level and says that no level is set in the new clauses. ...
Gavin Strang | 506 c337 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government would be capable of setting a level—obviously, no leve...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c336-7 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend anticipates me. I have just said that the introduction of an EPS now would not lead t...
Colin Challen | 506 c339 (Link to this contribution)
It would help me in the debate to understand better whether the Government are concerned about the t...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c338-9 (Link to this contribution)
This country would not have got very far in its development over the industrial ages if the attitude...
Martin Horwood | 506 c338 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady repeatedly uses words such as "expect" and "aim". That is what fuels the scepticism of...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c332 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman understands that we have an energy mix and a privatised ener...
Mike Weir | 506 c332 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister might be about to come on to this point. I note that new clause 8 mentions the need to ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c331-2 (Link to this contribution)
First, let me say that the document is not central to the features of the Bill. When my hon. Friend ...
John Redwood | 506 c332 (Link to this contribution)
How many new power stations do we need to commence building this year to avoid the risk of the light...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c332 (Link to this contribution)
It is very important to answer the hon. Gentleman's question in context. If he will permit me, I sha...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c330 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 506 c330-1 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Simon Hughes | 506 c329 (Link to this contribution)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I endorse the point made by the hon. Member for ...
Speaker | 506 c329 (Link to this contribution)
Mr. Speaker is always anxious that all the documents necessary for a debate should be available befo...
Martin Horwood | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister agree with the International Energy Agency Greenhouse Gas R&D Programme that""ther...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to contradict what I am sure is an excellent report—indeed, I might not contradict it, as...
Bob Spink | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will have seen the report of the Select Committee on Science and Technology on CCS and ...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that question. I know that he, too, takes a great interest in these m...
Brian Binley | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise the wisdom of the hon. Member for Sherwood (Paddy Tipping), but also the need for balanc...
Colin Challen | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I was a second ahead, but I am sure that my hon. Friend the Minister will take both int...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
Knowing how deep an interest my hon. Friend takes in these matters, I am afraid that I cannot answer...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend demonstrates real understanding of and wisdom on this issue. As I continue with my re...
Charles Hendry | 506 c329 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You will be aware that fuel poverty and energy efficiency a...
Charles Hendry | 506 c347-8 (Link to this contribution)
I have to say that more MPs will have read her letter than heard her speech. Looking at the number w...
Brian Binley | 506 c354 (Link to this contribution)
Let me ask the hon. Gentleman to answer my question again, bearing in mind that my Front-Bench colle...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I take that point, and I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman has acknowledged at last that there is...
David Anderson | 506 c336 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give the House some idea of what the financial liability will be for taxpayers and...
Colin Challen | 506 c355 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Alan Whitehead | 506 c361 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am greatly enjoying my hon. Friend's presentation. If it is his intention that new clause 15...
Martin Horwood | 506 c354 (Link to this contribution)
I have lost count of the number of private companies that I have talked to in my role as shadow Envi...
Joan Ruddock | 506 c334 (Link to this contribution)
Unfortunately, I do not have to hand the document to which the hon. Gentleman is referring. Although...
Paddy Tipping | 506 c333 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister believe that we need to be really honest with people and say that CCS has real pot...
David Heath | 506 c413 (Link to this contribution)
I see the Secretary of State nodding, and I am most grateful for his assertion that he would be will...
Gavin Strang | 506 c350 (Link to this contribution)
Well, it is less uncertain than zero standards. We are responding too kindly to the understandable p...
Gavin Strang | 506 c348-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is worth registering that there is an overwhelming consensus in the House that we need to take ef...
Alan Simpson | 506 c363-4 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. That is precisely the point that the Climate Change Committee made to us: we need a step...
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